EFTA00064194

1 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: BY: DIGITALLY RECORDED WITNESS: SWORN STATEMENT OF OTHER APPEARANCES: OIG CASE #: NONE 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 3 4 1 MR. The recorder has started. 1 wain, I am DOJ/OIC Senior Special Agent, 2 My name is , and I am a Senior 2 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 3 : I am Assistant Special Agent- 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New 4 in-Charge, . . 5 York Field Office, and these are my 5 MR. • 6 credentials. 6 Electronics tech. Bureau of Prisons. . 7 MR. : Okay. I see them. 7 . 8 MR. : This interview with 8 MR. : This is Special Agent 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, 9 10 is being conducted as part of an 10 MR. All right. Thank you. 11 official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of 11 This is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into 12 the Inspector General, or DOJ/OIG 12 the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the 13 investigation. Today's date is September 29th, 13 surrounding circumstances, and you are being 14 2021. And the time is 8:16 a.m. This 14 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 15 interview is being conducted at the OIG New 15 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 16 York Field Office, located at 1 Battery Park 16 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 17 Plaza, New York, New York. Also present is 17 MR. : Yes. 18 DOJ/OIG ASAC or Assistant Special Agent-in- 18 MR. : Thank you, sir. So, this 19 Charge, . He is in person. And 19 is the official Warnings and Assurances to 20 Special Agent is joining us by 20 Employees Requested to Provide Information on a 21 telephone. He is also with the DOJ/OIG. This 21 Voluntary Basis. And in this line, I'm i, 22 interview will be recorded b me, Senior 22 to say, this investigation pertains to, , 23 Special Agent . Could 23 it's job performance failure and security 24 everyone please identify themselves for the 24 failure, correct? 25 record, and spell their last name? To start, 25 MR. : Yes. EFTA00064194 6 1 MR. : Job performance failure. 1 kind has been used against me." 2 All right. So, it says, United States 2 So, take a look. If you understand it, 3 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 3 and are agreeing, and are willing to continue, 4 General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees 4 can you just please sign where it says employee 5 Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary 5 signature? Thank you very much for signing. 6 Basis. "You are being asked to provide 6 DO you understand the form? 7 information as part of an investigation being 7 MR. Mm-hmm. Yes, I do. 8 conducted by the Office of the Inspector 8 MR. : Okay. Do you understand 9 General. This investigation is being conducted 9 this is a voluntary interview? 10 pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, 10 MR.Mi Yes. 11 as amended. This investigation pertains to job 11 MR. : Perfect. Thank you. 12 performance failure and security failure. This 12 Okay. Today's date, again, is September 29th. 13 is a voluntary interview. 13 So, I'm writing 09/29/21. The place is OIG, 14 Accordingly, you do not have to answer 14 MYFO. And the time is 8:19 a.m. And I am 15 questions. No disciplinary action will be 15 signing my name as the Special Agent. ASAC 16 taken against you if you choose not to answer 16 can ou sign as a witness, please? 17 questions. Any statement you furnish may be 17 : Mm-hmm. 18 used as evidence in any future criminal 18 MR. : Thank you, sir. 19 proceedings, or agency disciplinary 19 Thank you. 20 proceedings, or both." And there is a waiver 20 MR. : All right. Before 21 section. And it says, "I understand the 21 starting the interview, I would like to place 22 Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am 22 you under oath. Mr. , can you please 23 willing to make a statement and answer 23 raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell 24 questions. No promises or threats have been 24 the truth and nothing but the truth -- 25 made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any 25 MR. : Yes. 7 8 1 MR. • -- during this interview? 1 MR. : No. Great. Is it 2 MR. Yes. 2 correct that the MCC cameras were not working 3 MR. : Thank you, sir. Again, 3 properly m ini J •ust 2019? 4 it's a voluntary interview, if you don't 4 MR. : Yeah. Well, the recorders 5 understand any of my questions, please ask me 5 wasn't working. The cameras were working. The 6 to rephrase. 6 recorders weren't working. 7 MR. Yeah. 7 MR. : So, the live feed was 8 MR. : Or ask for any 8 working, but the recordings were not. 9 clarification. I would be happy to provide it. 9 MR.a Yes. 10 Were you previously interviewed by the OIG at 10 MR. : Correct. When did you 11 the MCC on Jul 15th, 2019? 11 first learn that the MCC cameras were not 12 MR. • Yes. 12 working pia" 13 MR. : Great. And that was by 13 MR. : That day. This was, I 14 me and Special A ent . Correct? 14 believe, that day. Towards the end of my 15 MR. : Yes. 15 shift. I'm not sure what time. 16 MR. : Great. Is it correct 16 MR. : So, you still think it 17 that the MCC camera -. Or sorry. Before I go 17 was August 9th, 2019, that you learned? 18 on that, are ou still at the MCC? 18 MR. Yes. 19 MR. : Yes, I am. 19 MR. : After giving it some 20 MR. : Are you still the 20 thought, do you think maybe it happened the day 21 electronics technician? 21 before, oiliiiiiii8th, 2019? 22 MR.Mi Yes, I am. 22 MR. : I don't know if I spoke to 23 MR. : Great. Has anything 23 somebody. I don't know why it would be the 24 changed since we spoke on July 15th, 2019? 24 8th. 25 MR. : No. 25 MR. All right. When we go EFTA00064195 9 10 1 over the reports, we will see if that can help 1 MR. : Yeah. There was a lot of 2 freshen, you know, help you recall. First, 2 things going on. But I remember the 9th 3 we're just going to ask you some questions for, 3 because everything happened the next day. 4 like, you know, so you can, from memory, recall 4 MR. Okay. 5 exactly -- 5 MR. On Saturday. 6 MR. Mi l What happened. 6 MR. And are you aware, now, 7 MR. : -- when it was, and then 7 after the fact, that the cameras stopped 8 we will go over the reports, and see if that 8 recording on Jul 29th, 2019? 9 helps jog anything. But to your recollection, 9 MR. : No. 10 it was on Au ust 9th, 2019? 10 MR. : So, you're not aware of 11 MR. : Yes. 11 that? 12 MR. : And what is -- 12 MR. : No. Nobody. It's the 13 MR. : It was that Friday. 13 first time somebod has told me that. 14 MR. • -- what is it that makes 14 MR. : Okay. So, by reviewing 15 you think that it was on that Friday? 15 the recording system, or anything like that, 16 MR. : Because that's when I went 16 you didn't learn that they stopped on July 17 to the room. That's the only thing I really 17 29th? 18 remember. Because it was a lot of hours after 18 MR. : No. The recorders were 19 that. 19 still working. Because the recorders were 20 MR. : Okay. 20 still working for the building. All the -. 21 MR. That day. 21 Not all the cameras were working, but some of 22 MR. So, it was just -- 22 the recorders were working. (Indiscernible 23 MR. : Yeah. 23 *00:06:26iiIIIIIIII 24 MR. • -- it was a lot of things 24 MR. : So, when we spoke last 25 going on. 25 time, you explained to us that on, like, August 11 12 1 9th, is when you first noticed it, and that 1 MR. MI -- the last video? 2 half of the cameras, or -- 2 MR. : -- yeah, this is the first 3 MR. : Half of them was on -- 3 time I heard that was July. 4 MR. . -- half the cameras on -- 4 MR. Okay. 5 MR. -- DVR-1. 5 MR. Yeah. 6 MR. DVR-1, and half were 6 MR. So, when is the first 7 on DVR-2. 7 time you found out, then, that the recordings 8 MR. DVR-2. 8 were, in fact not working? 9 MR. And one of the, one of 9 MR. IIIIIIIII: When I went to go try to 10 those DVRs, which included half of the cameras 10 fix it on that Friday. 11 11 MR. : Okay. On the 9th? 12 MR. Cameras. 12 MR. : Yeah. 13 MR. -- they stopped -- 13 MR. : Okay. But on the 9th, 14 MR. Yeah. Stopped working. 14 did you -. I thought you had told us you 15 MR. -- working. 15 couldn't gain access to it on the 9th. So, 16 MR. Yeah. 16 when did you actually gain access to the room, 17 MR. So, what is your 17 to be able to -- 18 knowledge or recollection of when those half of 18 MR. : I went up there -- 19 cameras -? 19 MR. -- determine -? 20 MR. : I don't know when those 20 MR. : -- in the afternoon, to_22 21 half the cameras stopped working? 21 do work. They said I couldn't stay because III 22 MR. : So, when you were trying 22 had to leave, so the video room. 23 to obtain video after the fact, you never 23 MR. Okay. 24 learned, like when they're -- 24 MR. Yeah. 25 MR. : This is the first time -- 25 MR. So, III had to leave, so EFTA00064196 13 14 1 you couldiiiiiiiiito do the work? 1 MR. a I don't recall. 2 MR. : Yeah. I couldn't stay to 2 MR. : -- with 3 do the work, because I don't have a key, I 3 7 4 don't have access to the room. Because it's 4 MR. : No. 5 the propeiiiiiiiiii 5 MR. : No. Or III MI? The 6 MR. : And when you say "they," 6 7 who was it that told you this? 7 MR. I don't remember. 8 MR. : I was talking to Officer 8 MR. No. Okay. So, you don't 9 I. But it's no -. Everybody knows that SIS, 9 remember learning that, on July 29th, 2019, the 10 that's their room, and I don't have access to 10 cameras sto ed recording? 11 go in the room. At the time, I didn't have 11 MR. : This is the first time -- 12 access to fix the recorders. 12 MR. : From (Indiscernible 13 MR. Okay. Did you ever talk 13 *00:08:19). 14 to a 14 MR. Mi -- I heard it. 15 MR. That day? 15 MR. : That's the very first 16 MR. : Any day, about these 16 time you heard? 17 recordings. 17 MR. : That it was July. Yeah. 18 MR. : Yeah. I've talked to 18 MR. : Okay. 19 people numerous times about me getting access 19 MR. : Because that's, like, two 20 to the room, that I should have access to the 20 weeks out, I wouldn't - not know it was 21 room. 21 recording for two weeks. That doesn't make any 22 MR. : No, I'm talking about, 22 sense. 23 like, on August 8th or August 9th, about the 23 MR. : Okay. So, you don't 24 cameras. Do you recall having a conversation - 24 think that that would be accurate? 25 25 MR. : No. 15 16 1 MR. All right. Do you know 1 and IIII, about the cameras not 2 what stopiiiiiiiiifrom recording? 2 recording on Au ust 8th, 2019? On Thursday? 3 MR. : I just know that the 3 MR. : No. I don't recall. 4 system wal_21ils_mil it had a lot of problems. 4 MR. : You don't. Do you 5 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. Do you know if remember them, towards the end of your shift, 6 someone did, like, an improper shutdown, or 6 bringing you in the office because they 7 that poweiliiiiiiireated it to shut off? 7 couldn't get the recordings to rewind, and 8 MR. : They were on UPSs, and no 8 asked you to fix the problem? 9 power surge that would have created it. It 9 MR. : On the 8th? 10 would have just been mechanical. 10 MR. • On the 8th. 11 MR. Okay. 11 MR. Hmm. I don't recall that. 12 MR. Or, yeah, yeah. 12 No. 13 MR. : Just from age? 13 MR. Do you remember having - 14 MR. : Just from age, and wear 14 at any time - a conversation prior to E stein's 15 and tear. Yes. 15 il2/h. with , with SIS 16 MR. Okay. And again, on 16 and 17 August 8th, you don't recall ever having 17 MR. : Together? At the same 18 conversations with anybody regarding these 18 time? No. I don't recall it. Yeah. 19 cameras, or first learning on August 8th that 19 MR. What about separately? 20 the cameras went down? 20 MR. : Separately, probably. We 21 MR. : August 8th? The day 21 probably talked about it. But not together. 22 before? I don't really recall (Indiscernible 22 At the same time. 23 *00:09:09iiIIIIIIII 23 MR. : Well, do you recall the 24 MR. : And you don't recall 24 conversations that you had, then, prior to 25 having the conversation with SIS 25 Epstein dying on the - or being found - on the EFTA00064197 17 18 1 10th. What conversations did you have with 1 MR. Can you spell the first 2 each of those individuals? 2 and last name? 3 MR. : Right. I was just busy 3 MR. IIII. And 4 working. On the 10th, the day it happened, or 4 5 -? 5 MR. And did you say 6 MR. No. Prior to the 10th. 6 7 So, the 8th, the 9th, or anywhere back to the 7 MR. : II Yes. That's an 8 July 29thi_1±211/L 8 1. Yeah 9 MR. IIIIIIIII: Oh. That we were working 9 MR. or -? 10 o the problem, trying to figure out what was 10 MR. Yeah. 11 causing it, and that's when I ordered new hard 11 MR. So, no 12 drives to replace all the drives. That was my 12 MR. • Noll 13 next step. That's what I was going to do that 13 MR. : Okay. 14 day. But I couldn't. 14 MR. And that's an II 15 MR. : And what made you do 15 MR. And that was the CSM? 16 that, though? Who told you to replace the hard 16 MR. : YuL 17 drives? 17 I'm sorry. And it's anl. Not an At the 18 MR. : Talking_slircigah SigNet, 18 end. 19 and the former com tech, IIIIIIIIII, he's the 19 MR. • All right. So, 20 computer services manager and we talked about 20 21 buying hard drives. I actually got a purchase 21 MR. Yes. 22 order, too. Yeah. 22 MR. Okay. Great. And who 23 MR. So, who was the computer 23 was that kao ? 24 service mai 24 MR. : He was the previous com 25 MR. • 25 tech before I got there, and now, he was - at 19 20 1 that present time - he was the computer 1 all the hard drives. 2 services mana er. 2 MR. : And do you remember when 3 MR. • He was? 3 you had that conversation? 4 MR. Yes. 4 MR. : A few days before this 5 MR. • Okay. So, he was 5 happened. And we've had numerous conversations 6 actually workin at the MCC? 6 about this for weeks because - and probably 7 MR. : Yes. 7 months - because of the way the hard drives 8 MR. And he was your boss? 8 kept failing. The drives would, the recorders 9 MR. : No. It's just, I talked 9 would stop working. 10 to him about computer stuff, because he knows a 10 MR. : So, did you know, then, a 11 little bit more than I do. That's his 11 few days before this? I'm assuming, when you 12 specialty. 12 say "this," August 9th, 2019, that the hard 13 MR. : Okay. What was his kind 13 drives had failed? 14 of, like,iol e at the time? 14 MR. : I knew it was a 15 MR. : His job role was to take 15 possibility they failed. At the time, or the 16 care of the computers. Infrastructure of the 16 before I left I knew everything was working. 17 building. 17 MR. : Before you left when? 18 MR. Okay. 18 MR. : I'm not too sure, but I'm 19 MR. Yeah. 19 just saying, like, overall, as far as, like, as 20 MR. : And what was the 20 far as everything recording, because I've 21 conversation with him, and where? 21 checked the recorders. It looked like 22 MR. : I think, that's when we 22 everythingiiiiiiirding. 23 were talking about actually just replacing all 23 MR. : What day are you speaking 24 of the hard drives because they keep failing 24 about, thou h? 25 all the time. So, the next step was to replace 25 MR. : Oh, specifically, before EFTA00064198 21 22 1 the incidiiiiiiiiiied, on the 9th. 1 all the hard drives. 2 MR. : So, on the 9th, 2 MR. Like, it happened long 3 everythin was 3 before, or when are you talking about -- 4 MR. : Well, when I checked it, 4 MR. : It happened -- 5 of course it wasn't recording. That's why I 5 MR. -- (Indiscernible 6 went up there to check. 6 *00:13:11iIIIIIIII 7 MR. It was not? 7 MR. : -- multiple times before, 8 MR. It was not recording. 8 where the recorders would stop working. 9 MR. Okay. So, when is the 9 MR. Okay. 10 first time you found out that it was not 10 MR. Yes. 11 recording? 11 MR. So, you were trying to 12 MR. : Oh. I guess the 9th. 12 preemptive) sto that from happening? 13 Everybody keep saying the 8th, but I don't 13 MR. : Happening again, yes. 14 really remember the 8th. 14 MR. Okay. So -- 15 MR. Okay. So, the 9th, and 15 MR. So -. 16 is that when ou -- 16 MR. : -- you didn't talk to 17 MR. : Because I -. 17 him based upon the system stopping recording. 18 MR. -- are saying you had the 18 You were talking about it -- 19 conversation with 19 MR. Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : Yes. Well, I had the 20 MR. -- doing preventative 21 conversation before, with , about what I 21 maintenance? 22 was going to do next. 22 MR. Maintenance. Yes. 23 MR. MI Okay. 23 MR. Is that correct? 24 MR. : Because it happened 24 MR. Yes. 25 before, so the next step was just to replace 25 MR. Okay. But you don't 23 24 1 remember exact) you spoke with him? 1 MR. : Okay. 2 MR. : No. Some time around that 2 MR. : But I know there was a 3 time, because I have to get the purchase, I 3 failure. I didn't check to see exactly where 4 have to get the parts to make the repairs, or 4 they were. 5 change the drives out. 5 MR. : So, you knew there was a 6 MR. : All right. So, until we 6 failure with the system, prior to August 9th. 7 go over this, I'm going to run through these, 7 You just didn't know what the failure was? 8 just so we keep on track. But it sounds like 8 MR. : Yes. 9 I'm going to have to show you these documents, 9 MR. And how did you know 10 to help ma be clarify some things. 10 that? 11 MR. : Mm-hmm. 11 MR. : Well, I would have to go 12 MR. : Do you know, did you know 12 check if there was video, there was no recorder 13 that the recorders - that the cameras weren't 13 videos, live videos, but there was no recorder 14 recordingliiiiiiii August 9th, 2019? 14 video. 15 MR. : Yeah. I know there was 15 MR. : So, you personally had 16 failures iiiiiiiiiitem. Yes. 16 checked to see if there were recorded video? 17 MR. : So, you knew that they 17 MR. : Yes. 18 were not 18 MR. : And when did you do that? 19 MR. : Not that day. But I know 19 MR. : I had, well, I had checked 20 that, overall, there was going to be system 20 that day, before I had to go upstairs to look 21 failures. 21 at everythin 22 MR. : And did you know that it 22 MR. August 9th? 23 was half of them all on DVR-1 or 2? 23 MR. August 9th. Yes. 24 MR. : I wasn't too sure what it 24 MR. So, that's where I'm 25 was. 25 saying. So, when you say, prior to the time, EFTA00064199 25 26 1 you're talking about the same day, August 9th, 1 problem. 2 is when you checked the -- 2 MR. So, how did you know that 3 MR. : Checked the recording. 3 the recording wasn't being able to rewind, and 4 MR. -- the recording. 4 check recording? Why were you in there 5 MR. Yeah. 5 checking that? 6 MR. : Prior to August 9th, did 6 MR. : I just, I guess I spoke to 7 you check the recording to see if it 7 somebody, or maybe I checked it. I'm not too 8 (Indiscernible *00:14:46)? 8 sure. 9 MR. : Multiple times before. 9 MR. : But it would have been 10 Yes. 10 based upon someone requesting you to do so? 11 MR. . And were they recorded? 11 MR. : Yes. 12 MR. From what I believe, yes. 12 MR. And you believe that 13 I'm not too sure. 13 happened on the 9th? 14 MR. Okay. Would you check 14 MR. Yes. 15 that system to check on the recordings, every 15 MR. Okay. 16 day? 16 : And iL i and the call 17 MR. : No. There was no thing 17 dropped. Let me 'et back on. 18 that says I have to check it. 18 MR. Absolutel . 19 MR. Sure. 19 MR. : A ent 20 MR. : The thing with the 20 : Hey, . You hear us fine 21 recorders is, I'm not really supposed to, like, 21 now? 22 mess with the system. I just, I'm maintenance. 22 MR. : Yes. I apologize. I 23 I'm not really supposed to, like, oh, tail 23 don't know why the call dropped. 24 SIS, that's their job to tell me, hey, 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 25 there is no video, or something, there is a 25 : Okay. 27 28 1 MR. All right. So, we were 1 MR. You got a TD guy with 2 iiiiiialking about the recording and how Mr. 2 you. 3 would not go in and review a recording 3 MR. Yeah. 4 without someone requesting him to do so. He 4 MR. And who was that TD guy 5 doesn't recall specifically who made that 5 Y? (Indiscernible *00:16:59). 6 request for him to review the recording, but he 6 MR. . His last name was 7 believes that he reviewed the recording on the 7 , and I don't remember his first name. 8 9th, and that's when he determined that it 8 He was an electrician. 9 wasn't recordin roperly. Is that correct? 9 MR. : An electrician. Do you 10 MR. : Yes. 10 know which facility he came from? 11 MR. : All right. And you - and 11 MR. : No. I'm not too sure. 12 again - you don't remember why you were 12 MR. You don't know the first 13 reviewing that recording? 13 name? 14 MR. : No. Because we're in the 14 MR. : I forgot his first name. 15 middle of a -. Well, no, this -. Before 15 We just call ever body by their last name. 16 Epstein happened, we were in the middle of a 16 MR. But he's not from MCC? 17 camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, 17 MR. No. He's not in from MCC. 18 like, the lead in the building, trying to tell 18 MR. After the interview, can 19 everybody what needs to get done. And I think 19 you just see if you can identify who that 20 the day before, I was on 10 South, I was 20 person is, and then send me an email? 21 putting in a (Indiscernible *00:16:52), so I 21 MR. : Okay. 22 was busy that I had a TDY guy on me. 22 MR. Of the person's name. 23 MR. : And when you - on the 23 But the Au ust 8th, 2019, you believe this -- 24 8th? 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : -- this TOY employee, EFTA00064200 29 30 1 1 camera system, though, to make sure it was 2 MR.wiiiiiiiliou? : Yeah. He was with me. We 2 recording? 3 were together all day because we were doing the 3 MR. : Yes. After we had the 4 piping, and tr in to put the rack in. 4 problem, 5 MR. : And what is a rack? 5 MR. : No, no, no. Prior to the 6 MR. : Where the -. Well, for 6 9th. 7 the new camera system, that's where the power 7 MR. : Yes. Prior to the 9th. 8 supply, the switch would go, the camera feed, 8 MR. And when did you check 9 the (Indiscernible *00:17:38) five cables would 9 on, prior, like, how many days before? Do you 10 go. Ever thin will go on the rack. 10 remember? 11 MR. : So, it had to do with the 11 MR. : I don't really remember. 12 camera system? 12 MR. • Are you talking about, 13 MR. : The upgrading the new 13 like, a few days leading up, a day leading up, 14 camera system. Yes. 14 or are you talkin about, like, a month or two? 15 MR. : Is that anything that 15 MR. : Maybe, like, weeks. Not 16 could have possibly caused the cameras to stop 16 months. It wouldn't have been a month. 17 recording? 17 MR. : Like, a few weeks? 18 MR. : No. That's -. Nothing 18 MR. M! Yeah, because I had to 19 was hooked up. It was just the hardware. 19 order the parts. I don't know when I ordered 20 There was no or nothing. 20 the parts. But I had to know that they weren't 21 MR. : Okay. So, that could not 21 working. 22 have affected the camera? 22 MR. : But I thought you just 23 MR. Mi The cameras? No. 23 said that they were working, and you only 24 MR. : All right. And do you 24 ordered tiiiiiiiiieventative maintenance? 25 remember, prior to August 9th, checking on the 25 MR. : Well, I - yeah -. Well, 31 32 1 they weren't working before. So, I had to 1 you of what it is we're hoping to get. And 2 rebuild one of the drives. I had to change one 2 there, but again, you ordered that because 3 of the drives out. 3 there was a problem with the -- 4 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. : Recorders. 5 MR. : That's when I went to say, 5 MR. -- with the recorders 6 let me order a whole bunch of drives, to 6 MR. Yes. 7 replace all the drives together, at once. 7 MR. -- you fixed that 8 MR. : And are you able to 8 problem. 9 determine when made that order? 9 MR. : Temporarily. But I knew 10 MR. : Yes. We have a purchase 10 it was going to happen again. And the best 11 order. Yes. 11 thing to iiiiiiiiiilace all the drives. 12 MR. : All right. So, those two 12 MR. : Okay. So, you knew that 13 I lsl so far. Can you give me the name of 13 it would iiiiiiiiirding again? 14 , and the second thing is the purchase 14 MR. : I knew there was going to 15 order, with re and to -- 15 be a problem a ain. Yes. 16 MR. : Yeah. 16 MR. : Okay. And what made you 17 MR. : -- when you made that 17 know that 18 order -- 18 MR. : Talking to the vendor, and 19 MR. : Yeah. 19 talking the age of the unit, 20 MR. • -- for the new drives? 20 because it was, like, 15 years old. And the 21 MR. Mm-hmm. 21 fact that it's on 365, 24 days, and on 24 hours 22 I'll send you an email 22 a day, like, it just constantly goes on. And 23 after this. 23 then, when you try to do maintenance, something 24 MR. Okay. 24 as simple as changing the time, the recording 25 MR. : lust kind of reminding 25 would stop for, like, a whole day, day and a EFTA00064201 33 34 1 half. Because for the drives rebuilding, you 1 the basement. And we weren't really a priority 2 have to chap e the time. 2 on the list until, of course, Epstein happened. 3 MR. : Okay. 3 That's when SigNet came the next day, and put 4 MR. : And before all of this 4 the new recorders in. 5 happened, I actually put in a camera project. 5 MR. Okay. So, prior to 6 That's why I was in the middle of a camera 6 August 10th, 2019 our main point of contact 7 project, to everything. 7 was SigNet, with 8 MR. : Now, when you say that 8 MR. 9 the people you spoke to, you mentioned 9 MR. 10 and then, you said the customer service people 10 MR. . Yes. 11 11 MR. : And what was his role and 12 MR. : Yeah. SigNet. 12 responsibiiiiiiiiih SigNet? 13 MR. -- Signet. 13 MR. : He is just, like, the guy 14 MR. : Yeah. Mainly 14 we will call if there is a problem, or if 15 , and I would talk to him. 15 training, or if I don't know the system. 16 MR. was your 16 Because, like, this system, I never had 17 main point of contact? 17 training on it. So, like, when I saw it, 18 MR. : Yes. 18 because the last institution I was, was, like, 19 MR. What about a 19 maybe two versions ahead of this one. So, when 20 ?Iiiiiiiliou recall -? 20 I saw this recording, I was, like, this stuff 21 MR. : was the one that came 21 is old, like, I don't know anything about it. 22 after Epstein. That's the guy that showed up 22 Like what should I do? So, I called 23 when we had to put in the new drives. Because 23 and IIIIII, like, pretty much would walk me 24 we ordered the new -. We ordered the new 24 through trouble shooting, if there is a 25 recorders. But everything was downstairs in 25 problem. 35 36 1 MR. And what was the system 1 recording. 2 again? 2 MR. So, it will automatically 3 MR. : Raid (Phonetic Sp. 3 shift over to the other drive? 4 *00:21:08). 4 MR. : To the other slot. Yes. 5 MR. Nice Pro, or something 5 MR. : Okay. 6 like that? 6 MR. : And then, when two drives 7 MR. : I don't -. I know it was 7 go bad, that's when all the recordings stop. 8 a raid system. A raid array. I remember 8 MR. : So, what is the 9 that's what he ke pt saying. Raid array. 9 difference between ours, where is one -. Is 10 MR. • Okay. 10 what you're talking about a DVR-1 and a DVR-2? 11 MR. It was raid. 11 MR. : No. That's the drive in 12 MR. • And do you know what that 12 the DVRs, because there's 16 drives. That's 13 means? 13 what - I think - that's what it was. So, out 14 MR. : Just the way the drives 14 of the 16 like, in DVR-1, if one goes bad, 15 would go. So, if, the way he explained that to 15 that's not a problem. As soon as the second 16 me, if one drive would go bad, that's not so 16 drive goes bad, then that's when you have a 17 bad. But as soon as two drives go bad, that's 17 problem. And that's when the recording would 18 when all the recordings pretty much stops. 18 stop. 19 MR. • So -- 19 MR. Okay. So, what is your 20 MR. : Because it was a redundant 20 understandin of what happened here? 21 system. 21 MR. : Oh. The drive went bad. 22 MR. -- okay. So, when one 22 MR. : One of them? 23 drive goes bad, does any, do any recordings 23 MR. Two of them. Yeah. 24 stop? 24 MR. Two of them -- 25 MR. : No. It will keep 25 MR. : I believe. EFTA00064202 37 38 1 MR. IIIIIIIIII: -- did go bad? 1 MR. : -- the recording, but 2 MR. IIIIIIIII: Yes. Because that's why - 2 they're savin it to DVR-1 -- 3 3 MR. Yes. 4 MR. : And is it two of 16, or 4 MR. -- and DVR-2. 5 is it two out of two? 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. : Two out of 16. 6 MR. : So, what is the 7 MR. : So, if two out of 16 go 7 difference between if a DVR-1 goes bad, but not 8 bad -- 8 DVR-2? Is that ust -? 9 MR. Go bad. 9 MR. : The physical location over 10 MR. -- then -- 10 it. Because everything on the old system was 11 MR. Mm-hmm. 11 analog. So, like, cameras one through whatever 12 MR. -- they all. 12 are on this drive, on DVR-1, and our other 13 MR. The recordings stop. Yes. 13 cameras are on DVR-2. 14 MR. : For all of them? 14 MR. : So, does each DVR have 16 15 MR. Yes. 15 drives? 16 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : Yes. 17 MR. : On that drive. All the 17 MR. : All right. So -- 18 recording sto s. 18 MR. So -. 19 MR. : And the DVR-1 and DVR-2, 19 MR. • -- DVR-1 has 16 drives. 20 that's sim l the recording system? 20 DVR-2 has 16 drives. 21 MR. : Yes. 21 MR. Mi Yes. 22 MR. : That's not the anything 22 MR. : And either DVR-1 or DVR- 23 to do with the -. The drives are what's making 23 2, two of those drives went bad? 24 24 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : (Indiscernible *00:22:32) 25 MR. : And stopped that DVR-2 39 40 1 from recordin . 1 in order to determine if there were problems 2 MR. : From recording. Yes. 2 with the drives 3 MR. : But the drives on DVR-1 3 MR. : The drives. You would 4 were all ood? 4 have to -- 5 MR. All good. Yes. 5 MR. -- that's through -- 6 MR. Okay. 6 MR. -- yes. 7 MR. : And another thing I've 7 MR. -- yeah, you go into 8 learned also, through my time, is that SigNet 8 Supervision, and that would, in fact, tell you? 9 replied to me this, you could look at the 9 MR. : And which, I have no 10 camera software, until you physically look at 10 training on. 11 the drives, you would think that everything is 11 MR. So, you've never -- 12 recording. That's something we went over 12 MR. Obviously. 13 recently. 13 MR. -- looked at that? 14 MR. : Well, what about a -. I 14 MR. No. 15 was told that there was an application that you 15 MR. Did anyone else have 16 would have, that was called Supervision. 16 health -- 17 MR. _: Yeah. I don't look at 17 MR. At the time, no. 18 Supervision. 18 MR. -- did anyone else have 19 MR. You don't. 19 access? 20 MR. : You can. I have access to 20 MR. No. 21 look at it, but I didn't get trained on it, so 21 MR. So, you were the only 22 I don't really look at Superivision. I would 22 person with access to Supervision? 23 just go in the regular Nice Vision, and look at 23 MR. Yes. Pretty much. Yes. 24 it that 24 MR. All right. And do you 25 MR. : Yeah. We were told that, 25 know if someone accessed the application EFTA00064203 41 42 1 Supervision, they could have taken the drives 1 So, if you ended up not being able to show up, 2 offline, or the recordings offline? 2 or you left, or something like that, how would 3 MR. : Hmm, yeah. But yeah, 3 someone gain access to that? 4 nobody would have that access. 4 MR. : That's something they 5 MR. : Would they be able to do 5 would have to try to figure out, but yeah. I 6 it from there though? 6 don't -. 7 MR. : Yes. They probably would, 7 MR. : But to your knowledge, 8 yes. 8 you're the only person that had the password to 9 MR. But you are confident no 9 access Su ervisioN? 10 one had access to it? 10 MR. : Yes. 11 MR.Mi No. 11 MR. Okay. And SigNet 12 MR. : Okay. So, you would be 12 wouldn't be able to remote in? 13 the one and only person with access to 13 MR. : No. They have no access 14 Supervision? 14 to remote it. That's BOP. They don't want 15 MR.a Yes. 15 them to be able to backdoor remote in to 16 MR. : And there is no, like, if 16 anything. 17 you're not there, somebody else has -- 17 MR. Okay. And when did you 18 MR. : There is nobody -- 18 19 MR. • -- a way to -- 19 MR. : Oh. Well, they -. The 20 MR. -- there is nobody. Yeah. 20 old system, they were able to, if you had a 56K 21 MR. • -- how would they do 21 (Phonetic Sp. *00:25:06) modem, they were able 22 that? Frill? To get access again. 22 to do maintenance, and tell me, like, the 23 MR. : Oh, no. They would just 23 status of the drives. But I would have to 24 have to know the to log in. 24 physically hook up S6k modem. But at the time, 25 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Well, that's what I mean. 25 that wasn't hooked up. Because we did some 43 44 1 repairs before, when I was trying to figure 1 MR. No? Would it have been 2 stuff out, and I couldn't figure it out, where 2 leading u to Au ust 9th, 2019? 3 they would - through a modem - they would 3 MR. Probably. Yeah. 4 remote into the -. Well, I would have to grant 4 MR. : And do you know around 5 them access to look at the drives, to 5 how long before that? 6 (Indiscernible *00:25:26) of the drives. 6 MR.Mi l No. 7 MR. • So, how -- 7 MR. : Is there a way to 8 MR. : And we've done that 8 determine? Do they have, like, some thing that 9 before. Yes. 9 you can see when your last log ons were, or 10 MR. -- so, you had to grant 10 anything like that? 11 them access. The couldn't go in there -- 11 MR. : You could call computer 12 MR. : No 12 services, then they could tell you my 13 MR. • -- without your -. 13 keystrokes or whatever, whatever I logged into. 14 MR. : Physically. And 14 But that'iilliliiiihe only time. Yeah. 15 physicall ou have to put a cable in. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. IIM7 But there is really 17 MR. Yeah. 17 nothing to sa when I logged in. 18 MR. So, you are the one and 18 MR. : But to your recollection, 19 only person with access, remotely, that could 19 you were not accessing Supervision at all? 20 have accessed those servers? 20 MR. : Hmm. I mean, they showed 21 MR. Mi Yes. 21 me how to do some stuff on it, but I don't 22 MR. : Okay. And do you 22 really even think I remembered how to - at that 23 remember the last time you would have accessed 23 time - I don't really remember. 24 that application? 24 MR. : But the point being, in 25 MR. : I have no idea. 25 this case, you didn't find out the recordings EFTA00064204 45 46 1 had stopped because of that application, 1 MR. a No. 2 Supervision. Correct? 2 MR. : Okay. And what would be 3 MR.Mi I don't believe so. No. 3 a reason for you to go into the application, 4 MR. : Okay. And you did not 4 Supervision? 5 take the cameras, or recordings, offline from 5 MR. : Just to see what was going 6 Supervision. Correct? 6 on, who's logging on, or just to, if something 7 MR. : No. I can't. Yeah. No. 7 looks funky to me, or just doesn't feel right, 8 I've never been able to do that. So, no. 8 to see what was going on. 9 MR. : So, you don't even -. 9 MR. Okay. 10 Sorry. I thought you told me before you could 10 MR. Yeah. 11 do it. DO ou think -- 11 MR. And do you have any 12 MR. : You have access to do it, 12 examples, prior to August 9th, 2019, when you 13 yes, if you are in Supervision. Yeah. There 13 would have done that? 14 is stuff you can do on Supervision to stop the 14 MR. : I know there was one time, 15 recordings. Yes. 15 like, when they remoted in, they were showing 16 MR. : Now, if you weren't 16 me stuff on the drives. And I was talking to 17 really familiar with the application, is it 17 SigNet over the phone, and they were showing me 18 possible that you were in there, and you 18 how to fix the drives before. 19 accidental) knocked them offline? 19 MR. : Okay. 20 MR. : No. 20 MR. : But other than that, like, 21 MR. • Okay. 21 I don't really remember me using Supervision 22 MR. : I wouldn't knock anything 22 that much. 23 offline. 23 MR. : And that would have been, 24 MR. No. You don't believe 24 they would have had a log of when that 25 so? 25 happened? 47 48 1 MR. : Yeah. Supervision has a - 1 MR. Okay. But SigNet would 2 . Every time you log into Supervision, you see 2 probably have a call log of you -- 3 a username and who logged in. That's always 3 MR. Of who's on. 4 kept on Su ervision. 4 MR. -- talking with them? 5 MR. : Okay. And do you have 5 MR. Yes. 6 access to that now, to be able to -- 6 MR. Going over -- 7 MR. Yes. 7 MR. Supervision. 8 MR. • -- determine? 8 MR. • -- Supervision? 9 MR. Yes. 9 MR. -- yes. 10 MR. • So, it shows that 10 MR. All right. So, SigNet 11 MR. Well, that -- 11 should be able to provide us something, with 12 MR. -- it shows -. 12 regard to 13 MR. -- well, whatever system 13 MR. Supervision. Yes. 14 you have, you can log into it, and see what you 14 MR. • -- when they had you in 15 have on it in Su ervision. 15 there. 16 MR. : And when you logged in, 16 MR. Yeah. 17 and when ou lo ed out? 17 MR. And do you think that you 18 MR. : Yeah. 18 went in there, though, aside from them showing 19 MR. : So, would you still have 19 you? 20 the ability now, to go back to see when you 20 MR. : Maybe to check some stuff 21 logged in and lo ed out? 21 out. But not really. 22 MR. : For the old system, no. 22 MR. : Okay. All right. So, 23 MR. • No? Not for the old 23 again, August 9th is the first time you think 24 system. 24 that you knew that the cameras weren't 25 MR. : Old system, no. 25 recording. EFTA00064205 49 50 1 MR. : Mm-hmm. 1 MR. -- some of these -. I'm 2 MR. : If we were to tell you 2 just, again, because I assumed you were going 3 that the cameras actually stopped the recording 3 to remember this stuff, I'm going to cover 4 on July 29th, 2019, you said that's news to 4 these questions to make sure that I don't miss 5 you? 5 anything. 6 MR. : Yes. That's kind of a 6 MR. : Mm-hmm. 7 long time for me not to notice that the cameras 7 MR. And then, we will have 8 -. That's like a week and a half. 8 to, maybe, refresh with some of them. So, did 9 MR. Something like that. 9 IIII, or 10 MR. Yeah. 10 tell you to fix the cameras on 11 MR. : Yeah. 11 August 9th 2019? On August 8th -- 12 MR. . For me not to notice that 12 MR. : 8th. 13 they stop ed recording. 13 MR. -- or 9th, 2019. 14 MR. • So -. 14 MR. : Yes. The 8th or 9th. 15 MR. : But I could see where, if 15 Yes. 16 I didn't do it, because we were busy with a 16 MR. : Okay. 17 project, maybe I didn't check it. But that's 17 MR. Somebody did tell me about 18 kind of hard. And for SIS, or nobody to tell 18 the drives. 19 me, like, hey, the cameras weren't recording, 19 MR. And who was it that told 20 or we've tried to pull video and it wasn't 20 you? 21 working. That's kind of weird, too. 21 MR. : I think it was SIS. 22 MR. : All right. All right. 22 Somebody in SIS. It might have been 23 So, since you don't remember these, we're going 23 But I'm pretty sure it's somebody from SIS that 24 to start ilao -- 24 told me, hey, the cameras stopped working. Or 25 MR. : Sure. 25 here, there is a problem. 51 52 1 MR. And can you just recall 1 MR. : 2019. 2 that conversation, of what they told you, and 2 MR. W. Okay. They were looking 3 what happened and where it was? 3 at video -- 4 MR. : It's pretty simple. Like, 4 MR. And -- 5 hey, , the camera is not working, this 5 MR. -- for some reason. 6 and that, (Indiscernible *00:30:03). Like, I 6 MR. -- and they were looking 7 just go and do 7 at video they called you. 8 MR. : And did they tell you, 8 MR. Okay. 9 fix it immediate) ? 9 MR. • And had you come up. And 10 MR. : No. 10 had you determine what was going on. 11 MR. : Did they tell you that 11 MR. 12 they were informing the captain? 12 MR. said, 13 MR. a No. 13 on August 8th, she said, make sure that you get 14 MR. : And you don't recall 14 this thin fixed. 15 being involved? 15 MR. : Mm-hmm. 16 MR. : Pfft. This is two years 16 MR. : She, then, she said she 17 (Indiscernible *00:30:16) get involved, as far 17 didn't work on August 9th, and the schedule for 18 as I know. 18 August 9th reflects that. 19 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Well -. 19 MR. : Okay. So, if that 20 MR. : I mean, after the fact, 20 happened, I'm not saying this happened, but if 21 everybody is involved, but -. 21 it that did happen, I probably noticed that the 22 MR. : So the information we 22 drive went back and probably was trying to 23 have is and were 23 rebuild the drive. But I'm not sure if that's 24 attemptiniiiiiiiiiew video on August 8th -- 24 exactly -. Honestly, I don't remember the day 25 MR. : Oh, okay. 2019. 25 before what happened. EFTA00064206 53 54 1 MR. And that's what I'm 1 MR. On August 10th -- 2 trying to, ou know -- 2 MR. August 10th. 3 MR. Mm-hmm. 3 MR. -- because of what -- 4 MR. -- refresh your 4 MR. Yeah. Epstein. 5 recollection. So, on August 8th, 2019, she 5 MR. -- happened with Epstein. 6 said it happened some time before 2:00 p.m., 6 MR. Yes. 7 that's whiiiiiiiiioke to you about this. 7 MR. She said, when she saw 8 MR. : So, I would have went in 8 you on August 10th, she had learned that the 9 there. 9 camera system wasn't fixed -- 10 MR. : And she said -. 10 MR. : Yeah. 11 MR. : And if I was upstairs, I 11 MR. -- and they weren't 12 would haviiiiiiiiiiht in the room. 12 recording. 13 MR. : And she - yeah - she said 13 MR. : Yeah. 14 that -- 14 MR. And she said, , why 15 MR. : But I don't remember. 15 didn't this get fixed? And your response to 16 MR. : -- she was under the 16 her was, I came in today to do that. 17 understanding that, on August 8th, you were 17 MR. : Yeah. 18 fixing it. 18 MR. Does that all help you -- 19 MR. 19 MR. Yes. 20 MR. : She said, she didn't work 20 MR. -- recollect what's going 21 on August 9th, and she hadn't planned on 21 on? 22 working on Au ust 10th -- 22 MR. : Yes. 23 MR. : Mm-hmm. 23 MR. Does that sound accurate? 24 MR. • -- but she got called in. 24 MR. : It sounds accurate, but -. 25 MR. : Mm-hmm. 25 So, if something happened on the 8th, I don't 55 56 1 think I would wait until the 9th to fix it. 1 your date of birth and telephone number, "was 2 So, if it did happen on the 8th, I don't really 2 interviewed b Assistant United States 3 remember the 8th. I remember the 9th more 3 Attorney, (Phonetic Sp. 4 specifically. But it did happen on the 8th. I 4 *00:32:42), Task Force Officer Detective 5 would have went to the room, and just replaced 5 (Phonetic Sp. *00:32:45), and 6 the drives, because that's the only thing I 6 Special Agent , at the United 7 would do. 7 States Attorney's Office, Southern District of 8 MR. : All right. I'm going to 8 New York, 1 St. Andrew Plaza, New York, New 9 skip ahead and do, I'm going to read you - and 9 York. During the interview, provided 10 I'll continue on with this - I'm going to -- 10 the following details." Does that all sound 11 MR. : Yeah. 11 correct so far? 12 MR. : -- read you the FBI 12 MR. Yes. 13 interview re ort from when you -- 13 MR. And we're just going to 14 MR. Mm-hmm. 14 stop after each aragraph, to have you -- 15 MR. -- do you remember, you 15 MR. : Mm-hmm. 16 said that ou were interviewed by the FBI? 16 MR. -- to check in with you. 17 MR. : Yes. I was. 17 started working for the Bureau of 18 MR. : All right. So, this says 18 Prisons in 2003 and worked in both New York 19 you were interviewed by the FBI on March 12th, 19 and Indiana. had some colle e 20 2020. Is that correct? 20 education, 21 MR. Mi Yes. 21 , and had ten years' 22 MR. : All right. So, I'm going 22 experience in electronics." Correct? 23 to just read, I'll just read the whole thing, 23 MR. Mi l Yes. 24 so that we're not missin anithin . It says, 24 MR. : "In 2016, was put 25 "On March 12, 2020, ," it says 25 in charge of all the cameras at the EFTA00064207 57 58 1 Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC). 1 to me what we're talking about here, because it 2 advised that the camera at MCC were out of 2 says -? 3 date. The recorders frequently went bad, and 3 MR. : That was -. 4 the cameras were all analog, and not maintained 4 MR. It says, specifically, 5 properly." 5 there was a s stem failure -- 6 MR. : Yes. 6 MR. : Yes. 7 MR. • "The camera system was 7 MR. S li: -- of DVR-2, on July 29th 8 over 20 years old. Sometimes, the screen would 8 9 be active, indicating that the camera was 9 MR. 29th. 10 working. However, the video would not be 10 MR. -- 2019. 11 recording." 11 MR. : That was a month before. 12 MR. : Yes. 12 Well, yeah. 13 MR. advised that only 13 MR. That's that week and a 14 one hard drive of the camera system was 14 half. 15 working, at the time of the incident, on August 15 MR. (Indiscernible *00:34:34). 16 10th, 2019. When a DVR went bad, none of the 16 MR. That's the July 29th, 17 cameras recorded. There was a system failure 17 2019 -- 18 of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, and the 18 MR. Yes. 19 motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 19 MR. -- that we were talking 20 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on 20 about. So, what would have happened with the 21 August 10th, 2019." Is that something that you 21 system failure? 22 provided to them? 22 MR. : That's when I had to 23 MR. : Yeah. I probably did. 23 replace the motherboard on the DVR-2. 24 Yes. 24 MR. And what does that mean? 25 MR. So, can you just explain 25 MR. : DVR-2 was really old, and 59 60 1 SigNet didn't have the arts to replace it, so 1 recordings were working? 2 I had to call with , I contacted another 2 MR. Yes. 3 BOP facility, and then, I took the computer 3 MR. All right. 4 apart, and he just pretty much replaced the 4 MR. : Because he would have 5 motherboard, and got the DVR-2 to start 5 logged into Nice Vision, and he would have seen 6 working. 6 things 7 MR. MI On the 29th? 7 MR. : But I thought you said 8 MR. : If that's what it says, 8 that -- 9 yes. 9 MR. And that's, well -- 10 MR. : Well, it just says -. It 10 MR.a : -- you'll only see if it 11 doesn't say when you got it to stop working. 11 was working, if it was live feed. I thought 12 It just says there was a system failure of DVR- 12 you said see recording. 13 2 on July 29th, 2019. 13 MR. : No. If you log into the 14 MR. : I believe they probably 14 Nice Vision, with the live feed, you would 15 spoke to Signet then. I'm not too sure with 15 think everything is still recording because 16 the dates because everything is -. I've been 16 everything looks green. It's when you try to 17 super busy. The dates, I'm not really good 17 play back the video and, like, oh, wow, there's 18 with. 18 nothing being recorded. That's when you would 19 MR. : Okay. But on July 29th, 19 know there is a problem. 20 2019, with the system failure, would have that 20 MR. Okay. So -- 21 stopped the recordings? 21 MR. So, if somebody has -- 22 MR. : Yes. A system failure 22 MR. -- the way you check -- 23 would haviiiiiiiiiithe recordings. 23 MR. -- to pull the video. 24 MR. : Okay. And is it your 24 Yeah. 25 understanding that, after July 29th, the 25 MR. -- like, the way you EFTA00064208 61 62 1 checked was to try to rewind video? 1 2019." What does that mean? 2 MR. : Yeah. That's the only way 2 MR. : So, the motherboard, 3 you could check it, is try to pull video from 3 that's the one I had to get replaced on August 4 the days orior 4 8th, 2019. 5 MR. All right. So, you are 5 MR. : Right. So, this says 6 aware, though, on July 29th, 2019, it stopped 6 August 8th. And you've been saying that you 7 recording, but your understanding was that you 7 first learned on August 9th. So, where does 8 got it toliiiiiiiiin? 8 this come into play? How do we know that the 9 MR. : Yes. Everything started 9 motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 8th, 10 working a ain. 10 2019? 11 MR. : All right. And do you 11 MR. : August 8th. That's the 12 know if you checked on it for say, let's say 12 motherboard I wrote, I must have replaced. 13 the 30th of Jul or -? 13 Because I remember replacing a motherboard. 14 MR. : I was in the middle of a 14 MR. : And what does a 15 project, so I can't say I was just focused on 15 motherboard do? What is that? 16 that, because there was a lot going on. 16 MR. : When ago did this happen? 17 MR. : So, you only recall that 17 Everythin happened on the Epstein, that was -- 18 you would have checked on the 29th? 18 MR. Epstein was the 10t . 19 MR. : Yeah. 19 MR. -- 10th. 20 MR. : Of July. 20 MR. : And just to help -- 21 MR. : Yeah. I don't think I 21 MR. So, that's -- 22 would have had reason to check, unless somebody 22 MR. -- so, just so we're not 23 told me it wasn't working. 23 running in circles -- 24 MR. : Okay. And it says, "And 24 MR. -- yeah, that -. 25 the motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 8th, 25 '1R. . -- let me just read you 63 64 1 the SigNet service call, as well. 1 five, and save. It will restart and being, and 2 MR. Mi Yeah. 2 initialization." And obviously, these words 3 MR. : So, this is the SigNet 3 seem to be wTon . I'm sure -- 4 service re uest number 24975. 4 MR. : Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : -- it's supposed to say, 6 MR. : It says, assigned to IIII 6 it will restart and begin initialization. 7 7 MR. In Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : It talks about the 9 MR. 9 password. And it talks about different 10 MR. : Mm-hmm. (Indiscernible 10 directions to ao forward -- 11 *00:37:33iiIIIIIIII 11 MR. : Mm-hmm. 12 MR. : -- and 12 MR. -- with. And then, there 13 Date created, Au ust 8th, 2019. 13 is a comment by on Au ust 14, 14 MR. : Okay. 14 2019, at 8:02 p.m. This says, " 15 MR. : And then, if we go down 15 called us on Thursday, August 8th, stating that 16 and we look at the, well, we'll read the 16 he had two bad drives on his raid unit." 17 comment section. 17 MR. Mi Mm-hmm. 18 MR. : Okay. 18 MR. : "Of the Nice Vision Pro 19 MR. So, there is a comment by 19 unit, NVR. We advised him to get replacement 20 on August 8th, 2019, at 3:38 p.m. 20 drives." 21 It says, "Hi, IIII. Unable to locate anything 21 MR. Mm-hmm. 22 official. The basic steps are as follows. 22 MR. Once they are replaced, 23 Set the raid level to none and save. It will 23 they should start to -- 24 restart it with all drives being J. Replace 24 MR. : Initialize. 25 any faulty drives. Two, set the raid level to 25 MR. -- initialize -- EFTA00064209 65 66 1 MR. Yes. 1 MR. : Yeah. 2 MR. la : -- to become available 2 MR. : "Once the drives are 3 for the raid array. did not have 3 removed without proper shutdown of the 4 drives readil y available." 4 recorder, the video database becomes corrupted. 5 MR. : Mm-hmm. 5 Typically, any time the raid on a raid five 6 MR. : "He checked with his 6 configuration loses two drives -- 7 local CSM " again -- 7 MR.In Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : -- the raid needs to be 9 MR. _zz_you said was -- 9 rebuilt, and all data is wiped from the raid." 10 MR. 'I'll. 10 MR. : Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 11 MR. : -- okay. "To see if they 11 MR. : Do you want to just 12 had any spare replacement drives. Once he 12 review that ourself? 13 located replacement drives on Friday, August 13 MR. : Uh-huh. 14 9th, he did not have access to the DVR room to 14 MR. : So that I'm not just 15 replace them. He called SigNet for phone 15 reading it to you, and tell me if that sounds 16 support, on Saturday, August 10th -- 16 accurate if ,. 17 MR. : Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Yes. That sounds a little 18 MR. -- when he gained access 18 bit betters_lill2aiihat happened. 19 to the DVR room. 19 MR. IIIIIIIIII: So, is this now 20 MR. : Mm-hmm. 20 refreshing your recollection that, actually, on 21 MR. : "He attempted to replace 21 August 8th, is when you found out? 22 the drives, and they started to rebuild. 22 MR. : Yes. Okay. It was the 23 During the rebuild process of the drives, the 23 8th, 24 drives were required to be taken out of the 24 MR. : It was the 8th? 25 raid on DVR-2." 1 25 MR. W. The 8th. Yes. 67 68 1 MR. All right. And it was 1 MR. 2 the 8th that someone told you that the 2 MR. 3 recorders -- 3 MR. Yes. 4 MR. : (Indiscernible *00:40:04), 4 MR. Were they -? I think 5 and I probably went to go look at the room. 5 they were the onl No -- 6 Yes. And then, I probably went back the next 6 MR. Two working. 7 day, on the 9th, because the Thursday, when he 7 MR. -- at the time. 8 told me to put the drives in, I probably went 8 MR. Yes. 9 to put the drives in, and replace them. And 9 MR. So, would it have been 10 then, Friday, is when I'm stopped to see if the 10 one of the two of them? 11 drives finished that rebuilding. 11 MR. : Two of them. Yes. 12 MR. : I'm sorry. Can you 12 MR. Okay. And they told you 13 repeat What happened? 13 that the 14 MR. : Okay. Okay. Now, it's 14 MR. Recorders went bad. 15 making more sense. 15 MR. -- was -. 16 MR. So, on the 8tliwas it - 16 MR. Yes. 17 can you recall - was it that 17 MR. Okay. So -. 18 told -? 18 MR. : And then, and that's 19 MR. : Somebody told me what was 19 probably when I called SigNet, okay, two 20 going on, on the 8th. 20 drives, two bad drives. So, I probably got the 21 MR. : At the time, was there 21 drives. I started to rebuild it. And then, 22 only SIS people workin there, 22 the next da that's when I checked. 23 , and SIS Tech 23 MR. : But it sounds like, from 24 MR. 24 this, you didn't have the drives on the 8th. 25 MR. -- is it -? 25 Is that correct? EFTA00064210 69 70 1 MR. : I probably - because there 1 MR. : Not on the 10th. Yes. 2 was spare drives on the room - so, I probably 2 MR. : All right. Because that 3 started to rebuild on the 8th. I'm not too 3 way that it reads, I thought was that, you 4 sure. Hog, 4 didn't have them on the 8th. On the 9th, you 5 MR. : All right. Well, this is 5 didn't have access, "And then, on the 10th, 6 really important for us to get you to try to 6 when he gained access to the DVR room, he 7 remember. 7 attempted to replace the drives, and they 8 MR. I know. 8 started to rebuild." That's how this reads. 9 MR. : Because this is, like, a 9 MR. : That sounds about -. That 10 big piece of this, the fact that the cameras 10 sounds ri ht. Yeah. 11 were down when E stein -- 11 MR. : So, now you're thinking, 12 MR. : Yeah, I know, but I -- 12 you actually did it on the 10th, and not the 13 MR. -- and -. 13 8th? 14 MR. -- I was doing, like, a 14 MR. : Yeah, I know I replaced 15 million things, and I've been doing a million 15 the drives on the 10th, because that's when 16 things after, like -- 16 they told me, like, not to do it, and it got 17 MR. : Sure. 17 crazy. 18 MR. -- this happened. 18 MR. : All right. So, now 19 MR. : So, on the 8th, you 19 you're thinking it actually you didn't do 20 actually believe that, from reading this -- 20 anything on the 8th. 21 MR.ai This. Yes. 21 MR. : Hmm. I probably know 22 MR. : -- you believe that you 22 about those drives being bad, and I went to go 23 actually did tr to rebuild on the 8th -- 23 get drives. 24 MR. : Yes. 24 MR. : So -- 25 MR. : -- and not on the 10th? 25 MR. M I! Yes. 71 72 1 MR. -- so, on the 8th, you 1 MR. -- and previously, what 2 went to look for drives? 2 you told us that, is that you found out on the 3 MR. : Yes. 3 9th, and then on the 10th, you didn't have 4 MR. Do you think you located 4 access to the room, so on the 10th, you did 5 them on the 8th? 5 overtime that ou could do it then. 6 MR. : Hmm. I came back the next 6 MR. : I was going to be doing 7 day, and that's when I replaced them. 7 overtime anyway. So, I was going to be there 8 MR. Well, the next day was 8 regardless. 9 the 9th -- 9 MR. : You were going to be 10 MR. : The 9th. 10 there on the 10th regardless? 11 MR. . -- and it says that you 11 MR. : Yeah, because we had TDY 12 didn't have access to -- 12 people there. 13 MR. : Just to replace -- 13 MR. Okay. So, you were going 14 MR. • -- replace. 14 to be working on the 10th, overtime, regardless 15 MR. -- yeah, I can't go in the 15 of this camera issue? 16 room. 16 MR. : Yeah. Regardless. I was 17 MR. So then, it sounds like, 17 -. Because this had nothing to do with my 18 so, you didn't do anything on the 8th -- 18 overtime. I was doing a project. 19 MR. : Or the 9th. 19 MR. : All right. Because we 20 MR. • -- or the 9th. 20 talked in pretty detail, in July, when 21 MR. Mm-hmm. 21 and I spoke with you about, like, how someone 22 MR. You obtained the 22 approved your overtime to work on the 10th, 23 hardware, but then, on the 10th -- 23 specificaiiiiiiiiirk on this camera issue. 24 MR. : That's when I got access 24 MR. : No. This was not for 25 to the room. 25 that. EFTA00064211 73 74 1 MR. And you -- 1 first thiligjiLI12_morning tomorrow. 2 MR. No. And that's -- 2 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. So, if you didn't 3 MR. -- and then, you went on 3 deal with it on the 9th, because you couldn't 4 where, like, on in detail about -- 4 gain access to -- 5 MR. No. That's -- 5 MR. : Yes. 6 MR. -- like, who would have 6 MR. -- the SIS room? 7 approved it -- 7 MR. Yeah. 8 MR. No. What -- 8 MR. How were you going to get 9 MR. -- would it have been 9 access to the SIS room -- 10 Would it have been one of the AWs? 10 MR. Somebody was there -- 11 The captain? 11 MR. -- (Indiscernible 12 MR. : I don't know who approved 12 *00:43:42). 13 it, but we were already working on the camera 13 MR. -- on Saturday. 14 project. So that's what I was doing. 14 MR. • Now, someone is always 15 MR. : Okay. 15 there from SIS on Saturday? 16 MR. I was already -- 16 MR. : Not always, but there was 17 MR. So, you weren't -- 17 going to be somebody there on Saturday -- 18 MR. -- this had nothing to do 18 MR. . Okay. 19 with anythin iiiiiiiiii 19 MR. -- because I think I asked 20 MR. : -- so, you weren't there 20 III if he was oin g to be there Saturday 21 on -- 21 MR. : All right. And III -- 22 MR. : So, specifically, to just 22 MR. And there was -. 23 deal with this. And if I said, okay, I'll deal 23 MR. . -- wasn't actually an SIS 24 with it tomorrow, I probably, said, okay, I 24 (Indiscernible *00:43:55)? 25 don't have time today, I could deal with it 25 MR. : Yes. He was an SIS. He 75 76 1 was just in the video room. 1 said that III was -. You said III was there on 2 MR. He was a telephone 2 the 9th, or he was there on the 8th? 3 monitor -- 3 MR. : That's his main post. 4 MR. : Monitor. 4 So, he is alwa s like, there. 5 MR. -- guy. 5 MR. : So, he is always in the 6 MR. Yes. 6 SIS room? 7 MR. • But he didn't actually 7 MR. : So, for the week, yeah. 8 work for SIS. Correct? 8 That's what he's -. He's just in the room. 9 MR. ■ ■: No. But there would have 9 MR. Okay. ■. As in, 10 been a reason why I said I'm coming back 10 11 tomorrow because somebody would have been in 11 MR. : Yes. I have a couple of 12 the office tomorrow for me to get access. 12 questions. 13 MR. : So, you believe either 13 MR. Oh, yeah. But what I -- 14 III, or one of the SIS -. So, III could gain 14 MR. (Indiscernible *00:44:50). 15 access without an SIS employee letting him in? 15 MR. -- was going to ask is 16 MR. : He has the key for the 16 if, can u check the roster for the 10th, and 17 room. 17 see if was scheduled, or IIII, or 18 MR. He did? 18 SIS 19 MR. Yes. 19 MR. : Okay. Hold on a minute. 20 MR. • All right. So, you 20 MR. : Yeah. (Indiscernible 21 believe , then, was going to be there on 21 *00:45:01). 22 Saturday, and he was going to grant you access? 22 MR. : She is listed for August 23 MR. : Somebody was going to be 23 10th. At 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on OST number 24 there to iiiiiiiiiiccess. 24 one. 25 MR. : And previously, when you 25 MR. Oh. Is that OST number EFTA00064212 77 78 1 one, is that the -? 1 MR. • : Yeah. Let me -. I don't 2 MR. : No. That's OSP-1. That's 2 see his name on the first couple of pages. 3 outside perimeter. But he still had, would 3 However, ou want to go through the rest. 4 have the key. So, he probably would have given 4 MR. : All right. So, again, 5 me access to the room. 5 the way that this reads is -. 6 MR. : And do you believe that 6 MR. I think you said, 7 you actuaiiiiiiiii with him about any of this? 7 MR. Excuse me? 8 MR. : Yeah. We spoke about it, 8 MR. is listed for phone 9 like -- 9 monitor. 10 MR. • Prior to the 10th? 10 MR. So, III is there? 11 MR. -- yeah. 11 MR. : Yeah. It looks like he 12 MR. : When would have you 12 was assigned monitor. 13 spoken with him? 13 MR. : All right. And phone 14 MR. : When I went in the room, 14 monitor would have been in the SIS room? 15 like, because he was leaving for the day, he 15 MR. : Yes. 16 was, like, well, you can't have access. I'll 16 MR. All right. And -- 17 be back tomorrow. And then, I would have came 17 MR. In the SIS room. 18 18 MR. -- and how do they -- 19 MR. Well, and what day did he 19 MR. (Indiscernible *00:47:43). 20 tell you that? On the 8th or the 9th? 20 MR. -- is that M? 21 MR. That was that Friday. 21 MR. It's . 22 MR. So, the 9th? 22 MR. Okay. Great. All right. 23 MR. Yeah. 23 So, he would have been the phone monitor. So, 24 MR. All right. Can you just 24 your understanding, then, is on the 8th, that's 25 check, was in on that Friday? 25 when it was noticed that this thing wasn't -- 79 80 1 MR. Right. 1 MR. : So -- 2 MR. • -- recording. 2 MR. M .i Not eight hours. Not 3 MR. Yes. 3 eight hours. A whole 24 hours. 4 MR. And that was by an SIS 4 MR. -- so, why wouldn't you 5 official? 5 have rebuilt them -- 6 MR.I : Mm-hmm. 6 MR. Mm-hmm. 7 MR. : Somebody, either a 7 MR. -- during the day, on the 8 8 9th, so that ou could check back in on the -- 9 MR. : Mm-hmm. 9 MR. Probably -- 10 MR. • -- or a IIII. 10 MR. -- 10th? 11 MR. Yeah. 11 MR. -- well, like I said, I 12 MR. : On the 9th, you went in 12 didn't have drives, or I was trying to get the 13 to go fix 13 drives. 14 MR. : Yes. 14 MR. Well, this says that, on 15 MR. But ou went towards the 15 the 8th, you didn't have the drives. On the 16 end of yoili_ltifts when III was leaving? 16 9th -- 17 MR. IIIIIIIII: I started doing something 17 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 before then, but it was going to be too late 18 MR. • -- he had -- 19 for the drives to rebuild, so even if I 19 MR. Yeah. 20 replaced them, it wasn't going to be, like, 20 MR. -- he did not access to 21 right away. The drives were going to start 21 the DVR -- 22 working. 22 MR. Mm-hmm. 23 MR. : Well, didn't you say that 23 MR. DVR room. 24 it took about ei ht hours for the drives to -? 24 MR. Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : A whole day. 24 hours. 25 MR. -- to replace them. EFTA00064213 81 82 1 MR. : To replace the drives. 1 I've been there. Like, why would this day be 2 Yeah. So, it was probably later, in the end of 2 different from the months leading up to it, 3 the day, I had all the drives, and I went to go 3 where this kept happening? Like, why would -. 4 replace them. And that's when I couldn't go in 4 I know Epstein happened. Everybody is trying 5 the room. 5 to say -- 6 MR. : Okay. And then, you 6 MR. : Yeah. 7 talked to at that time, and said you would 7 MR. : -- okay, this is what 8 be back on Saturday to do it? 8 happened, but before that, nobody even cared. 9 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. 9 To be honest with ou. 10 MR. All right. Now, in 10 MR. : So -- 11 talking to , she explained 11 MR. : I'm just going to be 12 that this was an extremely urgent matter, and 12 honest. Nobody cared that the drives were bad, 13 that she spoke to - she wrote a memo on it. 13 or the recordings aren't working. Oh, those 14 And she talked to the captain, and they said, 14 recorders weren't working. Okay. Fix it, 15 make sure ou et this done today. And that -- 15 And then, we will go from there. But 16 MR. : Yeah. 16 nobody, before Epstein, this was, like, a known 17 MR. : -- on the 10th, when she 17 thing. 18 saw you -- 18 MR. : Okay. 19 MR. : That sounds like -- 19 MR. : Like, the drives would go 20 MR. • -- she said -- 20 bad. There would be no video. It was no big 21 MR. -- a lot of B.S. I'm 21 deal to arallEtirLthat building. 22 sorry to sa like -- 22 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Because you said, in 23 MR. • -- okay. 23 every other institution, within the BOP -- 24 MR. -- that doesn't -. 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 Because this thing happened so many times, as 25 MR. . -- this would have been 83 84 1 very (Indiscernible *00:49:57). 1 saying that the next time she saw you, on the 2 MR. : This is a big deal. This 2 10th, and finds out that the video wasn't 3 is, like, you can't leave. You've got to stay 3 recorded, she says to you, why didn't you fix 4 here. 4 this on the 8th? 5 MR. : Well, that's what she 5 MR. : Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. 6 says, she said she actually wrote a memo, 6 And because it doesn't even take me a day to 7 provided it to the captain, both said, yes, 7 fix -. Those problems, it takes me a couple of 8 this has of to et done on the 8th. 8 days, because I have to rebuild drives. Even 9 MR. : Well, if that was the 9 when I rebuild the drive, the next day it's not 10 case, they would have gave, me access and I 10 going to work. 11 would have stayed in the building. I would 11 MR. : Right. 12 never get to go home. And that's what I've 12 MR. : It's going to take a 13 done before in my other institution. Any time 13 couple of days. And after I rebuild the 14 anything fails, or if there is a big failure, 14 drives, you have no video from the days prior. 15 you stay until it's fixed. 15 I don't even know what video you have after the 16 MR. Right. And that's where 16 drives start working. You have to go look to 17 17 see what iiiiiiiiiihave. 18 MR. : And that's what they are 18 MR. : Okay. So, again, I guess 19 doing now. 19 that's the question of, why didn't you start 20 MR. -- what we're trying to 20 working on it immediately, on the 8th? 21 reconcile. 21 MR. : Because I have no idea. 22 MR. : Yeah. 22 MR. Well -- 23 MR. Because the memo was 23 MR. : Well, I was working on it, 24 written on the 8th, provided to the captain. 24 but yeah. 25 They said, "Make sure it's fixed." She's 25 MR. -- it was -. EFTA00064214 85 86 1 MR. : But, like, it looks like, 1 MR. : Okay. 2 it was a pattern of, okay, , it's a 2 MR. : It's been happening since 3 priority, but it's not a priority. 3 I got in that building. And I was at a 4 MR. : Okay. 4 previous institution and like I said, if this 5 MR. : And for somebody to say 5 was a big deal, I wouldn't even go home. 6 they wrote a memo to the captain, like, where 6 you've got to stay for overtime. 7 is there a memos before when this happened? 7 You've got to call SigNet. I'm going to give 8 MR. And then, we'll have to 8 you the ke for the room. 9 ask, I guess -- 9 MR. : Well, that's what the 10 MR. : Yeah. 10 said that they did. Or at least 11 MR. -- (Indiscernible 11 is saying that she told you that this is 12 *00:51:16iiiiiiiiirevious memos. 12 a big deal ou've got to do it. 13 MR. : Yeah. There's got to be 13 MR. : Pfft. 14 previous memos. 14 MR. : Right now. And -- 15 MR. Okay. 15 MR. : Oh, yeah. Everybody is 16 MR. : Yeah. This is - yeah, 16 trying to cover their tracks. No. This is not 17 that right there. 17 the case. I could honestly say this is not the 18 MR. So, you don't think that 18 case. 19 that's accurate? 19 MR. • All right. 20 MR. : No. I would not say that 20 MR. : And it has never been 21 that's accurate. I'm not trying to throw 21 previous ractice before. I had a facility 22 anybody under the bus, but to say, like, this, 22 manager, (Phonetic Sp. 23 this day, like, it's bigger than any other time 23 *00:52:05),my previous facility manager, I'm, 24 it happening, like, come on, this has been 24 like, hey, the first time this happened, I 25 happening for months now. 25 remember it because it was so weird to me that 87 88 1 they told me to go home. I was, like, well, at 1 , with an -- 2 my other jail, if something wasn't working, I 2 MR. Yes. 3 couldn't leave. Like, if he radios go down, I 3 MR. -- one of the two -- 4 have to stay there until the radios are fixed. 4 MR. (Indiscernible *00:53:00). 5 Like, two months ago, the radios failed, and - 5 MR. SIS. 6 oh, three months ago - they failed in Brooklyn. 6 MR. : I talked to somebody on 7 They called me from MCC New York, to go to 7 the 8th. Yes. 8 Brooklyn to hel them with their radio system. 8 MR. And you just can't 9 MR. : Right. 9 specifically even kind of put yourself back 10 MR. : Their console. So, if 10 into that? 11 that was the case, they would have called MCC 11 MR. : No. 12 to come, if I couldn't stay to fix the problem. 12 MR. Doliiiiiemember, though, 13 So, that's never been previous practice over 13 on the 10th, saying, why 14 there. No. 14 didn't you fix this? 15 MR. Okay. 15 MR. : I was so busy with 16 MR. That's, like, that's news 16 everything else. Like, I don't even remember 17 to me. 17 that. 18 MR. Now, are you aware that 18 MR. So, you don't remember 19 the captain was notified? 19 that. 20 MR. : He probably - he should 20 MR. : No. I don't. 21 have been notified. It's the captain's 21 MR. Do ou have any reason to 22 equipment every time the camera is not 22 believe it wasn't that you 23 recording. 23 spoke with on the 8th? 24 MR. All right. So, but you 24 MR. : No. I don't believe so. 25 do recall, you did speak on the 8th with the 25 MR. You don't believe you EFTA00064215 89 90 1 spoke with her, or you don't -. 1 MR. Okay. Is there anything 2 MR. : No. I believe I spoke to 2 that I read to you, from this, on the, you 3 somebody from SIS. Because that's when who -. 3 know, on the 8th is when you determined; on the 4 If they were trying to pull video, and they 4 9th you couldn't gain access; and on the 10th 5 couldn't pull the video, that's when they would 5 is when you ained access to the DVR room -- 6 tell me, he 6 MR. Mm-hmm. 7 MR. • Right. 7 MR. -- and you attempted to 8 MR. -- there is a problem. 8 replace the drives. Does that all sound 9 But other than that 9 accurate? 10 MR. : So -- 10 MR. : That sounds accurate. 11 MR. -- there is no reason for 11 Yes. 12 me to talk to an body from SIS. 12 MR. All right. So, it is 13 MR. : So, it's a likely that it 13 that, on the 8th, you found out; the 9th, you 14 was 14 couldn't iiiiiiiiss -- 15 MR. Yes. 15 MR. : (Indiscernible *00:54:11). 16 MR. : And is it likely that, on 16 Yeah. 17 the 10th, asked you why 17 MR. : -- and the 10th -. 18 wasn't this fixed? 18 MR. M! It was all (Indiscernible 19 MR. : If she was there, yeah. 19 *00:54:15iiiiiiiii, 20 MR. : Okay. 20 MR. : Okay. So, now going 21 MR. Yeah. 21 forward, though, we can at least have a -- 22 MR. . And is it likely that you 22 MR. (Indiscernible *00:54:18). 23 told her, on the 10th, that's why I'm here 23 MR. • -- a story of -- 24 today, to fix it? 24 MR. For what happened -- 25 MR. Yes. 25 MR. -- for what it is -- 91 92 1 MR.a -- yes. Happened. 1 MR. So, yeah. So -- 2 MR. : -- that happened. So 2 MR. So, as -- 3 now, these questions might make a little more 3 MR. -- accordin 4 sense. 4 MR. -- Agent 5 MR. Okay. 5 asked, what ha ened, and when did it happen? 6 MR. And -. 6 MR. : That, you would have to 7 MR. : Hey, can I ask him 7 call. I'm not too sure the dates of 8 something? 8 everythiniiIIIIIIII 9 MR. Yeah. 9 MR. : But this is, so, this was 10 MR. Before we go. 10 the, this is the interview of you. 11 MR. : Please. 11 MR.a Mm-hmm. Yes. 12 MR. Okay. 12 MR. : So, the assumption is, 13 MR. : Please do. 13 that you are the one who provided them this 14 MR. : So, there is something 14 information. Correct? 15 contradictory in between the 302 and the 15 MR.a Yes. I am. 16 SigNet. On the 302, it states that there was a 16 MR. : So, with you telling them 17 motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 8th. 17 that a system failure of DVR-2 occurred on July 18 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 29th, 2019 -? 19 MR. : It doesn't say that the 19 MR. : I don't think I would have 20 hard drives failed. It says the hard drives 20 given them exact dates because I don't remember 21 failed on Au ust 10th. 21 when all that stuff happened, to tell you the 22 MR. . Yeah. Could you -. 22 truth. Me giving exact dates, that's, I can't 23 MR. : That's two different 23 give exact dates. 24 things. 24 MR. Okay. 25 MR. : Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : Yeah. EFTA00064216 93 94 1 MR. And then, so you think 1 SigNet. Yes. Because me and - I don't even 2 that they actually located these dates on 2 remember exact dates today. So, like, there's 3 themselves? 3 no way I could remember exact dates. 4 MR. : Yeah. They probably would 4 MR. : All right. , did 5 have to to get the exact dates. 5 you want to follow up on that? 6 MR. : So, you don't think that 6 MR. : No. I mean, yeah, it 7 this is actually the information you provided 7 comes from -. So, you're saying that the 8 them duriiiiiiiiiiterview? 8 statement in the 302 is inaccurate? 9 MR. : No. Because I wouldn't 9 MR. No. 10 have gave them -. There is no way I would have 10 MR. No. 11 had that, or remembered this. No. 11 MR. No. He's not saying 12 MR. : Okay. And then, saying 12 that's inaccurate. 13 that the motherboard failed on DVR-2, on August 13 MR. I'm saying it's accurate, 14 8th, 2019. 14 but they r•ol i,ipl found out dates. 15 MR. : That's something -. Yeah. 15 MR. : He's saying that he 16 That's information they would have got from 16 thinks that they got this information based 17 SigNet. 17 upon another source, not from him. 18 MR. : So, you don't believe 18 MR. : Not from me. 19 that this, you actually - this paragraph right 19 MR. : Okay. 20 here - that you told them? You think that they 20 MR. : Because I can't give you 21 got that information -- 21 exact dates. That's all. 22 MR. : Yeah. They probably -- 22 MR. : All right. So, there is 23 MR. -- outside of your 23 - just while we're on this 302 - there is 24 interview? 24 another part that says, "After the incident," 25 MR. -- collaborated it with 25 and that's the Epstein incident. 95 96 1 MR.a I know. 1 these new hard drives -- 2 MR. : ' was asked about 2 MR. : The two new drives, and 3 the cameras." 3 everythin would be gone. 4 MR. : Mm-hmm. 4 MR. -- everything is wiped. 5 MR. : Who asked you about the 5 MR. : So, whatever video they 6 cameras? iiiiiiiiiecall? 6 were looking for, it would be gone. So, 7 MR. : Pfft. The warden. 7 whatever iiii trying to, it would be gone. 8 Everybody. Anybody that could think about 8 MR. iiiiii: Okay. "The 9 asking me uestions asked. 9 Warden wanted video, and so was told to 10 MR. : All right. "There were 10 start workin on the system." 11 two new hard drives to install." 11 MR. : Yes. 12 MR.a Yeah. 12 MR. : So, at this time, was it 13 MR. : "But installing the new 13 prior to re lacin the new, the two new drives? 14 hard drives would mean that all prior data -- 14 MR. : Well, this time, that's 15 MR. : Yeah. 15 when I probabl started replacing the drives. 16 MR. -- would be lost. 16 MR. : But if -- 17 MR. : Lost. Yeah. You would 17 MR. Yeah. 18 lose all video. 18 MR. -- if you replaced them 19 MR. Oh. Lose all video or 19 and all recordin gets -- 20 lose all recording? 20 MR. : Wiped. 21 MR. : All the old video. Yes. 21 MR. -- wiped. 22 MR. : Oh, so, the recording of 22 MR. Yeah. 23 the old video? 23 MR. • Then how would you be 24 MR. : Yes. Yeah. 24 able to obtain the video? 25 MR. So, when you install 25 MR. : Yeah, there is no video EFTA00064217 97 98 1 obtained. 1 MR. : So, that helped explain 2 MR. : So, that's what I'm just 2 it. When you were saying the warden wanted 3 trying to make sense of what this states. So, 3 video, you're talking about from that point 4 "The Warden wanted video, so 4 forward, the video -- 5 MR. : They wanted me to start -- 5 MR. Mi The video. Yeah. 6 MR. -- was told -." 6 MR. : -- he wanted the 7 MR. -- they wanted me to start 7 recording to be working -- 8 that day recording video. We will get the 8 MR. : Yeah. He -- 9 recorder to work, though -- 9 MR. -- not the video of the 10 MR. : Oh. 10 incident. 11 MR. -- (Indiscernible 11 MR. : -- well, they wanted a 12 *00:57:52). 12 video of the incident, and the recorder to 13 MR. : Well, he didn't want 13 start working. I'm, like, there's no video, 14 video of the incident -- 14 there's nothing I could do. I can't find any 15 MR. Mi Incident. 15 video. 16 MR. : -- he wanted video to 16 MR. : Okay. 17 (Indiscernible *00:57:56). 17 MR. That recorder is gone. 18 MR. : And then, he was trying to 18 MR. : I gotcha. 19 see if there was video from the incident, and 19 MR. : So then, it was at that 20 I'm, like, there is no video. And that's when, 20 point, okay, we'll get the recorder working, 21 the next day, I find out there was a video on 21 and do whatever you got to do to get the 22 the other recorder -- 22 recorder workin . 23 MR. : Okay. 23 MR. : Okay. So, it says, 24 MR. -- that, yeah, that other 24 started removing the bad drives in 25 camera. 25 order to rebuild the DVR." 99 100 1 MR. : Yeah. 1 everything is wiped. Even if there is a video 2 MR. : Is that correct? 2 from before. You just, you're, like, out of 3 MR. Yes. 3 luck. Because it's going to -- 4 MR. : So, are you the ones that 4 MR. : Now, can you just explain 5 actually removed the two -- 5 that? What is it that they pulled? 6 MR. : The drives. 6 MR. : Two of the drives. 7 MR. -- drives? 7 MR. • They pulled the two 8 MR. Yeah. 8 drives? 9 MR. : And you -- 9 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. Because I 10 MR. And I labeled everything. 10 was -. See, what happened was, I was going to 11 Yeah. 11 start rebuilding the drives, so I labeled 12 MR. -- and you put the new, 12 everything. It was, it was the best. So, they 13 two new drives in? 13 wanted me to -. Let me if I can (Indiscernible 14 MR. : Yes. 14 *00:59:23). So, ever stopped working. I 15 MR. All right. 15 go in the room, IIIIII, you've got to get the 16 MR. : And then, the FBI came and 16 recorder working. Well, I got to pull the 17 stopped me in the middle of ever thin 17 drives out to get the recorder working. So, 18 MR. : It says, " advised 18 the two drives that I pulled out. And so, the 19 that the FBI agent was the one who pulled out 19 two old drives, and the two new drives, I 20 the DVR." 20 labeled them, because I knew that it was going 21 MR. : Yeah. Because I told 21 to be a big thing. So, I got to pay attention 22 them, if you pull out the drives, that you're 22 to what I'm doing. And then, in the midst of 23 going to have problems, there's going to be 23 all that, that's when they took the drives, and 24 corruption, because like I, like I told you 24 said, hey, we need to stop doing everything. 25 before, you pull out two drives, like, 25 MR. So, who is it that EFTA00064218 101 102 1 actually pulled the bad drives out? You or the 1 the one that was working, the next day, I had 2 FBI? 2 to get all the - well, the same day - I could 3 MR. : I pulled the bad drives 3 get all the important parts of the prison on 4 out to re lace them with good drives. Yes. 4 DVR-1, that wasn't working, on DVR-2, which I 5 MR. : And you put the two new 5 probably should have done the day before, but - 6 drives in? 6 7 MR. : Drives in. Yes. 7 MR. : So, it's DVR-2 that we're 8 MR. : So, what is it that the 8 speaking about. Correct? 9 FBI pulled? 9 MR. : Yes. That was the good 10 MR. : They pulled all the 10 drive. 11 drives. 11 MR. : Oh, DVR-2 was the good 12 MR. : So, you were rebuilding 12 drive? 13 it. And when you rebuilt it, they came in and 13 MR. : Yes. 14 they justiiiiiiiihem all out? 14 MR. : But DVR-1 wasn't. Okay. 15 MR. : Yeah. They would pull 15 So, DVR. 16 them all. 16 MR. : And what does this say? 17 MR. : So, it was never able to 17 DVR. DVR-2 is the good drive. DVR-1 is the 18 rebuild? 18 bad drive. 19 MR. : Yes. 19 MR. IIIIIIIII!: Okay. So, DVR-1 -- 20 MR. : All right. So, they 20 MR. That's not - no - that's 21 pulled all the drives. And so, when they said 21 not what you said before. You said DVR-1 was 22 the DVR. Is that different from -? 22 all good. DVR-2 went bad. 23 MR. : Yeah. The DVR because 23 MR. : Yes. 24 they pulled everything from DVR-1, and that was 24 MR. : Okay. So, DVR-2 was the 25 the one that wasn't working. And then, DVR-2, 25 bad drive. 103 104 1 MR.a Yes. 1 MR. Okay. So -- 2 MR. : So, as far as DVR-2 being 2 MR. : So, the next day, the FBI 3 the bad drive, is the DVR, is that the 16 3 took both DVR-1 and 2. 4 drives, or is there a separate box -- 4 MR. So, on the 11th, the FBI 5 MR. : No. It's the 16 drives, 5 came and ust took it all? 6 and then, you have, like, the brain, some 6 MR. They took it all. Yes. 7 motherboard, you know, the other computer on 7 MR. Everything? 8 the bottom, but -. 8 MR. Everything. 9 MR. : So, when you say, when 9 MR. All right. Okay. So, it 10 they say that the FBI agent was the one who 10 says that, " also advised that he knew 11 pulled out the DVR, you're talking about all 16 11 that, by replacing both hard drives, the system 12 12 would be wi ed. 13 MR. : All the, they probably 13 MR. : Mm-hmm. 14 pulled the -- 14 MR. : And that he had advised 15 MR. -- drives and 15 personnel at MCC of that." 16 motherboard. 16 MR. Yes. 17 MR. : -- they probably pulled -. 17 MR. : Now, when you say, 18 Yeah. They probably took all of the 18 "Wiped," it means just everything -- 19 recordings. But they had it take -. When I'm 19 MR. : It means -- 20 talking about that the next day, because we 20 MR. -- that was on it before? 21 already had the new set, when all this 21 MR. -- everything is gone. 22 happened, SigNet came the next day, and we had 22 Yes. There is no video. There's nothing. 23 the new system up and running. Everything was 23 MR. : And do you know how far 24 in boxes. So, he had to just come in and 24 that wouliiiiiiiiine back to? 25 install it. 25 MR. : No. EFTA00064219 105 106 1 MR. No? 1 MR. : Yeah, because everything 2 MR. No. 2 was on DVR-2. 3 MR. : So, was that the case, 3 MR. -- "He attempted to 4 could have we obtained video off of those -? 4 replace the drives, and he started to rebuild. 5 MR. : Other drives? Yes, before 5 During the rebuild process of the drives, the 6 I started rebuilding. Yes. But that's what I 6 drives were required to be taken out of raid on 7 was told to do. So, that's what I was 7 DVR-2." 8 (Indiscernible *01:02:17). 8 MR. : Yeah. I would say on DVR- 9 MR. : So, just explain that. 9 2. I'm sorr confused. 10 What could have vie got off of it? And you're 10 MR. : All right. So, DVR-2 is 11 talking about DVR-2 now, the bad drive. Right? 11 the bad drive -- 12 MR. DVR-1 is the bad drive. 12 MR. : The bad drive. Yes. 13 MR. a : So, this is where I'm 13 MR. All right. So, on DVR-2, 14 getting confused. I thought we just said that 14 the bad drive -- 15 DVR-2 is the bad drive. I've got to get this 15 MR. Yeah. 16 straight. , you just - I thought we 16 MR. -- could video have been 17 said, we did say that, but then you just chimed 17 obtained? 18 in and said it was DVR-2 that was bad. Which 18 MR. : Yes, before I started 19 one was it? DVR-1 or 2 that was bad? 19 doing anythin 20 MR. : DVR-1 is bad. 20 MR. : So, prior to you pulling 21 MR. : In the initial part of the 21 them out, vie may have been able to obtain video 22 interview, he stated that DVR-2 went bad, and 22 from the 9th? 23 DVR-1 drives were all good. 23 MR. : Hmm. No. 24 MR. All right. Because yeah, 24 MR. : August 9th? 25 on the thing, it says -- 25 MR. : No. Because it wasn't 107 108 1 recording. 1 MR. Yes. 2 MR. All right. 2 MR. -- were pulled -- 3 MR. Because you had two bad 3 MR. : Pulled. Yes. That was a 4 drives. 4 5 MR. So, what video are you 5 MR. -- that possibility 6 talking about when we said we could have 6 became -- 7 obtained video? 7 MR. : Yeah. 8 MR. : Oh, well, saying that 8 MR. • -- impossible. 9 stuff there is a possibility in the background, 9 MR. It was gone. Yes. 10 even if you have two bad drives that stuff 10 MR. All right. Now, are 11 could have been recording over it, but that's 11 those two drives, are you -? When the SIS 12 their technical jazz. Like, I don't know 12 official told you on the 8th that they weren't 13 anything about that. 13 able to go back - 14 MR. So, in saying that -- 14 MR. : To do. 15 MR. But saying that -. 15 MR. -- and review the video - 16 MR. -- it sounds like, okay, 16 17 it is possible that we could have gotten video 17 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 18 MR. • -- if something was 19 MR.a Video. 19 recording in the background, would you have 20 MR. : -- for August 9th and 20 been - you know, like you were talking about, 21 10th. 21 there is a possibility - would you have been 22 MR. : Yes. It is a possibility. 22 able to tell at that time? 23 Not a strpappil2ility, but yeah. 23 MR. : No. I wouldn't have been 24 MR. IIIIIIIIII: So, it is possible, but 24 able to tell. That's something SigNet would 25 once the two drives -- 25 have, or some expert, video expert, would have EFTA00064220 109 110 1 1 tell anybody that, but that was -. I think 2 MR. . All right. 2 that's something I found out later. Because 3 MR. That's nothing above me. 3 that's when SigNet was talking to me. But 4 MR. : Was your only course of 4 that's not something I would have known before 5 action to re lace those two bad drives? 5 Epstein. 6 MR. : Yes. 6 MR. : All right. 7 MR. • So, would, regardless, 7 MR. la Because that was something 8 that video have been, at some point, deleted? 8 we talked about, like, the days after that 9 MR. a Yes. 9 happened. 10 MR. : And you were -. Who 10 MR. : Because this 302 says, 11 instructed you to actually pull out those bad 11 " advised that an Fg122ent was the one 12 drives? 12 who pulled out the DVR. also advised 13 MR. : I would just have to - 13 that he knew that, by replacing both hard 14 (Indiscernible *01:04:53) to SigNet, or -. 14 drives, the system would be wiped, and that he 15 Well, and I told SIS this before, like, if I 15 had advised ersonnel at MCC of that." 16 pulled two drives, there is no video, 16 MR. : Mm-hmm. There would be no 17 especiall if it was bad. 17 video. 18 MR. : Did you talk to anybody 18 MR. : When did you do that? 19 on August 10th, prior to pulling them, that 19 MR. la Before I started doing 20 there was a possibility that video of the 20 anything. If I'm going to change drives, 21 Epstein incident could have been retrieved? 21 you're going to know, like, it's -. Because I 22 MR. : No. 22 know this was going to be bigger than just me 23 MR. : So, you didn't tell 23 fixing the recorders. Like, there is other 24 anybody that? 24 things that are going to happen, but I'm going 25 MR. : I'm not saying I didn't 25 to tell you, hey, if I do this, this is what's 111 112 1 going to ha en. 1 2 MR. : But I thought you just 2 MR. -- going in the 3 said that that's something you found out later. 3 background. 4 MR. : Later. But no, as far as 4 MR. -- in the background. 5 there bein video on the background. 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. Oh. 6 MR. And once the DVR, that 7 MR. Yeah. As far as -- 7 the two dri ves were pulled, that possibility 8 MR. So -. 8 became -- 9 MR. -- me pulling out the 9 MR. Became an impossibility. 10 drives, I already knew that before because 10 MR. • -- an impossibility. 11 that's what happened the last time, when I 11 MR. Yes. 12 replaced two drives, that there was no old 12 MR. Okay. Before we move on 13 video. It was ust the new video. 13 from that, did anybody want to clarify any of 14 MR. : So, on the 10th, your 14 that? 15 understanding, that there was no video from the 15 MR. : Yeah. 16 9th -- 16 What -- 17 MR. : Or the 10th. 17 : Go ahead. 18 MR. • -- or 10th. 18 -- technically, when you pull 19 MR. : Yes. That was my 19 a drive -- 20 iiiiiiiiii understandin 20 MR. : Mm-hmm. 21 MR. : So, therefore, yeah, and 21 • -- like, what happens? It 22 at that time, you didn't know that there was a 22 might be a technical question. 23 possibilit -- 23 MR. Yeah. 24 MR. : Possibility -- 24 : Like, how does everything 25 MR. : If things were recording 25 wipe? Is that -? EFTA00064221 113 114 1 MR. : Oh, well, it's, like, 1 MR. : And then, when they both 2 looking for ones and zeros, and if nothing is 2 die, .lo edone. 3 lined up, from what the SigNet explained to me, 3 : Gotcha. And there's no way to 4 if one drive being bad is not really a problem, 4 recover an 5 because the other drives are going to -. It's 5 : Well, at the time, they 6 the redundant. So, it's the backup, it's going 6 told me no, and then they said, well, there is 7 to take over for that drive that's not working. 7 a possibility that it could have been recording 8 Okay. 8 9 MR. : But now, since this drive 9 eah. 10 is not working, and this one that's working is 10 MR. IIIIIIIII: -- in the background, 11 taking, any drive is taking over for this 11 after the fact. 12 drive, and that drive goes bad, that means we 12 ME.kay. 13 have two bad drives. That means nothing is 13 MR. : But that was something 14 going to be recording. 14 more technical than my understanding, because 15 : So, they work in conjunction - 15 of the time, if something goes bad, just, you 16 16 know, take the drives out, put it in. And 17 MR. : Yeah. 17 then, this became a bigger thing. So now, 18 -- with the other one? 18 we're, like, well, there was still kind of a 19 MR. : Yeah. 19 possibility that more things would have been 20 But the death of -- 20 happening. From my understanding. That's what 21 MR. : The redundant. 21 SigNet told me. 22 - the death of one -- 22 Okay. 23 ■ MR. : (Indiscernible *01:07:27). 23 MR. : All right. And then, for 24 -- is (Indiscernible 24 clarity purposes, when - again, on the 8th, you 25 *01:07:25). Gotcha. 25 found out that this was an issue, and that you 115 116 1 had to re lace the drives -- 1 have the drives and not you? 2 MR. : Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : Because he has all the 3 MR. : -- when did you obtain 3 hard drives in the building. Like, me having 4 the new drives? 4 the hard drives is not part of my job 5 MR. : It had to be some time 5 description. But -- 6 during that day or the next day. I probably 6 MR. : All right. So -- 7 was lookin for drives, because if I -- 7 MR. la -- I could have them, but 8 MR. Because you said -- 8 he's got more, like, readily available ones. 9 MR. -- if I knew -- 9 And everything that I had was from the old 10 MR. -- you got them, and you 10 stuff that wasn't working from before. 11 got them from the CSM? 11 MR. : Okay. 12 MR. : Yeah. 12 MR. M! So, if I pulled something 13 MR. Okay. And you just don't 13 from that, something that wasn't working 14 know if that, you got them from CSM on the 8th 14 before, I don't know if it was bad. That's why 15 or the 9th? 15 it's on the shelf. Because nothing was labeled 16 MR. : The 9th. Yeah. I know I 16 bad. It was just on the shelf. That's, it was 17 got some drives from him before because we've 17 a mess, that whole area was a mess. 18 gotten, I've gotten old drives from him before. 18 MR. Okay. Where was his 19 And I know we've ordered drives. I'm not too 19 equipment stored? 20 sure if I ordered a whole bunch of drives to 20 MR. Oh, the CSM? 21 just replace all 16, or whatever, how many are 21 MR. Yes. 22 in the raid. But we were, that was going to be 22 MR. His is in the server room. 23 the next iiiiiiiiigust rebuild everything. 23 MR. Is that within the SIS, 24 MR. : Now, if it was your 24 near the -? 25 project, and you are the camera guy, why did he 25 MR. : No. That's downstairs, in EFTA00064222 117 118 1 the first floor. 1 IIII. Unable to locate anything official -- 2 MR. Okay. So, the server 2 MR. Mm-hmm. 3 room is in the computer server room? 3 MR. : -- the basic steps are as 4 MR. : Yes. Yeah. 4 follows. Set the raid level -- 5 MR. • Nothing to do with the 5 MR. Mi Oh huh. 6 cameras? 6 MR. : -- it none and save. It 7 MR. : No. 7 will -." So, what is going on here? What are 8 MR. All right. So, you would 8 these instructions? This is supposed to be 9 have had to have one to him -- 9 specific to this incident. 10 MR. : Gone up to him -- 10 MR. : Mm-hmm. 11 MR. -- within the -? 11 MR. Do you follow what's 12 MR. -- with the, yeah, at the 12 going on there? 13 time, like, hey, , you got some drives? I 13 MR. : Yeah. Oh, so, I called 14 don't haviiiiiiiiiies. 14 them on Thursday. And I probably started to 15 MR. : Okay. So, what -? Can 15 rebuild on Friday. But I couldn't do the 16 you just explain what steps it is? You found 16 rebuild 17 out on the 8th. What steps did you take in 17 MR. : So, you called them on 18 order to resolve this issue? Do you know if 18 Thursday?__412Ia_to obtain the instructions? 19 you -? Did you call SigNet on the 8th, or did 19 MR. IIIIIIIII: I already knew what I had 20 you call them on the 10th? Because the way 20 to do. I always just call them to make sure 21 that this -. The way that this reads, just 21 I'm doing ever right. 22 look at these comments. It says this comment 22 MR. : All right. So, on 23 was made on the 8th, at 3:38 p.m. -- 23 Thursday, ou called them. 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 25 MR. . -- and where it says, "Hi 25 MR. : And are these 119 120 1 instructions that I'm looking at, though, on 1 MR.a Okay. 2 this comment from August 8th, 2019, at 3:38 2 MR. : All right. And do you 3 p.m.? 3 know when you would have received those 4 MR. : Yeah. It looks like 4 instructions? Would it have been on the 8th? 5 that's right. When I - that's where I do the 5 MR.ai Yes. 6 rebuild, probably. Those are probably the 6 MR. : Okay. And you're saying, 7 instructions to do the rebuild. 7 the reason why you didn't do it on the 8th is 8 MR. . Yeah. 8 because -- 9 MR. For two drives. 9 MR. I didn't have the drives. 10 MR. : And do ou understand who 10 MR. -- you didn't have the 11 it's - when it says, "Hi IIII. Unable to 11 drives -- 12 locate anything official." - do you know who it 12 MR. : Uh-huh. 13 is that is talkin there? 13 MR. -- to do it? 14 MR. : It could be 14 MR. Yeah. 15 or 15 MR. All right. So then, on 16 MR. : Hey. Can I -- 16 the 9th, 17 MR. : That was 17 MR. The drives. 18 MR. -- can I clarify that? 18 MR. -- the drives? 19 Because I didn't -. We know that that comment 19 MR. Yes. 20 right there is by (Phonetic Sp. 20 MR. • But you got them later in 21 *01:11:18). He's a Qognify support engineer. 21 the day -- 22 MR. : Okay. 22 MR. Late. 23 MR. : And that's the 23 MR. -- is what you're saying? 24 instructions that he provided to give you 24 MR. Yes. And I didn't have 25 MR. Okay. 25 access to go in room. EFTA00064223 121 122 1 MR. And III told you that you 1 is it on the 9th? 2 2 MR. -- it's always been the 3 MR. : Can't go in there. 3 evidence room. 4 MR. -- couldn't be in there? 4 MR. Because she said, yeah -- 5 MR. Yes. 5 MR. It's not going to be -- 6 MR. And do you specifically 6 MR. -- she said there were 7 recall being the one who said you can't 7 files in but there's no evidence. 8 come in here? 8 MR. : Yeah. Every contraband 9 MR. : Well, he's just, like, if 9 they get from inmates, that's where they store 10 I'm gone for the day, there was nobody else 10 everythi n 11 there. He was the only one with the key. 11 MR. In that area? 12 MR. : So, again, if we speak to 12 MR. In that area. Yes. 13 him, is he going to say, yeah, I told him he 13 MR. Where the -? 14 can't come in? 14 MR. : Yes. And if you go there 15 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. He knows I 15 16 can't come in. Because it's the evidence room, 16 MR. Where (Indiscernible 17 too. So,i(eat 17 *01:12:28). 18 MR. : Yeah. We talked to SIS 18 MR. • -- right now, there's 19 about that. She said there was not an 19 still, there's junk in there. It's not just a 20 evidence room in there. 20 video room. That's the biggest problem that I 21 MR. : It's still an evidence 21 had with this whole thing, was that at other 22 room right now. If you go there. 22 institutions, when you have a video room, you 23 MR. • Mm-hmm. 23 just have a video room. There is nothing else 24 MR. That's where I -- 24 in there. There's just the com techs. You go 25 MR. Well, maybe now, but what 25 in, you do whatever you got to do, you come 123 124 1 out. There should not be anything else mixed 1 say you didn't have access to the room, you are 2 with the room. 2 saying you didn't have access to the room after 3 MR. • Okay. 3 3:00 p.m.? 4 MR. : And up to this day, there 4 MR. Yes. 5 is still evidence and garbage in that room. 5 MR. And you -- 6 MR. . Okay. 6 MR. Or whatever time. 7 MR. : So, it is not a video 7 MR. -- because usually -- 8 room. 8 MR. Yeah. 9 MR. Can you just look on the 9 MR. -- your shift was from 10 9th, what time did work until? 10 6:00 a.m. 11 MR. Hold on. 11 MR. 6:00 -- 12 MR. Did you say 7:00 to -- 12 MR. -- 2:00 p.m. 13 MR. : On the 9th. Bear with me. 13 MR. -- 2:00 -- 14 Nine. So, this falls under either 7:00 to 14 MR. Correct? 15 3:00, or 8:00 to 4:00. 15 MR. : -- yeah, but I was doing a 16 MR. : Okay. 16 project. So, I don't know what overtime. I 17 MR. W. So, it was later than me 17 was probably doing overtime. So, I was working 18 staying for -. And you could just check my 18 maybe 12 bana_1§_hours. 19 overtime, too, to see what time I stayed. So, 19 MR. IIIIIIIIII: And this is just one of 20 if I did overtime that day. 20 those things we're going to have really 21 MR. : All right. But point 21 reconcile here, because -- 22 being, is you didn't go in and fix them on that 22 MR. Mi Mm-hmm. 23 day? 23 MR. : -- of the, you know, this 24 MR. No. 24 is such alai" of this thing -- 25 MR. : All right. So, when you 25 MR. : Mm-hmm. EFTA00064224 125 126 1 MR. -- that we don't have a 1 Yeah. Yeah. 2 video. Why didn't you, from 6:00 to 2:00, fix 2 MR. But you could have gained 3 this thiniiIIIIIII 3 access between -- 4 MR. : Because I was doing other 4 MR. : 6:00. 5 things. This wasn't -. This was a priority, 5 MR. -- at least when he was 6 but, and the fact, like I said, this was not, 6 working there, 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. 7 like, the main priority in the building. Oh, 7 MR. Yes. 8 the recorders aren't working? Okay. Well, all 8 MR. But you just didn't? 9 right, it's not, like, oh, not, this is what 9 MR. No. 10 you have to make. Now, after Epstein, like, 10 MR. Okay. When you -- 11 oh, this is the main thing you have to focus on 11 MR. I have a few questions. 12 for the 12 MR. yup. Co ahead. 13 MR. : Okay. So, you didn't get 13 MR. : I have a question. I know 14 to it until after you took care of a bunch of - 14 you might have actually answered this question, 15 15 but just I, I probably didn't hear it. But you 16 MR. : Other stuff. 16 said that you spoke to MCC personnel about the 17 MR. • -- other stuff. 17 date of (Indiscernible *01:14:57). Who 18 MR. Yes. 18 specificaiiiiiiiliou speak to? 19 MR. : And by the time you got 19 MR. : It would be somebody in 20 to it, at the end of your shift, basically, it 20 SIS. 21 sounds like? 21 MR. : It would be somebody 22 MR. : Yes. 22 where? 23 MR. : That there wasn't enough 23 MR. : Or I'm pretty sure I told 24 time to do it? 24 the warden, too, because this was a big deal. 25 MR. : (Indiscernible *01:14:30). 25 That on the, on that Saturday, when everything 127 128 1 happened, like, you know, if I pulled these, 1 of that. 2 there's goin to be no video at all. 2 MR. But again, he explained - 3 MR. : And is this the 3 4 conversation directly with the captain? 4 MR. : And do you -. 5 MR. : No. This would have been 5 MR. • -- that it was his 6 the warden, or SIS. I really didn't see the 6 understanding that there was nothing on there, 7 captain that day. I don't remember seeing the 7 anyway. He didn't find out until later that 8 captain or talkin to the captain. 8 there could have been some background. 9 MR. : Was this a big -- 9 MR. : Okay. And then, the final 10 MR. : I would just -- 10 question is, when the FBI agent that came in, 11 MR. -- sorry. 11 do you remember who that FBI agent was that you 12 MR. -- that day -- 12 spoke to? 13 MR. -- this was a big 13 MR. : No. I don't remember his 14 conversation. 14 name. 15 MR. : -- yeah, when -- 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : Yeah. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 MR. : -- everybody was asking me 17 MR. : And you told him 18 questions. It was mainly SIS and the warden I 18 specifically that, hey, listen, I pulled two 19 was dealing with. I wasn't really dealing with 19 drives -- 20 anybody else. 20 MR. Two drives. Yeah. 21 MR. : But you don't recall 21 MR. -- and it's in the process 22 exactly who you told, hey, I'm about to pull 22 of being rebuilt? 23 the drives but will be wiped? 23 MR. : Yes. 24 MR. I'm not too sure. But 24 MR. : And you advised him that, 25 either the SIS or the warden. I'm pretty sure 25 if they pulled the drives, at that point. EFTA00064225 129 130 1 MR. : That they were going to be 1 MR. -- of it. 2 - yes. And I was on the phone with SigNet when 2 MR. Yes. 3 this was going on. So, I could tell them 3 MR. : Is that correct? 4 exactly wiiiiiiiiiiing on. 4 MR. Yes. 5 MR. : Well, let me clarify 5 MR. : So, does that help 6 that, then, because you said that you pulled 6 clarify that 7 the two drives, and that would have wiped the 7 MR. : Yeah. Now, the last part 8 system, but you said the FBI came in and just 8 to this, I emailed you guys a snippet. Based 9 took ever thin 9 on the FBI's analysis, it looks like, they 10 MR. : Yeah, they took -- 10 indicated that there was a catastrophic disc 11 MR. : So -- 11 failures in their raid. And no reportings 12 MR. -- took everything. Yes. 12 would have been available after 7/29. 13 MR. -- so, they didn't pull 13 MR. : Mm-hmm. 14 the two drives. 14 MR. : You mentioned earlier in 15 MR. : Drives. 15 the interview that there was a motherboard 16 MR. : They pulled it all? 16 failure. 17 MR. All. Yes. 17 MR. : Yes. That was another 18 MR. : You said the -. They 18 time. 19 took all -- 19 MR. : But that happened around 20 MR. Yes. 20 July. That's what you initially mentioned. 21 MR. DVR-2 on the 10th -- 21 MR. : I have -. If that's what 22 MR. Well, all the -- 22 I said, then yes. But -. 23 MR. -- and they came back on 23 MR. : So, and you said the only 24 the 11th, took the rest -- 24 way you could have corrected that situation 25 MR. : The rest of it. 25 would have been that, you went in, and you 131 132 1 verified that by reviewing, going back and 1 MR. MI It says, 2 reviewing old footage, to see that the cameras 2 MR. -- (Indiscernible 3 were workin 3 *01:18:31 4 MR. : Yes. 4 MR. 5 MR. : And are you sure that you 5 MR. Go ahead. 6 did that? Because according to the FBI, based 6 MR. and Com uter 7 on their analysis, it looks like there was a 7 Scientist, , "were 8 catastrophic disc failures, and there is 8 provided access to the beginning sectors of the 9 nowhere, recordings in there since 7/29 anyway. 9 16 drives, to see if the structure would 10 MR. : I'm going to read you 10 indicate clues of a possible rebuild. None 11 what this sa s. 11 were apparent." So, what it is saying is that, 12 MR. : Okay. 12 and you could read the specific language, this 13 MR. : It says, "On," it looks 13 would be, like, but what it is saying is that - 14 like it would have been in September 18th, 14 15 2019, "A meeting was conducted with DVR vendor, 15 MR. a Yeah. 16 technical support representative, 16 MR. : -- on the 29th, nothing - 17 , of SigNet Technologies. 17 18 provided an overview of the operation of the 18 MR. : Had been recorded. 19 system. A review of the DVR-2 controller logs 19 MR. • -- had recorded. 20 b and Senior Advisor, 20 MR. Yes. 21 "indicated that there had been 21 MR. Prior to that, it sounded 22 catastrophic disc failures in the array, and no, 22 like you were, like, there is no possible that 23 recordings would have been available after 23 that could have happened. I would have known. 24 7/29/2019." 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : So, on the -- 25 MR. So -- EFTA00064226 133 134 1 MR. Yeah. 1 29th. And if this happened around July 29th, 2 MR. -- now, when you're 2 are you sure that you went in and you verified 3 seeing them, and did they go in and they look 3 that the cameras were actually operating? It 4 at this, does that seem like they would be 4 was actuaiiiiiiiiiding? 5 right, record after 7/29? 5 MR. : Yes. I would have to 6 MR. : Yes. They're the experts. 6 verify evieriiiiiiwas recording. 7 So, they would know that nothing recorded. 7 MR. : Now, if it was recording, 8 MR. : All right. So, from 7/29 8 how was it that, based on their analysis of 9 to 2019, nothing recorded, but this is the 9 this stuff, that there is no recordings in the 10 first time ou are hearing of it? 10 system after 7 20 2019? 11 MR. : Yes. That is the first 11 MR. : The way I was taught to 12 time I'm iiiiiiiiiiout that. 12 look at the system, was to look at the Nice 13 MR. : And during the FBI 13 Vision, and if I saw the red lights, like, the 14 interview, that's not something they discussed 14 system is recording. But then, I found out 15 with you? 15 later, the red lights on the system recording, 16 MR. : No. Nobody told me that 16 the way I was looking at it, it doesn't mean 17 was on the 29th. That that's the first time. 17 that there was actual video recording. That's 18 That's the first time I've heard that. 18 something that told me later. 19 MR. : Okay. Sorry, . Do 19 MR. : All right. But then, that 20 you want iiiiiiiiiad? 20 contradicts what you stated earlier. Earlier, 21 MR. : Yeah. You mentioned that, 21 you stated that you actually went back in, and 22 earlier in the interview, I might have - based 22 you reviewed -- 23 on my notes here - that you did a motherboard 23 MR. Yeah. 24 rebuilt, and there was (Indiscernible 24 MR. -- older footage. 25 *01:19:44) could have happened around July 25 MR. I would have to look for 135 136 1 video. Yes. 1 (Indiscernible *01:21:18) comment by the FBI 2 MR. : But now, it's different. 2 report -- 3 Now, you're stating that you went back in, and 3 MR. : Yes. 4 you just looked to see if there was, like, a 4 MR. : -- there was no recording 5 dot -- 5 for you to o back and pull back -- 6 MR. : No, no. 6 MR. : Back. Yes. 7 MR. : -- to see if it was 7 MR. -- (Indiscernible 8 recording. 8 *01:21:21). 9 MR. : I'm saying, I did both. I 9 MR. : Because it happened 29th. 10 would have looked to see if there was video, 10 So, there must have been video that I pulled 11 and then I would have looked to see that I got 11 back from maybe before the 29th. When I was 12 the red lights, that everything was recording. 12 looking at it. 13 The initial thing to do is to look to see a red 13 MR. : So, what you're saying is 14 lights, that those are working. And then, the 14 that, you reviewed the, you fixed the 15 next thing was to do was to pull back to see if 15 motherboard, but when you checked to see the 16 there was video. Now, SigNet told me later, 16 video was recording, you didn't check to see if 17 after all of this happened, even on the new 17 video was recording from the time you checked 18 recorder that we have, the red lights that 18 the -- 19 show, it don't mean that anything is recording. 19 MR. a No. 20 The system is not recording. You would have to 20 MR. : -- fixed the motherboard 21 go pull video from, like, a week before, or two 21 22 weeks before, to see if there was a failure. 22 MR. Mi No. 23 But you would not know, like, looking at it, 23 MR. : -- to the time that you 24 that theriiiiiiiiiroblem. 24 checked it, you checked previous to the time 25 MR. : Okay. But you 25 you fixed -- EFTA00064227 137 138 1 MR. Yes. 1 MR. To -. 2 MR. . -- the motherboard. 2 MR. -- to the time -- 3 MR. Yes. 3 MR. That I checked. 4 MR. : So, therefore, you 4 MR. -- that you checked. 5 wouldn't have known -- 5 MR. Yeah. 6 MR. : Known that. 6 MR. : Needed to be that 7 MR. -- that it wasn't -- 7 recording. 8 MR. Yeah. 8 MR. Yes. 9 MR. -- recording -- 9 MR. : And you didn't do that? 10 MR. It wasn't recording. 10 MR. There was no video. So. 11 MR. -- at that point. 11 MR. : But are we certain -- 12 MR. : Yeah. I wouldn't have 12 MR. : There was no. 13 known that. I was just under the assumption 13 MR. . -- that July 29th, 2019 14 that everything, because I saw the video from 14 would have been the day that you fixed the 15 before. 15 motherboard? That's what this information 16 MR. : So, you saw -- 16 says, but it says the motherboard failed on 17 MR. That it was working. 17 that day, at least, but we don't know that 18 MR. -- the video from before, 18 specifically, that that's the day that you 19 but you would have seen that anyway -- 19 tried to fix it or do we? 20 MR.Mi Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : No. 21 MR. : -- what you needed to do, 21 MR. : Because the only other 22 actually, was check -- 22 service request I have for 2019 is this one on 23 MR. : Check. 23 February 28th, 2019. Would have they put in a 24 MR. -- from the point that 24 service request if you were fixing the 25 you fixed it -- 25 motherboard? 139 140 1 MR. : I would have -. I had the 1 MR. Can you tell me, this 2 emails before, maybe with , with the 2 service request number, 22855, it says, date 3 motherboard. 3 created Februar 28th, 2019. It was a 4 MR. You do? 4 , and 5 MR. Yeah. 5 again. By looking at this, can you tell me 6 MR. Could that -- 6 what it was -? This is the only other one we 7 MR. Because I have the -- 7 could we could we've received with that -- 8 MR. -- can that be the third 8 MR. (Indiscernible *01:23:38). 9 thing we ask ou for 9 MR. : -- from that calendar 10 MR. . -- because I had -- 10 year. Can you tell me what that would have had 11 MR. • -- if you could get us 11 to do with? 12 those emails? 12 MR. : Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 MR. : we have to get it from 13 Okay. Rebuilt the raid. So, there was a -. 14 another jail, because they didn't have it. And 14 It doesn'..r.hat drive or anything. Right? 15 he was the one that walked me through because I 15 MR. : I don't know. I'm asking 16 had to -. He walked me through and I'm, like, 16 you. Because if it's not as detailed as this 17 one of their engineers had to walk me through 17 other one, it's kind of looks like more 18 how to pull that thing out. The motherboard. 18 instruction type things. 19 MR. : All right. Can you give 19 MR. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. 20 me all your emails from and 20 MR. Because you said that the 21 ? and 21 drives had bad in the past -- 22 MR. Mm-hmm. 22 MR. Yes. 23 MR. : That will be the third 23 MR. • -- and you knew that they 24 thing ask. Is that okay? 24 would do 25 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : Again. EFTA00064228 141 142 1 MR. Is this what you're 1 would go bad -- 2 talking about? Is this February 20 -- 2 MR. Bad again. 3 MR. Mi Yes. 3 MR. -- again in the future. 4 MR. : 28th, would that have 4 MR. Yes. 5 been when the drives went bad last time? 5 MR. Is this the last event 6 MR. : The last time. Yes. And 6 that, when they went bad? And the reason why 7 it probabl went bad a time before that, also. 7 they would have told you that information. 8 MR. : But on this date, is that 8 MR. : If that's when I called 9 when you said that you had previously ordered 9 them. That probably would have been the last 10 the new drives -- 10 event. 11 MR. : Yeah. 11 MR. Okay. 12 MR. -- based upn -- 12 MR. Yeah. 13 MR. : No. This would have been 13 MR. So, earlier that year. 14 14 MR. Yeah. 15 MR. -- (Indiscernible 15 MR. Okay. So, approximately 16 *01:24:23). 16 six months before. Okay. And that's why you 17 MR. : -- it would have been a 17 would have ordered the new drives, though, and 18 little bit later on, I ordered the drives. It 18 had them on hand? 19 would have been before all of this happened, 19 MR. Yes. 20 that I ordered -. 20 MR. Okay. lust before we -. 21 MR. : But point being, is you 21 Can you just initial and date these before we 22 told us that the reason why you ordered them is 22 continue moving on? I just -. Wait. We have 23 because that it had gone bad in the past -- 23 -. As you know, we have everyone initial and 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 24 date thesiiiiiiiii 25 MR. . -- and they told you it 25 MR. : Mm-hmm. 143 144 1 MR. So we know what it is 1 MR. -- that didn't actually 2 that we're talkin about, for the future. 2 occur on Au ust 8th. That was just your -- 3 MR. : Mm-hmm. 3 MR. Mm-hmm. 4 MR. : I mean, the date is -- 4 MR. -- your experience had 5 MR. : Mm-hmm. 5 taught yoiliiiiiiiu could fix it the next day? 6 MR. • -- again, September 29th, 6 MR. : The next day. Just come 7 2021. And I'm making sure, making sure we have 7 in the 8 those. Let me see what else. All right. So, 8 MR. : Okay. But no one 9 when you realized that you could not resolve 9 actually told ou to come in the next day? 10 the recording issue on August 8th, 2019, did 10 MR. : Hmm-mm. No. 11 you notif an one that you needed more time? 11 MR. : Okay. Was it your 12 MR. : No. 12 understanding about how important it was that 13 MR. : No. And why didn't you? 13 the camera issue was resolved before you went 14 So, if the SIS told you, hey, we need this 14 home? 15 fixed, wh didn't you notify him that it -- 15 MR. : Pfft. At that 16 MR. : past -- 16 institution? N 17 MR. • -- could (Indiscernible 17 MR. No? 18 *01:26:14 18 MR. : It was never made clear to 19 MR. -- practice, so just go 19 me, like, this was important. Because this 20 home, . It's not that important. You 20 happened, like I said, numerous times before. 21 will come back tomorrow, and deal with it 21 MR. : Okay. 22 tomorrow. 22 MR. : Yes. 23 MR. That was past practice. 23 MR. : So, when SIS 24 But not -- 24 says that it was her understanding that 25 MR. : Yes. 25 she told you that it was not only important, EFTA00064229 145 146 1 but it had to be fixed on the 8th, you -- 1 back there working. They wouldn't really know 2 MR. : Yeah, because -- 2 how intense or what I was doing. 3 MR. -- (Indiscernible 3 MR. All right. So, she would 4 *01:26:56). 4 have said sure -- 5 MR. : -- if this happened before 5 MR. : Mm-hmm. 6 and I was fixing stuff, it wasn't like I fixed 6 MR. -- you fix this -- 7 it that day, and it works that day. It takes a 7 MR. Fix this. 8 couple of days. It's not going to -. And me 8 MR. -- and you would have - 9 magically (Indiscernible *01:27:04) my fingers. 9 MR. And I -- 10 Like, I go in the room and I just fix it, and 10 MR. -- started -- 11 it starts_1112filing. That's not the case. 11 MR. -- fixing it -- 12 MR. IIIIIIIIII: All right. Would have 12 MR. -- working on it -- 13 you, then, told her, though, I will get on it 13 MR. : -- yeah, but it wouldn't 14 immediate) -- 14 have been fixed that day. No. 15 MR. : Yeah. 15 MR. Gotcha. And what 16 MR. : -- but in your mind, you 16 instructions did you receive from 17 knew it would take a few days, but she didn't 17 , IIII, or regarding 18 know that? Would that be a possible scenario 18 the cameras, the camera issue being resolved 19 to that? 19 ASAP? 20 MR. : That's a possibility. 20 MR. : I can't recall, but I 21 They might not know how long it would take me 21 don't really ever believe anybody tells me 22 to fix stuff. 22 anything. (Indiscernible *01:27:53) resolved 23 MR. Did you tell them how 23 ASAP. With the recordings. I've never -. 24 long it would take? 24 MR. : Hmm. 01,:iwhat we 25 MR. : They just would see me 25 have is, it says, you know, " 147 148 1 spoke with the Captain and wrote a memo 1 that she did tell you that it needed to be 2 regarding cameras not working. 2 resolved ASAP. You did say, I'll work overtime 3 told her the issue must be resolved ASAP. She 3 to fix it. But you just weren't meaning that 4 relayed that to , and agreed to 4 you were going to fix it that same day? 5 work overtime to resolve that." Does that -? 5 MR. : Hmm. No. That -- 6 MR.Mi l The same day? 6 MR. Is it -- 7 MR. : Well, she said that she 7 MR. -- yeah. I won't. 8 thought it was going to be resolved the same 8 MR. • -- is that correct, the 9 day, but she said that you agreed to work 9 way I said that? 10 overtime. So, it sounds like there was some 10 MR. : It wouldn't have been 11 miscommunication -- 11 fixed that same da . So -- 12 MR. : Miscommunication. Yeah. 12 MR. That's what I mean. 13 It was a miscommunication. They already knew I 13 MR. . -- yeah. (Indiscernible 14 was working on the project. I was going to be 14 *01:29:05). It wouldn't have -. There is no 15 there. So. 15 way it would have been fixed that same day. 16 MR. So, were you already -. 16 MR. : So, she would have 17 And you said ou were already working overtime. 17 understood you're staying that same day, 18 MR. : Yes. 18 overtime, to fix it. 19 MR. : On other things. 19 MR. : But I, how would I stay if 20 MR. On things. Yes. 20 I don't have access to the room? That's my 21 MR. • And you had TDY people -- 21 question. 22 MR. People with me. 22 MR. : Well, she said that she 23 MR. • -- with you? 23 spoke witiiiiiiiiithe room. 24 MR. Yes. 24 MR. : In the room. Yeah. But 25 MR. So, does it sound to you 25 after she leaves, after they leave, I don't EFTA00064230 149 150 1 have access to the room. So, how could I stay 1 tell me, whoever was in charge, would hey, 2 in the room when I don't have access to it? 2 like, , this is, you need to stay and, 3 MR. : Right. And then, the 3 you know, I couldn't just, like, I'm going to 4 following day, when you did come back, and you 4 stay. Like, no. 5 did have access, you actually just didn't go 5 MR. : Okay. 6 until the ver end -- 6 MR. la. Somebody's got to say, 7 MR. : End of the day. 7 well, you have to stay, or we have to, you 8 MR. -- of the day. 8 know, talk about what's going on with me 9 MR. Yes. 9 staying. 10 MR. : And then, you no longer 10 MR. : Well she told, well, she 11 had access. 11 said that she was with II•, and her, and 12 MR. : Access. Yes. 12 they said ou stay to work overtime. 13 MR. : And then, you said you 13 MR. : Pfft. That's the -. 14 were going to go back on Saturday, in the 14 She's not m su ervisor. So, that -- 15 morning -- 15 MR. : Right. 16 MR. : Morning. I had, because I 16 MR. : -- doesn't work. It's 17 had the drives. I got the drives from the 17 whoever is in charge of main facilities, and II 18 . Because I remember carrying the drives 18 is my, like, supervisor, but there is 19 to the room. 19 still somebod -- 20 MR. : All right. And did you 20 MR. : So, who would have -- 21 agree to work overtime on August 8th, 2019, to 21 MR. -- before her. 22 resolve the issue before you went home on 22 MR. -- been your supervisor? 23 August 8tbs_a2122_ 23 MR. : It would have been the 24 MR. IIIIIIIII: No. No. Somebody would 24 general foreman of facility managers, whoever 25 have had to -. My supervisor would have had to 25 is assigned, and they would have had to say, 151 152 1 hey, ou have to stay. 1 and email access. Acting for me is Ms. 2 3 MR. MR. . All right. So -- : Like, I work for IIII, but 3 2', , on Monda 8/5, and Tuesday 8/6." MR. : Mm-hmm. 4 I don't work for 4 MR. "She will be reached at," 5 MR. -- but so -- 5 and then, -- 6 MR. Mm-hmm. 6 MR. : The number. 7 MR. : was out, and 7 MR. -- the number. 8 this something we discussed in our last 8 MR. Mm-hmm. 9 interview. 9 MR. • "And/or via radio track 10 MR. : Mm-hmm. 10 four. Wednesday through Friday, Mr. IIII 11 MR. : He wasn't there. 11 will be Acting, and he will be reached 12 MR. Yeah, there. 12 at" 13 MR. : And here is an out of 13 MR. : Track four. 14 office assistant that we have from you. You 14 MR. . -- the phone number. 15 sent an email on Friday, August 9th, 2019, at 15 MR. Yeah. 16 6:51 a.m. 16 MR. : Or track four radio. So, 17 MR. a Mm-hmm. 17 would have you, so, the last time we spoke, you 18 MR. : To . It says, "I 18 were certain that you requested overtime on 19 will be out " and his automatic response -- 19 that Saturda -- 20 MR. In Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : Yeah. 21 MR. : -- was, "I will be out of 21 MR. : -- and that your boss 22 the office on Monday, August 5th through 22 approved it. 23 Friday, Au ust 9th." 23 MR. Mi Approved it. Yeah. 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Is that still your 25 MR. : "I will have limited 25 recollection? Because now it sounds like you EFTA00064231 153 154 1 had, like, a blanket over, a blanket -- 1 never talked to them about overtime. And no 2 MR. : We were in the middle of a 2 idea anythin about the camera issue. 3 project. So, it was probably just a blanket 3 MR. : Yeah. 4 overtime. 4 MR. Does that sound right? 5 MR. So, there wouldn't have 5 MR. Well -- 6 been somebod that you specifically requested? 6 MR. They knew about it after 7 MR. : No. 7 August 10th -- 8 MR. All right. Because, 8 MR. Yes. 9 yeah, that as something we talked about -- 9 MR. -- but they said they 10 MR. (Indiscernible *01:31:36). 10 didn't knot. about it on the 8th or the 9th. 11 MR. -- for a long time -- 11 MR. : Well, because they're not 12 MR. : Yeah. 12 really in charge. So, that's, like, you can't 13 MR. • -- last time. 13 tell them, because they're not -. I would have 14 MR. Yeah. 14 to tell or whoever is in charge of it. 15 MR. So, when you're thinking 15 MR. But he was out. So, who 16 of it, there is not someone that you went to? 16 17 MR. • : If he wasn't actually 17 MR.Mi Yes. 18 there, they were just acting, it was probably 18 MR. : -- would have you spoken 19 just a blanket overtime. 19 with? 20 MR. : Yeah, and we spoke to all 20 MR. : Whoever was in charge, but 21 three of them, and they said -- 21 there, obviously, there is nobody in charge. 22 MR. Yeah. 22 That doesn't even make sense. 23 MR.Mi : -- he never talked to us. 23 MR. : Well, the acting, and 24 We didn't even know anything about the camera 24 during that time, says, you know -- 25 issue. They all - all three of them said you 25 MR. : It was 155 156 1 MR. • -- right. 1 MR. So, if you found out on 2 MR. Said I didn't talk to him. 2 the 8th, which we have clarified that you did, 3 MR. : So, you didn't actually 3 this is what ou're telling 4 speak with anybody about these camera issues, 4 MR. : Is going on -- 5 prior to going home on the 8th? You just were 5 MR. -- is going on in the 6 working on it? 6 institution -- 7 MR. : I was working on it. 7 MR. -- in the institution. 8 Yeah. 8 MR. -- and what you need to 9 MR. : Okay. So, you didn't 9 work on. 10 notify anybody, though, hey, these cameras are 10 MR. On. Well, the -- 11 out, and it's not resolved? 11 MR. : Wouldn't you have put 12 MR. : They would have known 12 that -- 13 that, before I left, like, they still - I'm 13 MR. -- that -- 14 still working on it. It was not, like, I'm 14 MR. -- on there? 15 going to do fix it right away. 15 MR. : -- yeah. I would have put 16 MR. : Okay. Now this actually 16 that on there. But the camera thing was, like, 17 is, this email from you to IIIIII, your boss -- 17 a constant thing. It wasn't, like, it wasn't 18 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 anything new. Like, they were having problems 19 MR. -- it looks like these 19 with the cameras. 20 are, like, your priority for things that you 20 MR. : But it wasn't new, but it 21 were workin on at the time. Is that correct? 21 wasn't new that the recordings weren't -- 22 MR. : Yes. 22 MR. : Working. 23 MR. : Why aren't the cameras 23 MR. -- weren't recording. 24 listed on there if that was on August 9th? 24 MR. Yeah. 25 MR. : I have no idea. Mm-hmm. 25 MR. So, should have that been EFTA00064232 157 158 1 on there? 1 what you were working, it looks like you sent 2 MR. : It should have been on 2 them an email of what you were working on that 3 there. Yes. It should have been on there. 3 day. And now that you're seeing what you were 4 MR. : So, being that it wasn't 4 working on that day, and the fact that the 5 on there, does that make you re-think, huh, 5 cameras weren't listed on there, were you 6 maybe I didn't even work on it on the 9th, or 6 actually workin on it on the 9th? 7 try to work on it on the 9th? 7 MR. : Yes. 8 MR. : I did work on it, if 8 MR. And you are positive you 9 that's what I said before. 9 went on the 9th and tried to gain access -- 10 MR. • Okay. 10 MR. : Because I had -- 11 MR. But yeah. 11 MR. . -- to that room? 12 MR. : Because they were writing 12 MR. -- and I had to get the 13 that, it sounds, like, based upon a 13 drives from I did get the drives from 14 conversation with you on the 9th, they don't 14 15 know that you don't have access to do them on 15 MR. Okay. But you are 16 the 9th. That's what they're writing, based 16 positive you actually tried to access that 17 upon what ou told them. 17 room, and told you -? 18 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 MR. : After I leave, that's it, 19 MR. Like, oh, yeah, I'm doing 19 you can't sta iiiiiiiiii 20 it today because on the 9th, I couldn't gain 20 MR. : All right. And that's 21 access -- 21 your positive about, on the 9th, even though 22 MR. : Yes. 22 it's not listed on your to-do list, on the 8th 23 MR. : -- to the room. 23 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Yeah, because that was 25 MR. : So, looking at this, and 25 probably something in -. This is probably all 159 160 1 the stuff that I fixed during that week, or 1 been up to whoever was in charge. Like, I'm 2 stuff I was lookin at. 2 not -. I'm List the guy that fixes stuff. 3 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : Oh, I thought you said 4 MR. Mm-hmm. 4 you tell -. This is your supervisor -- 5 MR. : Just, but the reason why 5 MR. : Direct supervisor. 6 the camera issue isn't on there is why? 6 MR. -- direct supervisor. 7 MR. : It's a recurring thing. 7 MR. Yeah. 8 Like, it's not something -. Like -- 8 MR. I thought you said you 9 MR. : Okay. 9 would alwa s tell your direct -- 10 MR. M I . -- after I fixed it, 10 MR. : Supervisor. 11 that's where I would give them the stuff I 11 MR. -- supervisor. 12 worked on. It's not if I'm working on, this is 12 MR. Yeah. 13 the stuff, like, I've been working on for 13 MR. But you didn't? 14 (Indiscernible *01:34:52). This is the stuff 14 MR. No. 15 that it's pending, or has to get done. Because 15 MR. So, this is just the 16 those are work orders. 16 things we need to reconcile. 17 MR. : So, from your 17 MR.Mi Reconcile. Okay. 18 understanding, the camera issue wouldn't be 18 MR. : Is this something that 19 listed on this? 19 you should have told him? 20 MR. : It wouldn't be listed on 20 MR. : If he wasn't in charge, 21 here. No. 21 then I didn't tell him. No. 22 MR. And you wouldn't have 22 MR. Well, you didn't tell 23 notified that the cameras were down, and 23 . We know that. But he is still your 24 not recoriiiiiiiii 24 - you said that he is not my real boss. 25 MR. : Mmm, no. That would have 25 MR. : Yeah. I can't tell -- EFTA00064233 161 162 1 MR. : But 1 MR. : -- this is everything that 2 MR. W. -- and I can't tell him 2 I've closed out over the -- 3 about cameras anyway. So, if it was IIII, and 3 MR. Oh, these are your close 4 MI and IIIIII, that's what probably the only 4 outs? S people that would know about the camera 5 MR. : -- yeah, this is stuff 6 situation. 6 that I've done. Yes. 7 MR. • So, from the 8th? 7 MR. • All right. So -- 8 MR. From the 8th. Yes. 8 MR. For the week. 9 MR. • And -. Okay. So, from 9 MR. . -- and that's why there's 10 looking at this, though, you don't see anything 10 not much -- 11 wrong with not telling him that, when you're 11 MR. (Indiscernible *01:36:10). 12 talking all" to-do list? 12 MR. -- there's nothing, other 13 MR. : Hmm. He's not in the 13 than your 14 institution. That's, like, yeah. 14 MR. No. 15 MR. : Okay. So, the camera, 15 MR. . So, this is the things 16 the camera issue should not have been listed on 16 that you've com eted? 17 here? 17 MR. Completed. Yes. 18 MR. Hmm. 18 MR. These aren't things that 19 MR. And when we go back -- 19 you're workin 20 MR. This is -- 20 MR. Working on. No. 21 MR. -- to , or talk to 21 MR. • Okay. And you are sure 22 the warden 22 of that? 23 MR. -- this is -- 23 MR. : Yes. 24 MR. • -- will they say the same 24 MR. Perfect. All right. Can 25 thing? 25 you initial and date that? 163 164 1 MR. Mm-hmm. 1 is if you have to break the glass, to obtain 2 MR. In retrospect, should 2 those keys? 3 have you notified that the camera issues 3 MR. : I 'ust have to write a 4 weren't working? The cameras weren't 4 memo and tell the why I would have 5 recording. 5 to stay behind. But I was coming back the next 6 MR. : The thing about that, if 6 day. So, and I was probably working overtime 7 you're not in the building, and there is an AW, 7 all week. And it was just time for me to go. 8 and an SIS told me the cameras are not working, 8 MR. . Okay. 9 like, why should I call you at home to tell you 9 MR. : I've been doing some long 10 the cameras aren't working? 10 hours. 11 MR. . Yeah, yeah. 11 MR. Okay. So, because you 12 MR. It's not -. You're not in 12 had worked the hours, you made it, you made 13 the buildin 13 that decision based upon your own experience 14 MR. • Okay. 14 that I'm going to work it on the next day, I'm 15 MR. So. 15 not going to fix it today? 16 MR. : So, is it your 16 MR. : Mm-hmm. Yeah. 17 understanding that, after III left, there was 17 MR. So, you -- 18 no way foiliiiiiilaccess that room? 18 MR. : And the past practice of 19 MR. : I would have to break 19 just deal with it tomorrow. But I've been told 20 glass, and write a memo, and all this other 20 by my other supervisors, hey, just deal with it 21 stuff. So, why I have to stay in the room? 21 tomorrow. 22 And it's the evidence room. So, I can't really 22 MR. Okay. But you weren't 23 just willy-nilly go in there by myself where I 23 told, in this situation -- 24 shouldn'tliiiiiiiiinow? 24 MR. : No. 25 MR. : Okay. And how serious it 25 MR. . -- you made that EFTA00064234 165 166 1 independent decision on your own, though. 1 MR. -- I'm sorry. 2 Correct? 2 MR. -- no, no, no. We need 3 MR. : Yes. From what I've been 3 to know this stuff. So -- 4 experienced from before. Yes. 4 MR. I'm sorry. 5 MR. : Okay. But you could have 5 MR. -- this is -- 6 broken the glass, wrote a memo, and stayed to 6 MR. : Like, this is not, like, 7 fix it? 7 everybody -. It looks like I'm the fault guy, 8 MR. a Yes. 8 or, like, something isn't working, like, you 9 MR. : Okay. And you did not 9 keep asking me the same question. The thing 10 ask the captain, and any AWs, or the warden if 10 about these cameras, these cameras weren't 11 you could come back the following day to fix 11 working for, like, weeks at a time. Like, this 12 it? 12 hasn't been the first time where these 13 MR. : I was already coming back 13 recordings weren't working, and nobody checked 14 for overtime. So. 14 them. 15 MR. : Right. Point being is to 15 MR. : Well, that's what we need 16 notify them, hey, these cameras, the recordings 16 to know. 17 are still down? 17 MR. Yes. 18 MR. : The recordings were down 18 MR. : And we didn't -. So, 19 months at a time. I'm sorry. Like -- 19 this is the first we're hearing that there was 20 MR. : Whoa, whoa, whoa. Tell 20 weeks at a time that the -- 21 us more about that. 21 MR. : Yes. Of course -- 22 MR. -- you -. 22 MR. -- recordings weren't 23 MR. : So, there were -- 23 working. 24 MR. I'm sorry. 24 MR. -- there was weeks at a 25 MR. -- there were -- 25 time. 167 168 1 MR. Well then -- 1 video for a jail, there is no time where you 2 MR. This happened before. 2 can't find video. And my experience, when I 3 MR. • -- well then, tell us. 3 got there, was, like, oh, it's not a big deal, 4 So, here. Open, open discussion. Tell us 4 it's not a big deal. 5 exactly what was going on with these 5 And I'm, like, well, this is a jail, with 6 recordings and they weren't working. 6 funding and whatever else problems they had. 7 MR. IIIIIIIII: Well, when I fist got to 7 Nobody considered anything here a priority or 8 the institution, that's why I started a 8 an emergency. So, after Epstein, that's when 9 project. I would look for video, and they 9 it was, like, oh, well, now you've got to stay, 10 would tell me there is a problem, and I'm, 10 now you have to do everything. And I've been 11 like, oh, you can't keep running the 11 screaming at the hilltop when I got there. 12 institution like this. If there is no video, 12 Like, hey, you have a problem, you've got to 13 you have to fix the system. You have to get 13 fix it. That's why I did the money for a 14 the updates. I've called SigNet about the 14 project, hey, you need to get new recorders in, 15 problem. And I informed everybody, hey, this 15 you've got to put the -. You've got to 16 is a problem. You can't have a jail where you 16 upgrades. Like, you haven't done anything at 17 can't find video whenever you need video. Or 17 all. Like, you have to spend money. Like, 18 the recorder is always failing. 18 this stuff is old. 19 I was in (Indiscernible *01:39:08) for a 19 MR. : But tell us specifically 20 your and a jail. I don't remember, maybe a 20 about times where there was weeks at a time 21 couple times where something - as far as video, 21 that the recorders -- 22 pulling back video, you would always find a 22 MR. Well, not weeks 23 video. There was never a time where you 23 MR. • -- were down. 24 couldn't find a video. Maybe some cameras 24 MR. -- at a time, but I'm just 25 weren't working, but as far as pulling back 25 saying, like, if this happened at this time, EFTA00064235 169 170 1 right, and I replaced the drives the other 1 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. But there 2 time, weren't they looking for video, and 2 was more times where it happened before 3 another time they couldn't find video, and I 3 February. Since I touched down and got to MCC, 4 fixed it, and then, they were, like, oh, well, 4 New York, this was a problem. 5 everything is fine now. And then, a month 5 MR. • So, it was a constant 6 later, or two months later, we have the same 6 reoccurrin roblem -- 7 problem again. Oh, can't find video. They 7 MR. : Yes. 8 were just concerned about video they could find 8 MR. • -- where this was 9 for that specific time. They were never 9 happening? 10 concerned about finding a video for the whole 10 MR. : Yes. 11 time. 11 MR. : And what have you been 12 MR. : Okay. So, it - from what 12 telling them all along was that we need to fix 13 we have, from our records - it suggests that, 13 14 in Februar was the last time -- 14 MR. : The problem. 15 MR. : No. 15 MR. -- recurring -- 16 MR. : -- (Indiscernible 16 MR. : Yes. 17 *01:40:26). 17 MR. • -- problem. 18 MR. : This happened before. 18 MR. : Yes. So, that's why I had 19 That's wh I 19 a brand-new hard drive downstairs. And it 20 MR. This was the last time? 20 wasn't a riorit . 21 MR. -- yes. 21 MR. : Right. 22 MR. : Okay. It may -- 22 MR. : Because you've got other 23 MR. : The last time. 23 things toliiiiiiiiiut. 24 MR. • -- have happened before 24 MR. : But when the -. And 25 February -- 25 correct me if I'm wrong, though. I understand 171 172 1 what they're saying that, like, you're saying 1 MR. -- it would have been 2 that it wasn't a priority for them to install a 2 about six months before -- 3 whole new system, but it did sound like it was 3 MR. : And this happened -- 4 a priorit , once the recordings went down -- 4 MR. . -- (Indiscernible 5 MR. : Down. Yes. 5 *01:41:23). 6 MR. : -- that they need to be 6 MR. : -- before then, and it 7 fixed. 7 happened a cou le times before then -- 8 MR. : Fixed. Yeah. They need 8 MR. Right. 9 to be fixed. Yes. 9 MR. -- because that's when I 10 MR. Right. So, that's where 10 started -. Whenever I started working at that 11 I want to make sure we're clarifying, when you 11 prison, I probably noticed it within the next, 12 make a statement such as, it would be weeks at 12 the first three to four months I was there. 13 a time that there is no recordings. 13 Like, hey, what's going on with the recorders? 14 MR. : I'm just not, weeks at a 14 Why is there no video? 15 time, but there would be days where there is no 15 MR. : Right. 16 video. 16 MR. : And then, especially when 17 MR. Okay. 17 I had to do the time change, because we had to 18 MR. Like, they always try to 18 do a time change in October, on the year 19 get video, there is no video. This isn't the 19 changes, and I'm, like, why is it taking a 20 first time -- 20 whole day and a half for them, for the 21 MR. Right. 21 recordings to start rebuild and change the time 22 MR. -- this happened. 22 on the recordings. It shouldn't take a whole 23 MR. And that was what 23 day to do that. 24 happened, it looks like, back in February -- 24 MR. And -- 25 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : Because you have to stop EFTA00064236 173 174 1 and start stuff, and it's, like, well, why is 1 MR. a Yes. 2 the system so old? Like, what are you guys 2 MR. : And why didn't you 3 doing? 3 install iia? 4 MR. And did you already have 4 MR. IIIIIIIII: Because it wasn't a 5 a new system to install at this point? 5 priority. Like I said before. 6 MR. : No, I didn't. 6 MR. : Okay. But your priority, 7 MR. It wasn't on there? 7 or whose ic:sit?y_ 8 MR. : No. I had to submit a 8 MR. IIIIIIIII: Whoever - Signet - or 9 project. I went with the engineering tech -- 9 whoever is on the list for them to install the 10 MR. No, no, no. Prior to 10 new, our recorders. 11 August 10th, 2019. 11 MR. Okay. So, you don't 12 MR. Yeah. 12 MR. They have a list. 13 MR. Did you already have a 13 MR. -- install it? 14 new system 14 MR. No. I do not install it. 15 MR. Yes. 15 I help the -- 16 MR. -- at that time? 16 MR. Signet would have -- 17 MR. : At the time. At the 17 MR. -- technician who will 18 location. Yes. 18 come and install it. Yes. 19 MR. So, you did have a new 19 MR. : -- and when was SigNet 20 system -- 20 scheduled to install this? 21 MR. System. 21 MR. : I have no idea. 22 MR. -- you just hadn't 22 MR. : Whose job would it be to 23 installed 23 call SigNet and to schedule them to install the 24 MR. Installed it. 24 new recorders? 25 MR. -- it yet. 25 MR. : That's not my -- 175 176 1 MR. That's not you? 1 was here, and the money from 2018. 2 MR. -- that's not me. 2 MR. : So, you've had this new 3 MR. As the camera guy, you 3 camera system on hand for almost a year, if not 4 wouldn't iiiiiiiiihing to do with it? 4 5 MR. : No. That's upper 5 MR. : Not a year, but a few 6 management and Si Net. 6 months. Yeah. We had -- 7 MR. : So -. 7 MR. So, a few months. 8 MR. : Or . Like, hey, 8 MR. -- it for a few months. 9 when is this thing -? But that's not my call. 9 Yeah. 10 It's here. Like, you know, they have to 10 MR. And it obviously can't be 11 schedule it and work that out. 11 SigNet's decision -- 12 MR. : So, if it's on the 12 MR. Decision. 13 premises, and you have the new system at the 13 MR. -- to put it in. 14 MCC, how long was it actually at the MCC prior 14 MR. It's -- 15 to this time? 15 MR. Is it? 16 MR. : It was a few months. 16 MR. -- no, it's not SigNet's. 17 MR. So, the new system -- 17 The facility. Who is in charge of the 18 MR. Yes. 18 facility? 19 MR. -- probably was ordered 19 MR. So, who is the person 20 after the February timeframe. 20 that was in charge of getting that new camera 21 MR. IIIIIIIII: No. It was ordered way 21 system installed? 22 before then. 22 MR. : Whoever was in charge. 23 MR. Mr So, maybe -- 23 MR. : Who? 24 MR. : It was ordered because it 24 MR. : That would be the facility 25 was -. This happened in 2019. The new system 25 manager. Whoever was -- EFTA00064237 177 178 1 MR. MI So, l='? 1 MR. Because (Indiscernible 2 MR. : -- well, he just got 2 *01:44:12iiIIIIIII 3 there. We were at limbo. There was nobody in 3 MR. : -- to say, hey, this is, 4 charge. 4 you know -. 5 MR. : So, there was no one to 5 MR. : So, you always say that 6 actually schedule this thing to get -- 6 the cameras are the captain's baby. Would it 7 MR. : Installed. Yeah. 7 have been the captain that should have taken 8 MR. : -- and -- 8 responsibility for that, to say, like, hey, get 9 MR. : Nobody to take charge and 9 these -- 10 say, hey, I can't call Signet, hey, I need you 10 MR. : These cameras -- 11 to come -. I'm -. What am I? 11 MR. . -- these new cameras -? 12 MR. : Who knew that the new 12 MR. -- you got the new 13 camera system was there? 13 recorders, hey, get them in. Yeah. But -. 14 MR. : I did. I think I did, and 14 Yeah. 15 that was or ni l about it. Because -- 15 MR. Because you keep on 16 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. Was that anyone's 16 saying, hey, this has been an ongoing problem. 17 17 Well, it looks like the problem - the solution 18 MR. : -- it was too much -. 18 was there. 19 Like, at the time, we didn't have a general 19 MR. : Yes. But nobody -- 20 foreman or a facility manager. There was 20 MR. • But there was never 21 nobody that really -. We started a project. 21 actually 22 It was just, like, a whole big mess of 22 MR. -- (Indiscernible 23 confusion. 23 *01:44:33 24 MR. All right. 24 MR. -- implemented. 25 MR. There was really nobody -- 25 MR. : No. It was never 179 180 1 implemented. 1 MR. : That's it. That's all I 2 MR. So, I know you said, 2 do. 3 like, oh, it looks like you're saying, well, 3 MR. And I'm asking questions. 4 you know, I'm the fall guy. Well, I'm asking 4 I'm not makin accusations. 5 you, who is? Who is the guy that should have 5 MR. : Accusations. 6 made sure that that was fixed? 6 MR. Not once did I say you're 7 MR. : I'm just the maintainer of 7 responsible -- 8 the system. 8 MR. You're responsible. 9 MR. Right, right, right. 9 MR. -- what I'm asking is, 10 MR. I'm not the installer of 10 who is reiiiiiiiii? 11 the system. 11 MR. : It would be probably be 12 MR. And I'm not saying that 12 the facility manager, or the general foreman, 13 you are the u . 13 or -, 14 MR. : Yeah. 14 MR. And because there was no 15 MR. : I'm asking you the 15 one there -- 16 question. 16 MR. : Yeah. 17 MR. I helped install -- 17 MR. -- who, then, would 18 MR. : Who -? 18 become reiiiiiiiii? 19 MR. -- the system. 19 MR. : Well, then it would be the 20 MR. : So -. 20 AW. Whoever is in charge. 21 MR. : I maintained the system. 21 MR. And who was the AW in 22 I fixed the problem when you tell me, hey, 22 charge at that time? 23 there is a problem. I go check it out. 23 MR. , probably,__ 24 I call Sii cl we work on the issue. 24 MR. So, it would be IIII, not 25 MR. : And -. 25 ? EFTA00064238 181 182 1 MR. Oh. Oh. She was -. Oh, 1 MR. : So, Epstein happened. 2 yeah. was there, too. Yeah. 2 You had this -- 3 MR. : So, one of the two? 3 MR. : Everything (Indiscernible 4 MR. : One of the two. Oh, well 4 *01:46:06) 5 IIII, and was. Before them, it was 5 MR. : -- new system already 6 (Phonetic Sp. *01:45:34), because I remember, I 6 there. 7 had to talk to him about this whole camera 7 MR. Yes. 8 thing. 8 MR. : So, on the 11th, you were 9 MR. : And who is 9 able to immediately -- 10 MR. : He was another AW, before 10 MR. Immediately. 11 took over. This is, like, before 11 MR. -- install it. 12 all this got started, it was -. Back 12 MR. Install it no problem. 13 (Indiscernible *01:45:44) manager and 13 MR. : So then, the day after -- 14 when I was telling them, hey, you need to 14 MR. (Indiscernible *01:46:11). 15 upgrade your camera system. 15 MR. -- Epstein's found, there 16 MR. : Okay. All right. And 16 is a new camera s stem there? 17 there was nothing on -. Nothing scheduled to 17 MR. : There is a new camera 18 actually et the system installed? 18 there. 19 MR. IIIIIIIII: No. And from what I know, 19 MR. : Who installed it? 20 we weren't on the list to get anything 20 MR. It was and 21 installed. 21 myself. 22 MR. : And the reason why you 22 MR. : So, he flew in? 23 were able to install it, you said on the 11th? 23 MR. Yes. 24 MR. : It's because of whatever 24 MR. : And installed it -- 25 happened with Epstein. 25 MR. : With me. 183 184 1 MR. • -- with you? 1 because whatever is going on. 2 MR. : Yeah. Well, I put the 2 MR. : Now, was , was he, 3 rack in, and helped him. Well, he pretty much 3 did he have knowledge that this camera system 4 did everything. But get the rack and the UPS 4 was old and needed to be replaced? 5 in. 5 MR. a Yes. 6 MR. ll right. And who 6 MR. : So, should have he had 7 contactedMi to make sure he came 7 the -. He should have made this a priority, to 8 down? 8 make sure that the new camera system was put in 9 MR. : I was on the phone with 9 place, since he had been there for, I think, a 10 SigNet after all this happened. I was on the 10 few months? 11 phone the whole time with SigNet. 11 MR. : Well, we already started 12 MR. : So, who made the ultimate 12 the project. I don't think anybody knew the 13 decision to, hey, it's time now to get this new 13 gravity of the recorders at the time. Like, if 14 system installed? 14 I knew how important the recording was. 15 MR. : Probably when he 15 Everybody else, they were just, like, oh, it's 16 got a hold of what was going on. 16 just, it's broken again. And I'm, like, well, 17 MR. Okay. So, would 17 you know, it's not just broken again, it 18 have -- 18 shouldn't be broken at all. 19 MR. Yeah. 19 MR. Okay. And then, did you 20 MR. -- been able to make that 20 tell people that? 21 decision? 21 MR. Yes. 22 MR. : Make that decision. Or 22 MR. And who did you tell 23 maybe when I was -. Because I think I, when I 23 that? 24 was on the phone with , that they were, 24 MR. : I've talked to my co- 25 like, well, we got to get out there right away, 25 workers, and I've talked to my facility manager EFTA00064239 185 186 1 about the problem. And I even talked to the 1 be no additional video. 2 regional com tech, because we have a regional 2 : And you said the new system 3 guy in charge of the cameras, and that work 3 was purchased with year-ends '18 -- 4 stuff, like, like, this stuff is unacceptable. 4 MR. _: Mm-hmm. 5 Like, when I came and, like, the way the 5 -- money? 6 building was laid out, and some of the wiring 6 MR. : Yeah. 7 issues in the building, this was just not 7 : So then, how long was this 8 acceptable. 8 system sitting around? You said a couple 9 MR. : Okay. But knew, 9 months, but that's more than a (Indiscernible 10 prior to August 10th, how important this was to 10 *01:48:37iiIIIIIII 11 get this new camera system in? 11 MR. : A few. It's a few months. 12 MR. : It was. That's why we 12 I'm not too sure when everything got ordered, 13 started the ro ect. Yeah. 13 or when it was sitting around. Because even if 14 MR. : And when you say you 14 we ordered it, I think everything was on back 15 stared the project, what did you start on the 15 order. That's why it didn't come right away, 16 project? 16 the recorder. 17 MR. : Trying to figure out how 17 Oh, okay. 18 we were going to upgrade, like, because not 18 MR. : The recorder. 19 only did the recorder was bad, it was also the 19 Okay. 20 housing units, there was only one camera in the 20 MR. : Yeah. 21 housing unit. So, if anything was to happen on 21 But it was post that February 22 the housin unit ou would see no video. 22 date? 23 MR. : Okay. 23 MR. : Before the -. I'm sorry. 24 MR. : It would just be a blanket 24 Can you re eat that, please? 25 camera footage of the common area. There would 25 : Yeah. So, I mean, it was, it 187 188 1 was, if it was on back order, it probably 1 report that's sent up. But before Epstein, 2 arrived some time in, what, '19 versus '18? 2 there was never a daily report of the cameras 3 MR. : I am not too sure when it 3 are recording, or we have an issue. There was 4 arrived. 4 never anything set up at MCC, as far as that 5 : Okay. 5 goes. 6 MR. . So, because -- 6 MR. : So, you think before 7 MR. Can I ask a question? 7 Epstein had happened, no one had a day to day 8 MR. • -- yeah. Go ahead. 8 responsibility to make sure the cameras were 9 Please. 9 working? 10 MR. : Mr. , based on your 10 MR. : No. 11 understanding, how important is it that the 11 MR. : Who would have been the 12 cameras are recording on a day to day basis? 12 next - if no one had the day to day 13 MR. : It's very important. And 13 responsibiiiiiiiiiho could have checked? 14 it should be checked on a day to day basis. 14 MR. : That would have been SIS's 15 And the way, at my last institution, that I was 15 responsibilit because my -- 16 aware that anything wasn't working, was I would 16 MR. : Okay. 17 actually get a report from SIS, this camera is 17 MR. : -- my previouiliiii, SIS 18 bad, that camera is out. This camera is not 18 would be the one telling me, hey, , there 19 working. Now, after Epstein happened, they 19 is a camera out, or there is other issues, 20 wanted to task me with that job. I refused 20 because I don't just work on cameras. I work 21 because I can't be the same person cooking the 21 on all the communications in the building. So, 22 food, telling you that the cameras are bad, or 22 cameras are, yes, that is, like, one my main 23 the food is good. So then, it became up to 23 things, but if there is other issues in the 24 somebody else to check the cameras. Daily. 24 building, like, I can't just focus on cameras. 25 Now, they check it every day. There is a 25 And at the time, I was by myself. I was the EFTA00064240 189 190 1 only electronics technician in the building for 1 MR. : Based on the question I 2 a while. 2 was asking, if, you said there was a few 3 : What other types of things do 3 instances where the cameras went down, it 4 you do? I know you fix the (Indiscernible 4 wasn't workin for a few days. 5 *01:50:45). 5 MR. : Yes. 6 MR. : Fire alarm. Cameras. 6 MR. : How bad do you think that 7 Radios. And I install the network. Like, if 7 (Indiscernible *01:51:45) is, where the camera 8 you need a cat five (Phonetic Sp. *01:50:50) 8 is not reiiiiiiilior a few days? 9 cable, or an thing communication lines -- 9 MR. : I think it's pretty bad 10 : Mm-hmm. 10 when you're in a prison, and, you know, like, 11 MR. : -- in the building. The 11 in my experience, because I was custody 12 fire alarm for the building. The doors. 12 (Indiscernible *01:51:52) before, like, there 13 MR. All right. I'm just 13 has been assaults on inmate on inmate, among 14 going to -- 14 our staff, or somebody possibly bringing 15 : I'll get back on again. 15 contraband in the building. And you have no 16 MR. • -- oh, he dropped again? 16 recording to see what was going on. Then you 17 Looks like he dropped. Yeah. 17 have pretty bad video at that, that it was a 18 MR. Hey. Hey. Can you hear 18 priority. 19 me? 19 MR. : Okay. 20 : Yeah. 20 MR. : Yeah. All that stuff 21 MR. Yeah. 21 should be fixed. 22 MR. : Hey. I apologize. A call 22 MR. : And based on those 23 reception is going in and out. I apologize for 23 instances did ou ever write up any reports -- 24 that. 24 MR. : Yes, I did. 25 MR. : Okay. 25 MR. : -- did you send it to -? 191 192 1 MR. : I did. Before I got the 1 MR. : I would have sent it to 2 money approved for the new camera system, I got 2 , and he was my first facility 3 together with the engineering tech, and I wrote 3 manager. 4 -. I also, I wrote a work order over $10,000, 4 MR. S because the camera system as an asset is worth 5 MR. 6 over $10,000. To get that fixed. Because I 6 MR. : Can you spell that last 7 had that problem, I had also the fire alarm 7 name? 8 was, I had a problem with that. I had a proble 8 MR. . I don't 9 with that. I had a problem with the voicemail 9 know. 10 system. Everything. When I got to the 10 MR. 11 building, everything was just at a pretty bad 11 MR. 12 state. That wasn't the only thing that was 12 MR. 13 looked over as, like, oh, we need to get this 13 MR. 14 fixed. The whole building was, as far as 14 MR. it would be 15 communication wise, it was pretty bad. 15 MR. He spells it weird. 16 MR. : Yeah. But the question I 16 17 had was, did you write any reports or -- 17 MR. All right. So, can that 18 MR. : I -. 18 be the fourth request, then? So, we talked 19 MR. -- any emails to upper 19 about the emails between SigNet -- 20 management -- 20 MR.a And then, my -- 21 MR. : Yes. 21 MR. : -- (Indiscernible 22 MR. -- saying, hey, listen -? 22 *01:53:53 but -- 23 MR. : Yes. 23 MR. : -- and then, 24 MR. : Okay. Do you recall who 24 . He's the engineering tech. He's the 25 you sent it to? 25 one that actually wrote up the report to get EFTA00064241 193 194 1 sent to the regional office, as far as the 1 MR. : -- what actions should 2 money for the camera project. 2 have been taken, and when they should have been 3 MR. All right. So, those 3 taken. 4 emails. And an other emails -- 4 MR. Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : And then -- 5 MR. I just want to real 6 MR. you can find. 6 quickly follow up on these things, to make sure 7 MR. • He was 7 what we have is accurate. Specifically, with 8 also the general foreman when this happened, 8 regard to the FBI report that said, "There was 9 too. 9 a system failure of DVR-2 on July 29th, 2019, 10 MR. : All right. So, can you, 10 and a motherboard failed on DVR-2 on August 11 at least those three people, as well as anybody 11 8th, 2019. The hard drive failure occurred on 12 else. 12 August 10th, 2019." Again, is that information 13 MR. : Mm-hmm. 13 that you provided to them, or did they obtain 14 MR. • So, all the emails from 14 that themselves? 15 SigNet, and any, really, emails with regard to 15 MR. : I think they obtained that 16 16 themselves. have -- 17 MR. : Okay. 17 MR. : All right. And do you 18 MR. • -- the cameras issue -- 18 know -- 19 MR. Camera issue, 19 MR.Mi l -- the exact dates. 20 MR. : -- that you can provide 20 MR. : -- do you know the 21 to us. That would be greatly beneficial for 21 difference between, like, a system failure, a 22 us, that we know who was notified, when -- 22 motherboard failure, and a hard drive failure? 23 MR. : Mm-hmm. 23 MR. Mi Yes. 24 MR. • -- who, you know -- 24 MR. : All right. So, I'm going 25 MR. : That's fine. 25 to read you what we have obtained regarding 195 196 1 this, and I want you to tell me if it's 1 MR. Does that sound accurate 2 accurate or not. 2 to you? 3 MR. • Okay. 3 MR. Yes. It's -. Yeah. 4 MR. : So, it says, "Per IIII 4 MR. So, they would have 5 from SigNet," regarding, this is still 5 obtained this information, it sounds like, from 6 regarding a system failure, "this looks to be 6 that application Supervision? 7 an error coming from the video management 7 MR. Yes. 8 server. 8 MR. : Okay. But you didn't 9 MR. a Mm-hmm. 9 check that. Correct? 10 MR. : There is an application 10 MR.In No. 11 within the video management system software 11 MR. : All right. So, do you 12 called Supervision. This application monitors 12 know what caused that system failure on July -- 13 connection between the main application server, 13 MR. No. I have -- 14 which mans es authentication -- 14 MR. . 29th? 15 MR. : Authentication. 15 MR. -- I have -. No. 16 MR. : -- for users to access 16 MR. But you said you were 17 live recorded video, and an ability to export 17 working on the mother -. Or you were -- 18 video, along with many other customizable 18 MR. : Yeah. 19 features. And system devices, such as DVRs, 19 MR. -- you were working on 20 cameras, video encoders, or video decoders. If 20 the system ri ht around that time? 21 this is the case, then this would have been the 21 MR. : Yes. 22 message from the Supervision application, 22 MR. All right. So, likely, 23 showing that there was a lost connection to 23 it was whenever you were working on the system 24 DVR-2." 24 around July 29th, 2019, that caused the DVR, 25 MR. : DVR-2. Right. 25 the recorders to stop recording? EFTA00064242 197 198 1 MR. : No. I checked everything 1 you checked it for the time -- 2 before I -. 2 MR. : Yeah. 3 MR. Well, we just talked 3 MR. -- period prior to when 4 about previously, is that you checked 4 you fixed ou thought you fixed it. 5 everything when you were working on it, for the 5 MR. : I fixed it. Yeah. 6 time prior -- 6 MR. So -. 7 MR. : Prior to me -- 7 MR. : But that doesn't sound 8 MR. • -- to when you worked on 8 like me. Just how I am -- 9 it. 9 MR. : Well, no, no, no, this is 10 MR. -- to me working on it. 10 what you told us. 11 Yeah. 11 MR. -- yeah. 12 MR. So, likely, that's when 12 MR. So -- 13 the -- 13 MR. : Yes, yes. But I would 14 MR. : When the -- 14 have checked to make sure, like, a couple days 15 MR. -- recorders stopped? 15 later, oka it's still working. Or -- 16 MR. -- yeah. 16 MR. : And do you recall 17 MR. Okay. So, whatever, 17 (Indiscernible *01:57:17). 18 whatever work you were doing on it, likely 18 MR. : -- because I'm pretty sure 19 stopped the recordings, but no one presented 19 I looked at the Nice Vision, and the Nice 20 the issue to August 8th, 2019? 20 Vision looked like it was fine. But there 21 MR. : Yeah, but I always check 21 could have been another problem. But I don't 22 everything after I'm done. That's very strange 22 pull video. Like, I don't go back to pull 23 that I -- 23 video foriiiiiiiiliou, I don't. 24 MR. : Well, again, we think you 24 MR. : So, you just don't recall 25 checked it, but it looks like, it sounds like 25 if you ever went back and checked? 199 200 1 MR. : I'm pretty sure I checked. 1 ago -- 2 I'm more than definite. After I fixed it, I 2 MR. : Uh-huh. 3 would have checked to make sure it was working. 3 MR. -- about how, prior to 4 MR. Because the information 4 this issue, ou knew about a system failure -- 5 we have is that there is no video from July 5 MR. : Failure. 6 29th -- 6 MR. : -- and you went in and 7 MR. : 29th. 7 you fixed -- 8 MR. • -- on. 8 MR. Fixed the issue -- 9 MR. On. Yes. 9 MR. -- the issue -- 10 MR. • So -. 10 MR. -- yeah. 11 MR. : And that's the last time I 11 MR. -- or you thought -- 12 worked on it. That's what it says, right? 12 MR. That I fixed the issue. 13 MR. No, it doesn't. It just 13 MR. -- you fixed the issue• 14 says that there was a system failure of DVR-2 14 MR. Okay. 15 on July 29th 2019. 15 MR. So, what this is saying, 16 MR. la Yeah. 16 that there was a system failure on July 29th, 17 MR. : And just from talking 17 2019. And the information that we have is, 18 with you, it sounded like you knew that there 18 there was no -- 19 was a system failure, prior to that time, and 19 MR. Follow ups. 20 that's when you worked on it, and thought you 20 MR. -- recordings -- 21 resolved the issue. 21 MR. For after that. 22 MR. : I probably -. Hmm. Can 22 MR. -- from the 29th -- 23 you - I'm sorry - can you repeat that one more 23 MR. Yeah. 24 time for me? 24 MR. -- so, the 29th on. 25 MR. We spoke an hour or so 25 MR. : On. Yes. EFTA00064243 201 202 1 MR. So, it sounds like you 1 there bein a ower issue. 2 thought you fixed the issue -- 2 MR. There would be a what? 3 MR. Mi l The issue -- 3 MR. A power issue. 4 MR. : -- but you actually 4 MR. So, even though you're 5 didn't. 5 saying that there was some kind of serge 6 MR. Mi -- didn't. Yeah. 6 protectoriiiiiiiiithing on there -? 7 MR. : So, does that sound 7 MR. : There is a UPS on it. But 8 right? 8 I don't think everything was maintained the way 9 MR. a That sounds right. Yes. 9 it should have been maintained. 10 MR. : Okay. And you don't know 10 MR. : So, you think it was 11 -. Did you know - and I can't recall, at this 11 likely caused by a power, some kind of power 12 point - what would have caused it? You said it 12 outage? 13 was of old age? Because it says, "Per IN 13 MR. : If it was a power outage, 14 , the situation could have been caused 14 that would ex the problem is. 15 by a power outage, or improper shut down of the 15 MR. : But you don't know 16 DVR." 16 anything about there a power outage? 17 MR. : I have no reason to shut 17 MR. IIIIIIIII: No. I didn't know 18 it down, and it had an UPS on it. So. 18 anything about outages. 19 MR. : So, you don't think 19 MR. : And you don't -. Do you 20 either it would have been a power outage, or 20 remember ever shutting down the DVR system, 21 improper shut down? 21 prior, whiiiiiiiiiire working on it? 22 MR. : I think the way 22 MR. : Hmm. No. Can you find 23 everything, the old system was wired up, it 23 out if there was a generator test on the 20 -. 24 probably wasn't wired up correctly. I would 24 When was -? You said the 29th of July, right? 25 have to say that he is probably right about 25 MR. : Well, it looks like the 203 204 1 reason why you found this out is he went into 1 9th, or 10th. 2 the application Supervision. 2 MR. : Oh. Not until you guys 3 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Yeah. I know. Okay. I'm 3 told me there was a system failure. The only 4 going to read that now. And July 29th, that 4 thing I knew about was the, oh, that was the -- 5 would have been -. Because we do do our 5 MR. : This is the thing you 6 generator test monthly, but I don't know if it 6 said you worked on. 7 was the 29th of July. 7 MR. : -- oh. The AMS. I had to 8 MR. : Mm-hmm. I'll add that as 8 restart the AMS. Yeah. That was -- 9 the fifth request, find, provide any 9 MR. So, you did restart it? 10 information with regard to the system failure 10 MR. -- yeah. 11 issue. 11 MR. So, you did shut it down? 12 MR. That's - no, the time -- 12 MR. : Yeah. I shut it down and 13 MR. In : (Indiscernible 13 restart it. That simple. 14 *02:00:23iiIIIIIII 14 MR. So, when it says that it 15 MR. : -- do they know what time, 15 could have been caused by an improper -- 16 or they just have the thing? 16 MR. : Shut down. 17 MR. No. It just says July 17 MR. • -- shut down. 18 29th. 18 MR. Yes. 19 MR. : Yeah. 19 MR. Could have that been it, 20 MR. : All right. And do you 20 too? 21 know when - the system failure - do you know 21 MR. : No. Once you restart it, 22 when you found out about that, and how? 22 it's, like, it's a pretty small thing, like, 23 MR. : Hmm. As far as what now? 23 restarting the AMS doesn't mess anything up, 24 MR. : The system failure was 24 really. 25 the July 29th issue, not August 9th, or 8th, 25 MR. Okay. All right. But EFTA00064244 205 206 1 you did restart it? 1 record data to the hard drives." 2 MR. : Yeah. After the shut 2 MR. Mi Mm-hmm. 3 down. 3 MR. : "Also, when the 4 MR. So, technically, it is a 4 motherboard fails, the network connectivity is 5 possibilit , then, because it says you -- 5 lost because the network card is dependent on 6 MR. : No. 6 the motherboard to be functioning. And Windows 7 MR. -- no? 7 to be running, for the network card driver to 8 MR. No. 8 be operational. If and when the motherboard 9 MR. : You don't think that -- 9 failed, this would have caused the network card 10 MR. : Hey, once you do the AMS, 10 to shut off, thus triggering the above message 11 that's just the communication thing, like, if - 11 of a system failure, of DVR-2. Because it can 12 . And not everything is talking, that's when 12 no longer communicate with the DVR." Does this 13 everythiniiiiiiiiiiart working. 13 sound accurate? 14 MR. : Okay. And you said you 14 MR. Yes. 15 never would access Supervision. 15 MR. : All right. Do you know 16 MR. la Mm-hmm. 16 what caused the motherboard failure? 17 MR. : We talked about all of 17 MR. a No. 18 this. So, it says, this is now issues, "The 18 MR. : Do you remember, do you 19 motherboard failed on DVR-2. Per 19 know what affect it had? 20 , in the case of a motherboard failure, 20 MR. : I just remember I did the 21 this would cause the operating system, such as 21 electronics thing, I just did a smell test, and 22 Windows, to shut down or fail. When this 22 I knew something on the motherboard burned up. 23 happens, it would stop recording to the hard 23 You could smell that. Because I, when I took 24 drive, because the recorder software requires 24 the motherboard out, you could tell it was a 25 Windows Operating System to be operational, to 25 problem. Something on the motherboard burned 207 208 1 up. Or failure power. Or something. But it 1 you pulled the two bad drives, it's going to 2 was the motherboard. Because I do remember 2 wipe -- 3 doing that. 3 MR. : I (Indiscernible 4 MR. All right. And do you 4 *02:03:40). 5 know if this would have been caused by a power 5 MR. you're not going to be 6 outage or an improper shut down, or anything? 6 able to get 7 MR. : Hmm. No. 7 MR. (Indiscernible *02:03:41). 8 MR. No. 8 MR. -- recordings. 9 MR. : Huh-uh. 9 MR. Yes. 10 MR. : Now, this is just 10 MR. So, I guess what I'm 11 something I'm thinking out loud. Being that 11 asking is 12 you told us that you fixed this issue on the 12 MR. But there was -- 13 29th, but you also pulled the drives on the 13 MR. -- wouldn't that wipe it 14 10th, is what it would have deleted at that 14 back to the last time you worked on it? 15 point, back to the 29th, when you had last 15 MR. : -- no. It would have 16 worked on the s stem? 16 wiped out everything before that. Not the last 17 MR. : Hmm. 17 18 MR. : Do you follow what I'm 18 MR. So -- 19 asking? 19 MR. • -- time I would have 20 MR. 20 (Indiscernible *02:03:53). 21 MR. • Or it just deleted 21 MR. -- it would have just 22 everythiniiIIIIIII 22 wiped it all out? 23 MR. : I -. I don't -. I mean, 23 MR. : Yeah. 24 I don't know. 24 MR. All right. 25 MR. Because you said that, 25 MR. : So, there was video after EFTA00064245 209 210 1 I left. I fixed it. Because there was video. 1 MR. -- check it, yeah. 2 MR. All right. 2 MR. -- know anything prior -- 3 MR. : It looked like it was 3 MR. : About it. 4 recording, but it wasn't recording. 4 MR. -- to that. 5 MR. All right. So, if it 5 MR. Yeah. 6 wipes ever thin how -- 6 MR. And the July 29th issue 7 MR. : How does it -? 7 is news to ou? 8 MR. : -- how would the FBI be 8 MR. : Yes. 9 able to obtain knowledge that there was no 9 MR. : Okay. Well, we'll look 10 recordings, prior to -? Because in the more 10 into that. 11 detailed report, , doesn't it say that 11 MR. : It doesn't state clearly 12 there is no recordings prior to July 29th? 12 if they -. Was anything was retrieved, but 13 MR. : Bear with me. I'm just 13 prior to 29th (Indiscernible *02:04:54) FBI. 14 pulling uiliiiiiiiirt. 14 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. All right. Now, 15 MR. : Yeah, but the point 15 regardin the hard drive failure. It says, 16 being, you're not sure? 16 "Per , if there was a message that 17 MR.Mi As far as -? 17 stated this is in the Supervision application 18 MR. : As far as the recordings 18 of the video management system, this would 19 not working, between July 29th, 2019, and 19 indicate that the failed motherboard had been 20 August 8th, 2019. 20 either recovered, repaired, or replaced, and 21 MR.Mi No. 21 now functioning because this would allow 22 MR. : You know that they 22 Windows Operating System to run, allowing the 23 weren't recordin on August 8th. 23 recording to be in operation, and communication 24 MR. : Yeah, because I had to -- 24 to the application management server restored. 25 MR. : But you didn't -- 25 If there is one hard drive failure, the 211 212 1 system is recoverable by replacing the drive 1 MR. Okay. So, when they 2 and letting it rebuild. If there were two 2 provide us with this information, we can rely 3 drives simultaneously failed, then the recorded 3 on it to be accurate? 4 video data is lost, and unrecoverable due to 4 MR. : Yes. That is accurate. 5 the raid array needing a new configuration as 5 Yes. 6 new drives are added." Does this sound 6 MR. Okay. And what, do you 7 accurate? 7 know what caused the hard drive failure? 8 MR. Yes. 8 MR. : No. I just think it's 9 MR. • Does this sound like what 9 wear and tear because everything is so old. 10 happened? 10 MR. : Okay. But that occurred 11 MR. : That's -. Yes. 11 on August 10th. So, it sounded like the hard 12 MR. : Okay. Is 12 drive failure occurred because the two drives - 13 really the person to explain this versus you? 13 14 He's the ex ert on this correct? 14 MR. : Yes. 15 MR. and Yes. 15 MR. • -- were pulled? 16 MR. : They are the two. So -. 16 MR. Oh. I don't know. 17 MR. : And then, if you don't, 17 MR. Okay. But it says, "Per 18 knows the engineer, the engineer of -. 18 , this could have been caused by 19 Those are the u s that would know. 19 normal wear and tear -- 20 MR. : So -- 20 MR. : Tear. 21 MR. • would know somebody 21 MR. • -- and age of the hard 22 else. 22 drives." 23 MR. -- more so than you? You 23 MR. : Uh-huh. Yes. 24 get your information from them. Correct? 24 MR. Is that accurate? 25 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : Yes. EFTA00064246 213 214 1 MR. And you believe that's 1 MR. : Those are new drives. 2 what happened? 2 MR. : New drives meaning that it 3 MR. : Yes. 3 wasn't previousl replaced by you? 4 MR. And do you know what 4 MR. : Mm-hmm. 5 affect the hard drive failure had? 5 MR. : I'm sorry. I didn't hear 6 MR. : I just know there would be 6 you. 7 no video, or, you know, the drives would be 7 MR. I'm sorry? 8 bad. You can't take anything off the drives. 8 MR. : I don't know if you said 9 MR. : Okay. And again, you are 9 yes or no. That's why. I couldn't hear you. 10 the one who replaced the two drives. The FBI 10 MR. : Oh, the two new drives 11 just came and took everything. 11 were from the computer services. The drives 12 MR. : They took everything. 12 that I haiiiiiiiiid. 13 Yes. 13 MR. : No, no, no. The question 14 MR. Okay. All right. We 14 was, do you know the two drives that you said 15 covered everything else earlier in the 15 went bad, that ou had to replace, right? 16 interview. Is there anything else, or 16 MR. : Yes. 17 IIII, that we want to cover? 17 MR. : Were those two drives 18 MR. : I've got a couple of 18 previousliiiiiiiiid by you? 19 follow up uestions. 19 MR. : I have no idea. There is 20 MR. Please. 20 no way of me knowing what was replaced, or 21 MR. : Mr. , the two hard 21 there was no s stem -- 22 drives that you pulled on August 10th, to 22 MR. : Okay. 23 replace it, where those two the two drives you 23 MR. : -- in place to see if I 24 had previously replaced, or are those the 24 wrote down a list, like, one through 16, I 25 different ones? 25 replaced on this date, and one through 16, I 215 216 1 replaced on this other date. There's -. I 1 MR. : -- yeah, there was no -. 2 can't tell you what was fixed, or when, how it 2 But he wasn't there. 3 was fixed. There was no maintenance log of 3 MR. : So, we know, on August 4 what was chap ed or repaired. 4 9th, he was there until at least 7:00 p.m. 5 MR. : Okay. And we were told by 5 MR. : 7:00. Oh. Oh, he's 6 that, previously, when you 6 probably not -. He was probably not in his 7 had to sta and work in the camera room -- 7 office, then. Because the office is right next 8 MR. : Yes. 8 to the room. 9 MR. -- there were situations 9 MR. Yeah. "On August 8th, 10 where that you had to do work in the camera 10 SIS went right next to him, 11 room, and if she or had to leave, she 11 in his office, and provided him the memo 12 would leave the keys with the captain, and you 12 regarding the issue." On August 9th is when 13 could continue doing the work -- 13 you said that you couldn't gain access to the 14 MR. Yes. 14 room, but we do, in fact, know that was 15 MR. -- in the captain's room. 15 there until at least 7:00 p.m. 16 MR. : That is correct. Yes. 16 MR. : The thing about this memo 17 MR. : How come, on August 8th, 17 part, that I don't get it, is that there could 18 you couldn't do that? 18 have been memos from before, like, that 19 MR. : There was no captain. 19 decision make any sense to me. Because this is 20 MR. : There was no captain on 20 not the only time the recorder failed. So, to 21 August 8th? 21 have a memo this one time, when Epstein 22 MR. : No. There was an acting 22 happens, like, that just doesn't make sense to 23 captain. I don't think there was a captain. 23 me. 24 There was nob 24 MR. : Okay. So -- 25 MR. • 25 MR. W. Is it -- EFTA00064247 217 218 1 MR. -- and the fact that -- 1 do their job. So, that's the long and short of 2 MR. -- sorry. 2 it. 3 MR. -- there is this memo -- 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. Yeah. 4 MR. : I'm not trying to say that 5 MR. -- what do you think that 5 anybody did anything. But I'm just saying, 6 suggests? 6 like, now everybody wants to write memos, and 7 MR. : Somebody is trying to say 7 have statements, when all this stuff was 8 they did their job where they didn't do their 8 happening before, is there records of you 9 job. 9 calling and saying there was a problem? I have 10 MR. : So, you think that the 10 records of me saying there was a problem, and I 11 memo was, in fact, created on the 10th, instead 11 I'm trying to fix the problem. And I stayed 12 of the 8th? 12 and fixed the problem. But these other people 13 MR. : I don't know when it was 13 that are saying stuff, man. 14 created. I'm just saying, people are trying to 14 MR. : Yeah. So, in any -- 15 cover their tracks. To say they were notified, 15 MR. : That doesn't make sense to 16 and they told this person, and that person. 16 me. 17 When I got there, and I was trying to explain 17 MR. : -- any of those records, 18 to everybody how important most of the systems 18 you can give us, again, that's going to be 19 were, everybody just looked at me like I'm 19 greatly appreciated. I'm going to follow up 20 spinning two heads. Like, I'm not telling you 20 with an email, asking what we talked about, but 21 -. I'm, like, I came from a compound. There 21 anything else that you think will be helpful, 22 was a medium. There is a high. There is a 22 to help us? 23 low. There is a death row. If something 23 MR. : Yeah. I just, I'm sorry 24 doesn't work, it's a jail, you have to stay. 24 you guys have to go through this, because I, I 25 Now, after Epstein happens, everybody wants to 25 mean, I'm still going through it. 219 220 1 MR. : Right, right, right. 1 MR. : Oh, and the job failure. 2 MR. M .i But I'm pretty sure you 2 Was that on my part? Like, not doing my job, 3 guys want to et it over with yourself. So. 3 or not noiiiiiiiiiiybody, or what -? 4 MR. . Anything else, =*? 4 MR. : Well, when we're talking 5 MR. No. That's it. 5 to people, we're telling everybody the same 6 MR. No. 6 thing. 7 MR. • I.? 7 MR. Thing, yeah. 8 : Nothing from me. 8 MR. It's not our decision, 9 MR. Okay. We're going to end 9 really, to make, ou know -- 10 this, then. 10 MR. : Mm-hmm. 11 MR. : Yeah. 11 MR. -- to say -- 12 MR. • Anything you want to add? 12 MR. What -- 13 MR. : No. Just send me the 13 MR. -- we're going to 14 emails, and I will try to get you some 14 basically -- 15 information. 15 MR. (Indiscernible 16 MR. • Okay. 16 *02:11:18). 17 MR. : Yeah. Thank you, guys. I 17 MR. provide the 18 know this not easy for you guys -- 18 information -- 19 MR. No. 19 MR. : Information. 20 MR. -- to go over the same 20 MR. -- to the BOP. 21 thing. 21 MR. Yeah. 22 MR. And we appreciate your 22 MR. They determine 23 cooperation. Thank you. 23 MR. : Determine -- 24 MR. : Yeah. 24 MR. -- you know, the actions 25 MR. It is -. 25 EFTA00064248 221 222 1 MR. -- oh, he should have said 1 MR. a Yeah. 2 this. Yeah. 2 MR. : All right. So, if that's 3 MR. -- you know, and all that 3 it? 4 kind of stuff -- 4 MR. : That's it. 5 MR. Mi But look -- 5 MR. All right. 6 MR. : I mean, we will have our, 6 MR. : That's my last piece. 7 you know -- 7 MR. : It is currently 10:27 8 MR. : -- the thing about this 8 a.m. on September 29th, 2021. This is Senior 9 whole thing, I'm just going to add my part, 9 Special Agent , and I'm 10 because I came from another institution. If 10 turning off the recorder. Thank you. 11 there is a problem, and, like, especially the 11 12 cameras, somebody should be notified. Okay. 12 13 I'm the guy that fixes it. Okay. , what 13 14 are you doing? Have you fixed it? Now, after 14 15 Epstein happens, and we've had recorder issues 15 16 now, and that was what I sent the email, okay, 16 17 I fixed this, I did this, I did that. But 17 18 before that it was not happening. 18 19 MR. : Right. 19 20 MR...17 That's the only part I 20 21 want to add. That's -. Now, everybody covers 21 22 their tracks. But before this, sad to say this 22 23 had to cause the whole Bureau to wake up. But 23 24 24 25 MR. : Right. 25 223 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of , Transcriber EFTA00064249