denial. . ."). A properly instructed jury could conclude after hearing all of the evidence at trial
that the defendant intended the natural meaning of the words she used, not the allegedly truthful
answer she suggests now, and therefore that she lied. In sum, the defendant's post-hoc efforts to
inject confusion into clear questioning are unavailing and should be rejected, and the jury should
decide whether the defendant's answers were false.
2. July 2016 Deposition
Count Six charges the defendant with perjury arising from three colloquies at the second
deposition.
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de Following that line of questioning, the following
colloquy occurred:
When you and Mr. Epstein were engaged in sexual activity that
included these other women, were any devices or sex toys used as
part of the sexual activity?
A. No.
Q. Were you ever involved in sexual activities in Mr. Epstein's Palm
Beach house that included the use of sex toys or any kind of
mechanical or other device?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to form and foundation.
A. No.
Q. Were you ever involved in sexual activities in any of Mr.
Epstein's properties other than Palm Beach that included the use of
sex toys or any kind of mechanical or other device?
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Q. Were you aware of the presence of sex toys or devices used in
sexual activities in Mr. Epstein's Palm Beach house?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Objection to form and foundation.
A. No, not that I recall.
awyer asked the following
question:
Q. Do you know whether Mr. Epstein possessed sex toys or devices
used in sexual activities?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Obiection to form adation,
A. No.
The defendant now argues that these questions are ambiguous because they contain
"numerous undefined terms," such as "sex toy or device" and "sexual activities." (Def. Mot. 4 at
14). She asks, for instance, whether "bath oil" would count as a sex toy or device. (Id.). Yet this
argument is simply another attempt to imbue ambiguity after the fact into commonly used words
with common sense meanings. The mere fact that a term could apply equally to several different
objects does not automatically mean that the question is impermissibly vague and can never fonn
the basis of a perjury charge. See, e.g., H.L.A. Hart, Positivism and the Separation ofLaw and
Morals, 71 Han'. L. Rev. 593, 607 (1958) ("A legal rule forbids you to take a vehicle into the
public park. Plainly this forbids an automobile, but what about bicycles ... ?"). Instead, it is well-
settled that "[t]he jury should determine whether the question—as the declarant must have
understood it, giving it a reasonable reading—was falsely answered." Lighte, 782 F.2d at 372. So
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long as the question involves a phrase "which could be used with mutual understanding by a
questioner and answerer," it is not fundamentally ambiguous. Id. at 375 (internal quotation matks
omitted); see United States v. Jenkins, 727 F. App'x 732,735 (2d Cir. 2018) ("An individual of
ordinary intelligence would not think that a question asking for information regarding `real estate,
stocks, bonds, . . . or other valuable property' would allow omission of information regarding
money market funds ....").
The use ofbroad or inclusive terms does not render the question fundamentally ambiguous.
As the Second Circuit explained in the context of the term "employment activities," "[t]tle bmad
language of the question is not fundamentally ambiguous; it is instead designed to capture all
employment activities in an applicant's recent history." United States v. Polos, 723 F. App'x 64,
65-66 (2d Cir. 2018). So too here. A "sex toy or device" is an intelligible phrase with an
understood meaning. See Sex Toy, Oxford English Dictionary Online,
https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/176989 (last visited February 12, 2021) ("[A] device or object
designed for sexual stimulation (as a dildo, vibrator, etc.) or to enhance sexual pleasure or
performance.").
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The defendant's objections to the next colloquy in the indictment are similarly unavailing.
Shortly after the above exchange, the following conversation occurred:
O. At any time in any ofMr. Epstein's properties, did you engagenir
sexual activities with any woman other than when you had three-
!way sexual activities with Mr. Epstein?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form.
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A. Can you repeat the question?
Q. At any timlitry of Mr. Epstein's properties, did you engage
in sexual activi with any woman other than when you had three-
way sexual activities with Mr. Epstein?
MR. PAGLIUCA: Same objection.
A. No.
Q. Other than yourself and the blond and brunette that you have
identified as having been involved in three-way sexual activities,
with whom did Mr. Epstein have sexual activities?
A. I wasn't aware that he was having sexual activities with anyone
when I was with him other than myself.
Q. I want to be sure that I'm clear. Is it your testimony that in the
1990s and 2000s, you were not aware that Mr. Epstein was having
sexual activities with anyone other than yourself and the blond and
brunette on those few occasions when they were involved with you?
A. That is my testimony, that is correct.
The defendant primarily argues that her answers were literally true. In the defendant's
telling, the phrase "[w]hen I was with him," refers not to the duration of the defendant's
relationship with Epstein, but instead to only those moments when she was in the act of having sex
with Epstein and either the blond or brunette identified above. (Def. Mot. 4 at 16).
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beca4reeivities by defitr And in any event,
she further argues, because the question asked the defendant about the 1990s and 2000s, it
therefore covered any 'sexual activities' spanning more than a millennium." (Id. at 16-17).
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The defendant, therefore, argues that the questioner asked whether a logically impossible
event occurred or will occur at some point over the course of a millennium. But the defendant's
professed confusion—which again was not raised during the deposition itself—ignores the plain
and obvious context of the question, which did not refer to a time period far exceeding the human
life span, and was not limited to only the times in which the defendant was in the act of having sex
with Epstein. Plainly, a jury could find that the defendant correctly understood the question when
she answered it in July 2016, and that she ascribed a natural meaning to the words used in the
questions, and not the tortured illogical meaning she now assigns to those questions: whether,
during the course of her relationship with Epstein, she was aware of anyone other than herself
having sexual relations with Epstein. The Government expects its evidence to show that she was.
See, e.g., Indictment I 1 (stating that the defendant "assisted, facilitated, and contributed to"
Epstein's sexual abuse of minors). At a minimum, the defendant's answers were not"literally true
under any conceivable interpretation of the questions." Lighte, 782 F.2d at 374. And the
defendant's professed confusion now and proposed illogical reading of the questions in the instant
motion does not render them fundamentally ambiguous. See Bonacorsa, 528 F.2d at 1221 ("A
defense to a charge of perjury may not be established by isolating a statement from context, giving
it in this manner a meaning entirely different from that which it has when the testimony is
considered as a whole."). Accordingly, a jury should be permitted to determine what meaning the
defendant ascribed to those questions and whether her answers were in fact false.
Finally, the defendant answered the following questions:
Q. Did you ever give a massage to anyone other than Mr. Epstein at
any of Mr. Epstein's properties?
A. First of all, I never said I gave Mr. Epstein a massage.
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Q. I will ask that question if you want, but I was focusing on people
other than Mr. Epstein right now.
A. I don't give massages.
Q. Let's just tie that down. It is your testimony that you've never
given anybody a massage?
A. I have not given anyone a massage.
Q. You never gave Mr. Epstein a massage, is that your testimony?
A. That is my testimony.
Q. You never gave [Minor Victim-2] a massage is your testimony?
A. I never gave [Minor Victim-21a massage.
(Ex. 11 at 112:17-113:12).
The defendant argues that these questions were fundamentally ambiguous because the
deposition elsewhere discussed both sexual and professional massages. It was unclear, she
explains, what kind of massage the questioner meant. (Def. Mot. 4 at 17.) The defendant's
argument is, yet again, misguided. This line of questioning used broad language, and at no point
during this set of questions did ounsel suggest that the questions were limited to sexual
or professional massages. Cf. Lighte, 782 F.2d at 376 (concluding that the word "you" was
ambiguous when the prior two questions asked about the defendant "as an individual" and then
switched "without indication" to the defendant "as trustee"). The defendant's answers were
unequivocal, with no expressions of confusion or internal contradictions. Cf Markiewicz, 978
F.2d at 809 (explaining that a question was ambiguous as to whether it asked about the deponent's
personal or professional capacities, in light of the deponent's confusion in the next questions). A
properly instructed jury could conclude that the defendant meant what she said: she never gave
anyone a massage, including Epstein and Minor Victim-2.
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Govemment has reviewed the full report and confirmed that there is nothing exculpatory contained
therein. To the contrary, the report inculpates the defendant. Accordingly, the defendant is not
entitled to its immediate disclosure. The Government will produce an unredacted version of this
document together with all other witness statements in advance of tria1.67
Fourth, the defense requests production of pages from a personaldiary that is in the custody
of a civilian third party and is not in the custody or control of the Government. (Def. Mot. 10 at
10). Leaving aside the fact that the defense cites no authority for the proposition that the
Government has an obligation to obtain the personal papers of a third party, see United States v.
Collins, 409 F. Supp. 3d 228,239 (S.D.N.Y. 2019) ("The Government's `Brady obligations extend
only to materials within prosecutors' possession, custody or control or, in appropriate cases, that
of the Department of Justice, perhaps another part of the Executive Branch, or a comparable state
authority involved in the federal prosecution.' (quoting United States v. Blaszczak, 308 F. Supp.
3d 736, 742 (S.D.N.Y. 2018))), the Government has already represented that it has asked the third
party at issue about the materials the defendant purports to seek and that no such materials exist
In particular, to the extent the defense is concerned with whether there are diary entrie
the Government has already indicated in response to the defendant's second bail
motion that it is aware of none. (See Dkt. No. 100 at 11 n. 2 aPPeditill
67 As is the case with the other redacted document referenced in this motion, the redacted copy
defense counsel attached as Exhibit D was recovered during the execution of a search warrant for
one of Epstein's devices and was produced to defense counsel in the form in which it was
recovered from the device.
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. In other words, the defendant again seeks supposedly exculpatory
evidence that does not exist. The defendant offers no basis on which to conclude that this
representation is false or that any such evidence does in fact exist. As such, this motion should be
denied.
Fifth, the defendant asks this Court, again without citing any legal authority, to order the
Government to produce copies o fall subpoenas it has issued for the defendant's records as part of
its investigation in this case. (Def. Mot. 10 at 11). This incredibly broad request is nothing more
than a fishingexpedition inappropriately seekingthe details of investigative requests made through
the grand jury process. The defense has cited no legal basis for the Court to direct the Government
to provide the defense with copies of the subpoenas themselves (as opposed to records or other
materials received in response to such subpoenas), let alone every subpoena issued for the
defendant's records during a multi-year and ongoing grand jury investigation. The types of
requests issued by the grand jury have no conceivable bearing on the defense or on any motion the
defense may seek to bring. The Government has already produced to the defense all discoverable
material that it has received in response to subpoenas issued to date during this investigation. In
the absence of any legal authority justifying this request, it should be denied. Additionally, for the
reasons discussed above in Sections I and IV, the defendant is not entitled to discovery or a hearing
relating to her motion to dismiss the Indictment based on the NPA or her motion to suppress
subpoena returns.
Sixth, the defendant asks the Court to direct the Government to immediately disclose any
Brady and Giglio material. (Def. Mot. 10 at 11-13). The motion for disclosure of Brady material
should be denied as moot because the Government has conducted a search for any such material
and has already disclosed any potentially exculpatory information in its possession of which it is
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