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Page El 9.1.• 82 UNITED STMES DISTRICT COURT 1 APPEARANCES: SOMMRN DISTRICT Or FLOOIDA CUE IM.08-CV-80119-GIV4PARA/J01135031 2 On behalf of the Tliantilfs: 3 RIONARD WILLITS. ESQUIRE JAKE DOC NO. 2. plat $$$$$ I. 5 6 JEFFREY EPSTEIN. STUART MERNELIMIN, ZMUIRE Defendant. mou•elelit 4 ennwsres • Related mew 08-80234 0840180, 98.80381, 0840994, 1 0840993, 08-8081I, 0840993, 0940469, 09-50591, 09-80446, 0940102, 0941092 10 It WILLIAM J. ROOM, ESQUIRE RORISTEIN RIMENFELDT ADM* VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION Or JUAN ALESSI 12 MIME If 13 Tuesday, September 8. 2009 10i12 a.n. - 3:45 p.n. 16 15 YATNERIWZ EZELL, POI:WORST CREECH. P.A. 16 2139 Pals beech Letts Boulevard 17 West Palm Mech. flor IN 33401 le If ADM J. LAM010. ESQ000, LEOPOLD MNIN 20 Reported ny: Sandra W. Townsend. flit 21 Votary Public. state of Florida PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY 22 Went Fels Mack Or flee 23 26 25 0608324500 PROSE COURT REPORTINGAGENCY. INC (5611832.7» 0611 $12.7500 110.14 COURT attakTIMG MOM. MC. aura. yaw laala Mee Iskaaarea M1wiM:M:sNlal• TamaMaw._ ~ al" Waal ea. •~ma«. a a_ ....oalnwasa ra i• r tel•~ tun. %an. 40 ilk Ca «Vs. aniaan Minn CIS reg• 1 On behalf of the Defendant: PROCEEDINGS 2 ROBERT J. GRITION. ESQUIRE 2 Wimp. rsirm: !Pain" 3 Dep0sitiOn taker: before Sandra M. TO.M5Oted. Court 4 Reporter end Notary Public. In and for the State et 5 FlOride at large, in the above Cause. 5 6 6 (Continued tron VOluse 1.1 VIDCOGRATIMIO we'te going beet On the record e • at 12:52. 10 10 CRASS EXAMMTIO11 11 BY PR. MMINO: 11 12 O. Rolle. My maw le Mae Langan., and I 12 13 11 represent el 1.11 have fewer questions than the rot 14 ll of everybody. since I's: going next in line. nut one of 15 15 the thing. 1 vented to tak you 14 16 lat. GRIMM: before you get .,tart ed. let m IT Just put on fry objection. 18 Is Ma, your client le who allege. that 19 19 she vas at Wr. Met•in's house raset W. 1 think.. 20 20 On One occasion in the ban of '03. 21 21 This Mtn's, Is neither relevant, nor 22 22 material, nor Can It lead to the adnisalhil ay 0 21 2) any relevant infonutIM regardlng ny client. So I 26 24 nnrh, ilt•nd *0 you ce rtainly can notice Mu, Du: 25 25 .•:. 7ove to •trike 4711 of the question and 1561> 832- i7o.: PROM [Quirt REPOM:116 MICKY. D.C. 1561) 02-7506 1)61> toot COURT REPORTING. ACTICY. INC. 1561) 102-004 mmenntemagme...—vmmanma theaalhdleneflak. a...alas!~ 00a01.~Deb .„„„,,,..~.~« Rua:~ MPONMIgerge Now 3504-022 Page I of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_000026 15 EFTA00157568 Pau. 05 Pepe 46 1 enviers in response to yobs question.. 1 Were there any general difference, between 2 le. lANGINO: Thank you. those message theraplet• that you pall with check. and 3 BT MR. LANGIMO: 3 ' h. " that You paid with canal? 4 O. One thine I won't sure about was the dote Of R. Mo. ear. It seas ... when I vas then savoys 5 your enploynent. When did you start with Nr. Cpolein? 5 was a hundred dollar. an hour rat*. root was ler 6 A. : as not sure. air. but I think I started lull 6 everybody. 7 tine ea ay salary. I was on the roll In 1591. 1551. O. Dad you ever hear Jeffrey Epstein talk about January 1, 1951. S hie lea...apes? 0. In 1551. you started full time with 9 10 Nr. Epstein? 10 O. At one point you wild that you're not -- this 11 A. Yea, wafting for hin alone. 1 left all ny 11 night be aunNarazing your terettoony -- that you way not )2 Clients. I left -- dissolved ny ~Pan?. 12 be the beat guesser or ages. Is that sornhInq that you 1) 0. And in what year did you start past tine at 1) nay hove said earl er today? 14 his house? 14 AIR. CRITIC«, Fora. IS A. 1590. '90. 15 INC INTIMSS: Yeah. Yeah. 1 think I -- you 16 Q. lea rentlored earlier that sole of the snap. 14 can be thirtieth twentleS. I don't kn0w. 1? therapist. you pald with check.? It BY MR. ?AMINO: 19 A. Yes. le 19 0. And acne Of the aaaaapa therapist. you paid it 20 with cash? 20 It A. Sorry. can you repeat the au/ration, SI 22 O. Sure. You wintiored earlier that you paid 22 2) .ore of the passel. therapist. with chock. and song with SI 21 cash? 24 2$ 25 Wala 002.1550 naCer. Moat PRPOklqinn AGONY. PC. (5611 012-/$04 (5611 1112-7500 WOO COWN RENDSTINU AGONY. :NC. 05611 M -75O6 amewiressewi...•••••••••••ewesiew rerweerwieeseensweasuesiorallee ses~erive.wwwstanninin g ....ackso••••• wasescraeleanneteme Pepe 91 Pau* Oa 1 message therapists that car r0 give Nisse0a.? 2 2 That's Correct. Rao Cabs you paid fault a couple of tines 4 today? 5 KR. CRITTOM: Fern. 6 TNN 11:TMESS: You caked se. They asked no. 2 7 • think 1 Just answer question... S • by IS. IAMGINO: As you reflect back in your ties 'sorting for 10 10 Nr. Epstein. today de you believe you turned a bland eye 11 ll to sona Of the apes Of the *Peen Or finales that worked 12 12 for Jeffrey Cpetelri with ma»&OOe1? I) I) M. CRITTCW: Porn. 14 14 TNN INTOOSS: Can you repeat the question? IS IS BY is. LANCING: 14 16 Q. Sure. A. you fat here today and reflect back 17 On your time waking for Jeffrey Epstein. do you believe 14 19 You turned a bl lad ay* Or ignored. pryO'41Y Ignored the 19 It epee Of the females that gave hin swages? 20 20 MR. CROFTON: 4Om. 21 Si nirret5S: I don•t [new. I den •t -- I 22 22 cannot -- not a judo.. I don't know. I don't 23 21 knew. I don't think so. Sincerely. I don't think 24 0. you Penn:Intl a few tines today that you were 24 25 never told to chock the 1OantifiCatIOn of any of the 25 BY MR. LANG1MO: '5611 912-'500 hedis Cook? klieariliC AGENCY. 14C. 6611 6)2-75O6 15411 TN WOO re:L.2 CCONT lisraNaT,MG AC[Mn. INC. (5615 ON /504 •••••••••••~••••••••••wwweas resterewenewie•ww•Nrunriena• ...~~~~ ,9a=nkti trieesernacoesperer ine".. " ... .51.•••••••"~" . ". 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Did you keep up with Mr. Epotein's -- keep 4 friendly ways and never heard iron his &gain. 9 Informed of Mr. Eptiteln'S Criminal COS* while it we in 9 And I received this free the police department 10 the paper? 10 that we need to talk to you. And. 00. I got seared. 11 A. Only whet was On Iv. What it was On tr. Ii And .1 called the office In New York. 12 that's how I found Out. 12 I says. I would like to speak to Mr. Epstein. 13 O. sow Os you feel about Mr. Epstein today? II And he come on. end I said, I told him. I 14 A. : feel bed, sincerely 1 fool bed, because he 14 say. . Jeffrey, what's going one What's happening? I 15 was -- with me, with my family, with my wife, he was • 15 thought it was related to the problem that I had 16 waxy generous guy. extremely -- I don't Now whet the 16 petsonaily with him settled. It used Is in Erml Leh -- but he would press for perfection. 17 And I says -- no, he says. And he says to me. 28 I smart. and that was • very stmeesful job. but, IS nO, John. It's nothing to do with that, has nothing 10 19 Otherelse, I have no emblem, with him at all. And 1 L9 do with it. I've been -- I don't know if he told me I 20 feel had about it. what'. haveened it, his life. 20 been sued or I been -- It's • ptoblen with ne. they're 21 Q. nave you had any contact with Mr. Epetein 21 Investigating sOmething and 1 cannot talk to you. That 22 you ended working there? 22 wAs the *net And tbat'e it. 23 A. After I work -- after I end working with tint 2) My Other COnvereatiOn, with Kr. Epstein -- 24 Y . I did. 24 ne. 25 when 'him can, when this criminal came 25 -- circa that conversation? '%i1 531-1140 engst COver IMPOIMIK AGENCY. INC. it4li 0170104 (telt $21.1100 PROSE COOK REPORT:NC AGENCY, :NC. tt4ii 411.1104 Reweesenewmerwoonwwwwwmenweime teammonewnsestesereetwommien " IN CON law In."."......."1"...". 1===lroloowenewe ewe toonore'm'••••"•"'"'"• warantennas en • anuomounnocannor Page 91 Page 92 NO Called AO and he nay. John. we need to 2 Q. At Bono points you were caught stealing fro. 2 talk. Mr. Epstein; is that true? I Pays. Okay. Where? A. We settled with him as • borrowing money trot 4 And -- and we net At a luncheonette in Palm him. Okay? 5 POE% and we have • friendly conversation. Me soled M. PIKAORR: As whet? 6 about my kids, about ny fealty. TtlE WITIiCT: Rolrowing. Then -- Is this related to Mr. Epstein', Gee? M. LANCING: Borrowing. O. It Se. by M. LANCING: 9 A. Because I prefer to keep this -- this -- I was 10 0. When you took the money (too Mr. Epstein, -- 10 not IncrieMnated. 1 watt not -- I went to the police 11 A. Yes. sir. 11 deportment. 1 mode ny statement and there was no 12 0. -- did he give yea petwiselon to take that 12 charges filed. 13 money? 13 X don't think I would like to continue with 14 14 this. 15 At any point Old you take a firearm from IS IS. CRITTOW: Let no just put on the second as 16 Kr. Epstein? 16 think ms conplllll y irrelevant, immaterial, 1? it's not calculated to lead to the -- le O. At any point Old you enter Kr. Epstein', 1$ THE 14111413$: And it less often -- 19 property when you mere mot allowed to he thorn? 19 MR. ER:210M: Let me just finish putting my 20 A. Yen. 20 Objection on. 21 O. And was that the Incident when you took •0/. 21 As I understand it. It occurred long before he 22 normy from him? 22 ever got the Card Iron the polite. I think you're 23 21 hereptlIng his. I think you're trying tO IntiRlditte 24 v. Can you explain to on how you and Mi. Epstein 24 his and 1 think it's inapptstos4t.. 2n agreement that the cops would not be called: 111 wt. 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And w0 end an al ', lends. NO did not 9 O. Neve you ever spoken with any independent 10 break It apart. 10 .....tigators regarding the actions, the criminal 11 BY XR. LANOINO: 11 act lone that occurred at Jeffrey Epetein's home? 12 Q. As you alt here today. do you have a sense of 12 Yes. 13 personal loyalty to Mx. Epstein? 13 than did that occur? 14 A. Mo. Natter of fact, that lot has .alt en 14 A. Right after I receive e card from the pollee IS a lot of se 1 avenological pro/game. 15 depertemot, when I call Jeffrey and : ask him, ehst's 16 16 going on? 11 17 No says. I cannot talk to you. Somebody we.: It IS use en you, IS 19 And titer, I got a call frees this. guy that I 2C 20 gannet recall his nee. new. talked to sae arg at set at 21 nes rhea •• whet i onet you 444444 to end. II, Grabbed. And we talked -- what? -- about 15 minutes. 22 And I went to end it there. 22 Md he asked ma (betetIOne gust Ilk& IOU guy* axe aerie, 23 have .. not herd think ny stay thene. 21 ma and I says a: Melly the ears. answers. 24 In r•flecting tho 'ob. I was not paid eoll onowah for 24 And he sage. 'will. there's on investigation 25 ght we did. And too late new. 25 against eel'l tag. You has nothirq to do with it. you (eel: al2.4e00 PROSE COOS? ArPOrThin AGFA:T. 1NC. 0411 a)?-7104 (5611 $)2.1500 PAM= COURT RenhenliC AGENCY, (341i 032-itee eginseeelimemenehriessamos '`"`•••••••••••••"•••"—PNICgeadesweenekneetwnsr""'" g ...." ....”IIMEISESErbnuseiwreeare,•seso„Joisegsgas eusweonensehewne agusessesteinmmosn Page 95 ?age 96 here nothing to do, nothing to worry about At• but if you would describe as blood) 2 you went to hire a govern to protect yoares II. No. never. And I finked -- r. thatIon to hits ••••, I don• t Cio you renomber seeing anything that you would eh, to net .....wing ad see,. ..neetning yen en. describe as • sexual fluid? 5 sialsocdv trvino to inert...... se (or -- tor Sr lob. A. No, never. And he says, no, no. no. Out If you want to 6 0. When you worked for Jeffrey Spoleto. the wosan get a lawyer, that's fin*. that you were married to. what Is her nen. Or -- what le And that'. where I got Mr. Myrna, and he..)at 6 her name? 9 cans to um. to akin thin. to -- that Wee the one nf 9 A. The noun that I was neer led tol 10 Q. Mho got Kr. Nuriell for you? 10 Q. I think -- the reason 'a eating la because 11 A. Win got it/ Mr. English.. 11 earlier today mean you first spoke, I thought I )2 Q. Shen you not with this investigator at )2 reseaborod you saying that you -- both you and your )3 Carabba•, -- 13 IS A. Yee. 14 IS Q. -- dld he record your convered.un -- 15 Q. -- Worked (or Ht. Epstein? 16 A. 16 A. It's still my wife. It's still icy wife. We I? 0. -- In Any way? 11 didn't -- loo got Leeway* away fro.* divorce and the Is After %hie needing et Carabbas. 0id you meet IS lawyers were toting ny nerdy by pipeline. 19 with any other Investigators? 19 O. And what is her nano? 20 20 A. And we decide not to diver** gad we 'hill 21 -- dories your inspection of the tosser* 2: together. 22 rove alter thew! massages had been completed with 22 Sorry. I Missed that. But what is her ramie' 2) Mr. Epstein. -- 23 A. wee.. 24 24 O. bet es bah look through dry notes to see If I 2$ Q. -- do you [saber seeing any -- anything that 2$ have any other questions. 0.41i f/2.1501 rsorr COST ihrO/dha: AGENCY, INC. (5411 thr•Shal (561) f12-4500 MSC CCM Nelentr/MG AGENCY, hC. 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Maria. does she live at the ear* 11 the shopping. getting movie tickets, show tickets. bay 12 address a0 you h0e? 12 books, blind the food to Kis. EtAteln'S -- Kr. Epstein's A. Yes. she does. 13 mother. sometimes drive Mrs. Spaeth to the doctors. 14 O. New, when you began sorting lull time for 16 She was not involved -- and wart she did 15 Mr. Spoleto. I believe you said that was around 1921. Or IS sons cleaning for me. 16 that correct? 16 0. did she live with you in the upstairs I? Yea. 17 apartment? IP O. Was your wife, was she hired at the nee tore lb 19 its you? 19 20 A. No. She was hired three years after. 20 21 O. And NA did that come about that your wife sr) 21 22 hired? 22 there. Out I had to stay these beanie 9y Job starts 2) A. My wife was hired because we had a housekeeper 23 from 5:00 in the sins nn to 10:00 et Binh' 24 that one was doing the cleaning and she left. Then we 24 O. Mid did Maria leave her employment the sea 25 had another housekeeper. Polish girl. and she lett. 25 tins as you? 11411 01).:11C MM AK ctiar srscAlliii' AGENCY. IOC. if6 i 812-1:06 11411 652-11.0, )ROSE COAT Pre0401$40. MGM,. KIC. 15611 01Z-1504 owsimeerereeeteenewasnanansimw sweeress Ammeeetirt0840/0 ""Taf(flagnIA. weeeKb..m 0.1... " 1" Ta' s'n•KSISIBIIMANBele ......sousestewsisees ammonia...aeons esseseseeisseneenn Page 99 Vega 100 1 Yea. ise did at the ars time. 1 this show. And she would have to travel -- and I was on 2 O. you testified that you would come into the 2 the phone with so wife constantly, buy this, get this. bedroom and clean up after that correct? 3 get this -- and the food, and the food because it was • 4 A. That's correct. 4 five-star hotel. 5 O. Old you -- were there occasions Were you had 5 Q. Old Its. 'Unwell or Ms. [patio over instruct 6 your wife help you with that? 6 your wife to do housecleaning tasks) 7 7 No. : was blamed for everything. 0. mere there -- did she hove occasion to go into O Q. You were blamed for everything, the easter bedroom? 9 A. : was blamed for the gad and the bad. 10 A. It was occasions before that she will help to 10 O. Old you -- during the time your wife wet Il set up the tables once in a while, set up the oils and II there, did you also have a hired housekeeper? 12 the tables. But I will do the clean up 12 A. Ma have a crew of house/Cleaners. we have • 13 Q. Is there • reason for that? I) crew of peOple that would Cone t0 the rouse and do a 14 A. I was non) involved into the final appearance 14 -- 1 Keane 0eep cleaning. you know, to the house. 15 Of the house. And It wee my responsibility to mate sure If Mae that every day? 16 that every coo. was perfect after they Nit and before 16 A. Once • week -- 0m it watt type a *AA. It I, they went to bed. )7 was ',weedily and friday.. II 0. was there anyone else who assigned your wire 16 It depends on Mr. Epritein't eche/Ade because IS work other than you? 19 he didn't -- he didn't want nobody at the house while he 20 A. MO. KS. Maxwell. etOmetliniS She would tell my 20 use at the house. So we have to rearrange cloys for the 21 wife. 00 buy >Coe stuff. 00 get this and go get that. 21 clean-tp crew to cone in. And r usually did that. As 22 She was mostly -- my wife was scatty out of the house. 22 soon as they left 1 bring the cleaning clew, get the 13 She was -- this house was Mr. Spetein would pays. go get 23 hOuse reedy and -- end get set for then for the next 14 a* this book. go get lie this eaqaxinot 9a get en 24 trip. 25 tickets, nevie tiCket• for this Sheet and (hie shoe and 25 O. Old you have a hefeekeeper Ntip did /561) 012-7500 rtfOr COOPY NEPATING AM:Y. INC. (Sell anti14 1,41r M.1531 AIM COURT IMPOKtle: astsCY, INC. 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II C . was she doing housekeeping chores? 0. So on an everyday bests when Mr. Epetein ea* 12 A. Yee. she was doing the housekeeping chores. 12 there, yea were the only person who seas cleaning? 13 0. Weil. who did it then crier your wife became 13 lee -- yeah. or ay wife will help. 14 employed there. because and wasn't doing the 14 At your instruction? 15 housekeeping? 15 That'. right. 14 A. I was. I was *Arm it and then we hire people 16 O. Out you don't ever rent-bet her cleaning Up 17 for to help us. 17 after maPsagel? IS O. SO you were the Main person doing the IS 19 housecleaning? If Is It possible that you Instructed her to 20 A. Yeah. 20 clean up? al O. And daring -- between that tic* that your elle 21 A. it's poseiblo, but -- 22 started end when you lett the employment, wee there 22 lat. MUTTON: yowl. Asking Me to speculate. 23 separate housekeeper employed during that tine? 23 BY IS. MEAWELSTCM: 24 No. Pull tine? No. 24 O. Tow tan wooer. 25 INII-tine housekeeper? 23 A. 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And who generally would answer the door? 12 Mr. Epstein and find out where they want to have the A. Me or ny wire. 13 ne)sage. or if it vas for his or for Ma. Maxwell. And I 14 O. So you would let then In? le Iftledlately. if thee were repeat oicl• that are -- they 15 IS will know inIeCtly where to 90. And 1 will go UP with 16 tat. CINITON: Stuart. con ! Just ask you? You 14 thole set the tables, and they will watt for him or her ll use the tern, girls. 3 ••••••• you lust man. that I7 tO go In the /OSA and they lilt there until they CNN up. IS amine female women. It can Man anything? It he, IS 0. So did you generally already know that they 19 no age bracket to It? 19 were coning at the tire that they knocked on the door? 20 HR. NEIWIELSTEM: COrreCt. l'n not 20 A. Yes, uh-huh. 21 re torting apelltiCally to does right now. 21 O. So you had an oppaIntnent schedule? 22 THE WITNESS: KO. 22 A. Yeah. because rest of the Imes I wee dotal/ 2) BT MR. MESNELSIEINt 23 the calling. you know. I called J., ea in at 3:00 24 0. So es I understand it, the girl would cone t. 24 this afternoon. AM she will told se. no. I cannot. eat If the kitchen entrance, which is the service entrance. 25 sosebody else. And I knew it the tine they were coning. Mel) 022.7,00 0.10.0c COger PEPOrtile ACONCT, INC. (Sell et Mali 072.7(1." oeME CODA roloaninc ACMCS. MC. 15612 ill2-7546 sonendmerawatasnauwonnav t••••••• "'"IINCteAr.21=retrustruido...pdtwea'""'"" ••••••••••••"•""^"ddMilaftati C.eRetCwatte0OCIOV• OafMatlemetaPPROKele 3504-022 Page 6 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002620 EFTA00157573 Page '05 Page 104. 1 so : vas expecting the Melt of the tine. 1 A. I escort the girls up there either way. both o. So you would expect the.. [hey would cone in 2 3 and then you would eeeOrt them upstairs? 3 Q. And, to, whet you walked to the upstairs A. Oh-huh. bedroom. let's take the avenge of when Mr. Epstein is • 0. • netting • .afar/ 6 A. l'n sorry. sir. • A. Yee. • Q. Yes> 7 0. W. Epstein wouldn't be up there yet, is the. e Yee. e correct? Out first you would find Mr. Zp nnnnn and check 9 A. That's correct. 10 to see if he . • ready or find It,. Maximl I to chock to am 10 Q. Be would be downstairs Nseterc' If sheet ready] II A. oh-huh. 12 A. 12 Would there be a place -- 13 Q. And which nnn a n case would you -- would you 13 M. CRITTOW: Fore. 14 take then up? 14 WY M. INOWKELSTZIN: 15 A. Either way. 15 0. -- where he would normally be while. you too.. 16 Q. You would take the» either the Min staircase 14 he'. ttttt ng for the omega to be set up end ready? 17 or the servant staircase? IT A. Yea. A. Ye*. 14 Where Is that? Whore would ha be? 19 O. Why would you take the meth staircase, since If Either et Ms desk or the pool 'Sou.", 20 you're already in the kitchen? 20 Q. Md twee were on the first floor? 71 A. That • e what 1 says, either way. We can go 21 A. Yee. 27 through the mein staircase or we go to the kitchen 22 0. Md. so. when you arrived .t the top of the 23 stalscase. So we use both. 23 stelae with the Oirl for thu manage, whet would you do 24 Q. Okay. Well, 1.11 talking specifically to 24 then? 25 escort • girl upetaars. 75 A. Go beck to ny duties. 15611 812-7500 Melt COLMT RERYAT ASIDKY. DC. 45611 0,37-'104 0411 007-3100 Pees. COPT INPOIcT:RE Wart INC. 1141• (412.7504 i....mampSeato 11•••••••••••••••••••• •••••••••?~ V rila sene~~....~...•~40410.11~ ww.ww.. Il lerasesseorsan a.* mises 0..30.nintom•sest. anuesameumna moo tape 101 leer 108 You weld 'on leave? Would the roneage table have been 16 or 20. Met of then were. I would 2 already be eet u97 2 says. Over 20. Md seer mean, It was over 60. 3 A. No knew already that the girl. -- the girl 3 AM One tine she cane to the door. The husband was 4 went upstairs and It was up to hIn to come' up. 4 waiting Outside. And Ms. Maxwell saw this man. 5 Q. Old you have censer:m[1one with any of thatm • that novetedy recorrsona her. And knell says to 6 girl., • M. John. you have to find an excuse. We don't 7 A. Sometime. 7 want her. fs Q. Moat kind of thing. would you talk about? SO I had to pay this man end fleet en excuse 9 A. Regular things. Nothing that I ca n renmehr. 9 that they going to have to 00. Md she -- they 10 10 never had • woozier with her. 11 Q. Did any of then ever tell you their mpre7 11 Rut there was -- »oat of the we re wens. 12 12 They were not girls. 13 Q. Did any of then ever assure you that they were 13 BY M. MIANELSTElle 14 187 )4 O. so the some who was over 60 was cent away: IS M. CAUTION Fors. 15 she was rejected, correct] 16 BY M. WERKELSIZIN: 16 M. 001TON: 17 Or over? IT TIM WITIO6=4: It was -- 1 was told to send het If A. NO, etc. 18 19 0. le one ever lentil:n*4 anything .beet age? )9 BY M. MERKELSTE110 20 A. Wo, sir. 20 Q. Md it woe your understanding when you were 21 Q. Mow did the 91[14 appear to you? Did the,' 21 told t0 send her away. It was teCaaeo Of her age. 22 eerier to be very young? 22 correct? 23 M. CAM031: rota. 23 M. CEITTZ4N font. 24 TM: INTICEST: Ag•in, the sari guest ion you ash 74 TWZ WITIEGS: I don't knee. 1 don't know. I 25 ae. Cverytedy ark ne the ism then. They could ]5 was told to tend her away. '541" 107-"<O' 4/49,6 Mire INPOIN:ur. ACeirCy. INC. 15611 832.'584 Si-"in: ninSc Cerihr rrneln:i.r. Arran, INC. ~toe ~Pi Noe inane. Pintail tiesegunn.•••••sle •••••••••• . ra.«....nielsAnsosittai fl aw./ beam Ass.. red. Con • 4.1.C.X.raPn•tt•OCICOM) X.)10. 3504-022 Page 7 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002621 EFTA00157574 rage 109 Page 110 Of M. KERKELVIEIK: Sot every other wow.n on burgle wad cane over 2 Q. What was your understanding as to why they 2 to give • message was ouch, much younger, correct? were sending her Wray? 3 MA. CR1DPOM: fors. Asked and answered mire 4 Q. So this 60 year old woven u s • a gn can 5 UAW, nom. exception, confect? MR. MERMELSTEIN: lie Merit -- he hasn't M. CR/1160: Fero. Paguldritativg. 1 annwered ay daeltitin yet. 7 ST M. IIKR1481.-9/818: MR. CRIMP, He has. 0. YOu Can answer. MR. MERIOLSITIW: Co ahead. 9 A. I don't know how to answer that question. ?Oa 10 ?RE ollgt3S: Why? 10 ask me to -- 11 Sty M. WrAMEYSTEIK: 11 Let se ask you this. 12 0. Please ember the question. 12 a. CR:170W: Why don't you let his answer the 13 A. Can you repeat the question? 13 quest loo beton. you Interrupt Mn. 14 Q. What wee your understandlog as to why they 11 SY M. MgRWELSTLIW: IS tent her away? IS 0. All right. Go ahead. Please answer. It 16 MR. CIUTTOM, Form. didn't look like you were 17 hit wilt:: Wy understanding was either they A. I don't know how to answer that questlon, you 18 were busy on they didn't want her. IS asking ne what le your opinlon or that. 19 BY MR. KERKELAITIK: It And I told you, ny opinion of that. other 20 Q. What was your uvMutandin0 as to why they 20 they saw the girl -- I don't think Mr. [potion ever saw 21 didn't want her? SI the %Van. put its. leallieell bee the viOaari in Cr* 22 MR. CRITION: Form. Harassln0. 22 kitchen. And she told ret.. John. pay her and eend Mr 23 THE WITNESS: I don't know. I didn't -- I 2) 24 didn't mate to, each et It. 24 0. Okay. 25 la MR. taPlabgetilb 25 A. That wee It. 15611 512-7500 PSOOt Catlin isPOIKInG Ability, INC. t5all .11?-7548, 1161) 312-7500 PltoOK WAS NEPOI.W.K. AfbIttv. led. 15611 0)2.1506 eftwasaereedietameleneensinia twawitsgemmegembsenww wwwne ii"ina"....1...N.. .SeaCataanIeseneens eht P.Car .' " ww menewerenweibenuelteeldIMPAPteib. enuescussarcomanni Sago 111 Raga 112 So Mg. Maxwell looked at the women? the sale [lee. 2 A. Right. 2 SO that was One Of -- and there was Vieth.? 0. Did end have a COnvettlatiOn with her? ocean he 3 she was OUppelle0 to be a teacher at the 4 A. Mo. Oche.) of eaesege therepy that I Can't remenber her 5 0. She lust looked at her end then said to you to name. Rut that's it . 6 send her away. correct? 6 BY M. 11COMELSTEIL A. Yeah. Pay her and seed her away. So those two you reammber who were older? 8 Q. Do you recall teeing women who cue to pave 8 A. Two. And it was • couple gage that ware ol der massages who ere in their 50s7 9 that -- Bose guys that vete elder. too. Ouge. 10 Tes. 10 0. Did Kr • Elietein *Vet have winSaCle• dose be 11 There were eaten In the 50e? men? 12 A. Toe. IS Il 0. 80w Often did that happen? Ii 0 Awl 414 Ho ermieln ever lava va•••goe none by 14 A. Not too often, Wt it was -- It was wOmen that 14 these Older wane? 15 they were in the 50,. I says. again, could have been 15 A. Yee. 16 49. 45. I don't know. 1 don't know the ages, but it 16 0. When you escorted the fable In this case for 17 Older WOW', 1? the masted* to the upstairs bedroom -- correct? -- you 16 0. 80w many middle-age women do you retell C.Calln9 16 would the, leave? 19 over to glee itiSeageS? 19 A. Yes. 20 M. fAITTOIll Form. 20 0. You would then walk back dOwnetabs? 2) Tit Inewebb 1 don't renewbor how Sony. hut I SI A. 22 would says MI 22 0. Correct? 2) was. I would says, in the 400. And she 2) And would you then -- would you -- you had 24 Carle very. vety often. And I understand she was a 21 already told Ms. Epstein that she's there. correct? 25 manage specialist and a yoga instructor, too, et 25 A. ITAL . . correct. 115611 8)2-150: MOOSE COW/ ittrOSTIMG/WISKY. INC. 3611 11? -75.04 15411 1.3.1./:,' randt COPT IMPORTIo: WZNCY. INC. 15411 Ol2-/504 esawgredene..... news. @Yaws* yew let enflame 0•••••••••••••• * r.. ,.-mwwdgame.e, ,a fen a ea seeilsaeassaNeieseeemb 0.10WKOLletWaeCiter GilISICOI•MTfloiCaSee 3504-022 Page 8 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002622 EFTA00157575 Tom 11.3 Page 114 And at some point later then Mr. Epstein maid 1 Q. PIA Mr. Epstein walk down with the girl. or 2 cow upstate, correct? 2 did he stay unlace? 3 A. That's correct. 3 A. Sammiae, seaman no. Somptimee he teak a 4 O. Mad where would you go? 4 nap or he look a shower. I don't know what they did In 5 A. to en duties, to the kItchen or to by office. • the roon. I don't know. I don't know. 502411.e• he 6 O. And 1 think you testified oozing that the 6 went down right away. Sweet am he grey up there. • doors of the bedroom would be closed during this Q. So when they nee awn, they would go to the O .000090? • kitchen: Is that correct? 9 al nut* close theater. 9 A. Yeah, apt of It. 10 O. SO Mr. Epstein. stel, he would arrive palate, 10 sea you there waiting for rhea or did you II would clop, the door? Il ban -- 12 A. Tao, air. I2 A. Ny office ase right neat to the kitchen, so I 13 O. And about how long would the passage last 1 was there -- and the kitchen as the foul point of the 31 generally? 14 house basically. So they han to go to the kitchen IS A. Mealy an hour. IS either to get pay or to go to their are. le And what would happen et the end? It O. Dad you Convene with any of the girls when 17 They would come down. Host of the repeat 11 they Cat darn attar the manage? le girls, they would bring the towel. than/rep and dap 18 A. Very little. Very little. 19 it by the kitchen by the laundry room we ad than, In It O. Did ya aver observe a girl ea appeared 20 order to help us. Other girls. they just left it up 20 alai. Surprised. Slacked, anything Of that nature when 21 there ad they would con awn. 21 they car. down? 22 Kittle, Kr. Epstein will pay or 1 will pey 12 A. Kern. Haar. 23 2 kb zonalaa you would co y theft Correct? O. 24 Cud they 24 A. /ha'. correct. 25 or Its. Manna win pay thou. 2 Q. Mow an would you -- 45611 412-7500 nag Con. Ragan. AGIMCY, 04:t 812-1504 (561/ $12-7500 Can COCIM OMPOICha ACKHCY, IYL. 15611 reasoneareamennannaninaso •••••••••••••••••US VIMIN•~1 •••••••••~NriesaussoNasiba• 10A~••••••••••~11•1111{~00.01ne 1~4 Me (w„Ousw 10.•~1.•10.M.P. WOHMMICIMAIO« Peg. 115 Pp. 116 1 A. A halal volta. e 0.1.44,4. 1 2 O. A hundred dollars a massage? Were tare over 2 O. That never happened? eny exCeptiOns? 3 A. Never happened. 4 A. That's the -- t nover pay anY nere 4 O. You mentioned that Mr. Epstein put you in 5 hundred dollarsper ma ssage. 5 contact with Mr. Murrell, 18 that Correct? • O. Here there tires when two girls Case? MR. °UPTON: Fag. ▪ A. /we girls Case at the aeon the? 7 THE 14119690: Hot Hr. Crinkle.. O. Correct. • BY MR. METMELSICINt A. Yeah. There were Clam when two girl* Cale in • O. Huh? 115 at the Sae tine Surd me will go tO One Pal, the Other 10 A. It wasn't Mr. Epstein. 11 will go to the other noon. Dr ono -- I would set up two 11 O. Mr. tpatein'a lamplighter Put In. In Contact 12 tables In his coal or I will ask Inn, where you went to 12 with Mr. Murrell? 13 at to usages? He will told we, eat in the blue coon 13 A. that's correct. He gave se his at. 14 e14 set them in ny room. Or set thee in Ghislione's 14 And did you pay Nr. Murrell out of your own IS tom and to red roan, depends on who people were there. IS pocket? 16 but tan are tines where two of the gins at the era le A. Ma, 1 didn't pay nothing. 1? tine. yea. IT 0. Who is -- what wee your undasinnding as to 18 Q. sae there ever «canna where there w•• • 18 who wait paying for Kr. areal? 19 girl who waited downetain while on. -- while the other 19 A. 1 don't know. I don't Now who was paying for 20 girl went up aaaaaa 20 21 A. 21 0. You never asked Mr. Murrell who wag paying hie 22 Q. That never happened? 22 bill? 23 A. I Cannot rentegiar. 23 A. a t. he never send no a bill. 24 O. Ma there over an occasion where you paid a 24 0. Did you think that Mr. Parer wee doing it 25 girl woo waited and didn't actually give It Reeser? 25 tor free? 'Mtn el2-7500 reaC Oak: AkinTIOK ACEPCY. IOC. 4561) $12-7504 ...It 012-7500 fiCC.F. COOS' IIKPOR7:KG AGrMer. 15611 8)2.15:4 etatanniossaanwatairteriat -.~ ^•••••••••n•••• •••== run. .1"*"."1"^"'"'""'"""lettr4reECL.r.......,rm acarmarral ans~asent ans•COuniniscant 047AOKOK~Ohi 3504-022 Page 9 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002623 EFTA00157576 sags so Page 1111 1 A. I don't know. 1 conversation that you had with Mr. Murrell. you and 2 Q. You don't know. As far as you :Wm, 2 your wife, is [Cap 00000 y prOt•Cted. as 1009 as you 3 NC. Murrell Could have been providing you legal IntviCof • want to 00000 t that priestess:. 4 for free? 4 You can either assert It or not assert it. 5 A. No. I don't [hint it was provided is rot frQQ. 5 Thera your right. nut nobody's apparently going 6 I don't think he ever -- that question ever cone out of 6 to tell you that, at least Mr. Nentolatein Id net Mr. Sorrel/. : was In Mr. Murrell's office for about • ring to tell you that. ten minutes. KR. MEAMIUSTSIN: Moll. I was trying to 11 And he says. well, I reset you teMarrOw 9 avoid -- 10 thane -- and that's it -- in older to protect you so 10 MA. CMITION, Nell, you're nthq questions of 11 they don't inCrimlnate you in any way. We left It at 11 what he said. 12 that. Me never send ine • bill. Me never send ne -- 1 12 MR. SLANCESTEIM: I'm not asking then what 11 never talk to Mr. Murrell again. never saw his again. 13 they said. It Q. And you never had any kind of unaerstanclin, II MA. CRITIOW: Sane thing. IS with him as to how -- 15 MR. NERMIESTEIN: I'm asking him how he get 16 A. IS paid. 17 Q. -- how his bill wee going to be Fold: I? MR. CRIMPS Ito, you were -- real back your IS A. m. le question, where you were. 19 Q. Did you sign any kind of what we call. a 19 Anyhow, that's a right you ?ave. so... 20 retainer ogreement. anything whore you hired him? 20 So much for the law. ti Pi NN. PISAMELOrtnis I wee net asking min what 22 MR. CAISSON: Just eo you know. you have en 22 wee said daring any Conversation. I asked him if 23 ettotney -- nobody's going to tell you this 23 he signed • retainer. That's a fair question. 24 apparently. 24 BY SR. MEASLES'S'S: 25 You hove en attorney/cl lent privilege. Any 2S O. DO you renarear a girl wit* Casa to give 11411 52?-15:.? FACIE 00401 HIPORTIlia AURCY. INC. (5611 1)2.7505 19611 02-7500 :Wax COIn? szyCoVite. AollaCY. INC. 15411 $12-/504 meimmesewesemesimmeesimisemisimil emeweimmenerw&maremmenwiumemses "—"`"" Tdsu toestouswens Al' AIA..."' 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And I would 15 THE WITNESS: if I was told that a girl is 16 told them. no, you don't need the table. may will IA Cesiing, ny job was to Open the door, let het In and 17 leave it In the kitellso las:, Me we have tables in ovary 17 let Sr. Epstein *eclat where he wants his massage. IS room in the. house. II And that was the end of it. 19 Q. Some of the q oo 1oo the first tine they use If BY SR. MERCIESSIE'N: 20 they didn't have anything. right? 20 Q. Are you aware that sexual conduct between an 21 A. May wee. eith that table. urn uf ttp tabsies at adult mei. end en unesereee isle It ccininatu it.. 22 they hang it in the shouldera, portable tables. Put we 22 against the law? 23 didn't have portable tables in the room. They were all 23 KR. CRITTOM: Fora. 24 cu•sosenasis. tables. 24 THE WITNESS: Of course I do. 23 O. Did ease girls cues without -- for the first 25 BY MR. 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Let in lust glee you sone other naves 8 that I don't have -- but none of those napes sound am if you recognise any of these nante 9 fanillar to es. 10 JO Q. You tousled that there were -- *bout the sax IL A. (nods heed.? 11 toys that you would pick up after -. alto. these were I? Q. Mane does not ring a bell? 12 ?stews**. correct? 13 A. (NOds heed.) 13 NA. CRITICS: Form. 14 KR. CAUTION: You lave to answer out loud. 14 BY NA. MERKELVIEIM: 1 BY MR. MCPect 92601: 15 Q. The vibrator*, correct? O. l'Ou need to say yes Or no. 16 MR. CRITTON, Fen'. A. KO. 17 BY KR. 140MELSIEIN: l$ O. 10 0. You can *newer. 19 A. Can you repeat that? 19 A. Yes. 20 O. • would be the first nee. 111.0,11 ' 7 T.. 20 O. And you mentioned there use a basket with second nano? 21 these vibrators or toys in them, correct? 22 22 A. Yee. 23 0. =7 23 Q. Where was the basket kept? 24 Ho. 24 A. In Ms. 14axwoll's closet. 25 -? 25 Q. And that was In the master tedroon? (5611 111-000 PR)5E CIXOT 2001406 ACM?. INC. 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And It was • portable basket, eh* could now. 10 partleuler instant uhOre -- 11 It around, correct? II A. 1 Cannot. 12 A. Uh-huh. 12 Q. -- Ms. Maxwell wasn't there, only Mr. Epstein 13 0. You have to cay yes or no. 13 had gotten a 1110Sage and then you found the Sex toys? 14 A. Yes, air. 14 A. 1 Cannot Isolate that. IS O. And -- and that's where the, I think you wed IS Q. But It's possible that either Mr. Epstein used 16 the ward 01100( correct? lhal'el where they were Id It or Ms. Maxwell used it; is that correct? 11 located? 17 MA. CRITTOS: Font. Form. lE A. Yes, elr. 18 1HE VIINESS: I have no ides to know. If O. Mae there OCCOttiOnd where you would -- the 19 KR. MENal-ltrin: All right. have nothing 20 snide, ono or sore dildos would be out and you would 20 further. 22 clean than up aaa.age that only Kr. Epstein had. 21 MR. arMOSR: How about if we take • break? 22 not Ms. Maxwell? 22 mould you like • break for • couple minutes? 23 A. It was -- I will says that it was about three 23 Thor MANES!: No, that's fine. 24 Or fOur OCC.01Ons that I had to take this dildOs and put 24 MR. 'MOM: Kr. Willits. would it be possible 25 It back where they supposed to be. And 1 took It with 25 If I could Olt there, because I've get a couple (5611 412-)500 0.0160:01iT AtiUseniCMOICY. 060 (07• 077 (541; stc.507, ISM COORS liceovilmo AGENCY. INC. 0411 eamwmasmussuswevhawrownammemwo eszadwasemes0-5..----ionanersima timeweiseinenswestsweewnertszena ftunsassemsein rtudaseulsewem(beveasamdemtenewe t......" 1"."."-"' ." .7(ltAstotreran' aetwe'sys• Gisneltwesemnats cw. seeer""'" wag.. S•xmsweeddittneme 3504-022 Page I I of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002625 EFTA00157578 Page 12> Page 126 Exhibits a.s maim, to show litn7 A. Why? MA. WILLITS: Stirs. 2 Yeah. WA. DEACCA: Thanks. 3 DOCAUBO 1 Wag alCk. 1 was extremely muck. ■ CPOSS EXAMINATION 4 SY it. SKRGER: And I WS. 6 O. Okay. Good afternoon, sir. 6 sick of the job and im had enough. We had good pay, but 7 A. Afternoon, sir. we had enough of the 143. especially because of 0. Wy name is Wil I tan J. Berger and I represent 8 Pa. Maxwell's ttttt ode toward. us. three of the Plaintiffs in this case. O. Now. you said you had good pay, but we had 10 Did you aver It... of the mamill, a yore{ 10 enough. What was your pay in 20027 11 woman named Il? Ii A. 2002, right before I left7 I think it WA* 50, 12 A. No, air. IS either SS, something like that. Mid my wife was 30 or 13 Now about a young wan naiad 11 15. I could be wrong. 14 Q. So you think that you woes paid 455,000 in 15 Okay. You know, you"... referred Several [Isms IS 2002? 16 tO a falling Out Or a disagreement that you had with 16 17 Mr. Epstein? 17 O. Is that correct? IS A. Yes. IS A. fbat'S correct. 19 0. Was that in -- was that the year that you left li O. Md you believe your wife .00 held hew muCh? 20 his employment? 20 Thirty. 130.000. 21 A. Right after -- eight after I left. 21 430,000 in 2002? 22 0. So you had a falling out with Pan atter you 22 A. tb-huh. 21 left hi a employment? 23 O. Is that correct? 24 24 25 Q. Nell. why did you leave his enploYourrt? 25 Q. Nue about 2001, What WaS your salary end your (5411 02-1500 PPOZCCCOin 11411 $13-1506 061) 051. 1550 7077x CUM 464.0Pilin AUNCY. INC. 11411 832-170a amuseanswesouembrenwreistaneribre Ouesearesnuemniumwomanarsam "..".".".".....".181truritlknowastrras Reins termmul a"." ' " ' " '"78%=.ttat........••*4 des asiodni isannsismanaos Page 121 114,11 128 1 wife's? Everything was blaned on se. ft a 2 A. Oars thing. 2 chef cook a bad meal. It we fly fault. And II the table Okay. And In 2000? was not proper set royalty style. It Was fry fault. And 4 A. 1 was at the sane. It never -- we never got the hours were terrible, never have a holiday, Saturdays S raise,. We never get -- and Sundays. Me were working between 60 and 70 hours • 6 O. I think you said at the waxy beginning -- week. And ny health was. I think. the most Important I A. Yes. thing. Md also the relation with my wife, It was a big 0. -- Of the deposition that you hero paid 45.000 factor in us leaving the 040PsaY• 9 when you were first hired full time? Now, you &aid that you were blamed for things? 10 A. Yeah. 10 A. Yea. SI!. 11 O. In 2002. you were earning 55,000? 11 Q. Who would him.* you? Who is it that would hey 22 A. Uh-huh. 12 that 'wirer* blamed? 13 0. So you did get note [else? 13 A. I don't know who did the bleating, but 1 will 14 A. Yeah. In the matter of 11 years. Yeah. but 14 get hey ma dwwM wt by Ms. Maxwell IS we didn't get a raise every six menthe of every year in IS She was the one? 16 any specific date. And the were set by the 16 A. Moat of the times. yes. 17 company. Automatically they would cone from New York. 17 0. Who else did that? IS It was not a negotiate point between me and Kr. Epstein. IS A. SOmetimes I had dlu0reenenu with him. IS 0. Md then you said earlier with me, you mad we 19 O. 'Him,' being, who? 20 had enough, you and your wife. You said, we had enough: 20 A. Mr. Epstein. 21 Is that correct? 23 0. About what? 22 A. That's correct. 22 A. Simple thing,. Por ne, it's stupid things. 23 0. What do you mean by that? 21 nothing -- if this paper -- If this pencil was not put 24 A. It warm extremely stressful lob. It was a 1._t 21 in right there, they will complain. 25 of pressure on us -- on mi. on me -- I hove t0 25 0. Okay. And is It correct that you left the 0011 412-7100 PAO6t COURT PETOITIN4 AGENCY. INC. 45611 532.1536 041, $32 /777 W4074 C04$7 $6,04nriOAOCMCV. .NC. 1761: 012-1506 •••••••••dan.nes....sl Ostannsand. OwaiseiVamwOftSmOsTawmapOn4WW4M, " ... . 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BERGER: IS that Pow you're doing it, lust ii 0. let you -- but that was by On aaaaaaant State Il COnsedotIvely? 12 Attorney, Correct? 12 KR. CRITTON: Yeah, let's do its otherwise, I) Yes. 13 It's going to be an awful nese have five Waitron 14 O. The CpultIOnIng? 14 Exhibit lumbar Is by everybody. 15 A. (Side 'AKIO I> (Exhibit nunber 2 WA netted for 16 O. Is that correct? In identification purpose..? 17 A. That's correct. 17 BY KR. BERGER: IS O. You spoke separately with police officers IS O. You see Exhibit 2' It's • transcript; is that 19 though. correct? IR correct? 20 ma. CillITON, Morn. 20 A. That's correct. 21 02 HR. SENDER: 21 Q. Is that the transcript of the *worn statemen 22 Q. In other words, the date of that Kalamai le 22 that you gave to the Assistant State Attorney in 2005? 23 in October of 2003, is that correct? 23 A. Ms, sir. 24 A. Yes. 24 O. And during the lunch break, did you ?Ave en 25 Q. Sod by that statement,. 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That's Correct. 10 entering his house, that Incident? 10 O. betOre you got that Card, did you ?Ave any 11 A. It was In October 2003? idea that the police were Involved in your lite? 12 Q. When do you remember that it was' 12 I) A. : can't remember. 13 It. MITCH: Fern. It O. Okay. All right. You spoke with police if DT It. MERGER: u office.. In connection with that though, correct? IS 0. And you celled Mr. Epstein after you got that 16 I went to the Pain Peach Police Department. 16 card, correct? I? Why did you go to the -- Yes. It I speak to one officer. IS 0. Wow, how did you get Was it nailed to 19 Q. and why did you go there? If you? 20 A. Ilecauae Kr. -- when I spoke to Mr. Epstein end 20 A. Mo. It wo putted In ay door. I was not 23 we settle the dispute. rte. says, yew 'wet need 21 home. MA they vent to ay house and troy left it in the to go to the Milne department end hake O StOttnent. door. 23 gel. WILLITS: Could I nave Exhibit molter 2. 23 0. 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Nr. Epateirie employment did this occur? 9 0. Md what woe that Incident/ 9 A. I don't hare -- I would says, three to COW 10 A. You knew that Incident. 10 months. 11 O. I'd like to hear you thiecrlis• It for no. I would lust Ask a favor of you. ?he court 12 A. That incident is. I vent to the house and I 12 reporter needs to see your face so she can understend 13 got ICC* 00,14y. 13 what you're saying. She's looking -- you put year hand 14 O. What nee of day did yea go to the house? 14 in front of your south. that's all. 15 A. Night. 15 Now, when you worked for Mr. Ipatoln, did you 16 0. Was anybody hone? 16 learn that he kept nohey In that briefcase? 17 A. 17 A. Yes. IS Where did you get the money? 25 0. Md, sO, when you went to his house On that IS Out of his brig. 19 occasion, did you het arouse that there mould he money 20 Out of his? 20 in the Drtafcase? 21 21 22 O. Bag. Briefcase? beg? 22 O. And -- and did you take noney oat of that 23 A. Briefcase. 23 briefcase? 24 O. 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I don't retell. Bat It they say It. %hat I'm showing you. have you ever peen this 9 have to agree with It. 10 before? 10 Q. Kell. you left In OeCeeber of 2002. And 11 before 1 shoved you this daciarent, you said that those Il KR. BERGER: Let's have this narked ea Kahlbit 12 Incidents occurred about three or four months later. So 1) 3. 13 apparently they occurred more than three or four Meth* 14 MM. COITION: Gen I keep this? 14 later: 10 that Correct? IS 'Exhibit member 3 was masted for If A. Apparently. Yap. 16 Identification porno...) 16 0. Keil. now otter -- after looking at this. sir, Il BY ME. BMA: 17 do you actually recall that It occurred move than three 14 Q. It appears to be about 20 pages and It 10s. 10 or four months later? 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Epstein further edslawd • Yes. sir. black Clock handgun was taken Iron the boot shelf New, loot up at the top of that paragraph. located behind the desk. unqUote. You see where it says: 'After' -- It's about the fourth 00 yw see that? sentence --'Epstein advised that on Saturday evening, A. Yen. October 4. 200), he left his briefcase at his desk and Q. Did you take a black Glatt handgun iron him? vent t0 bed at approximately 12:30 a.a. Epstein said Absolutely not. • when he left hie briefcase, It contained approximately 9 Q. De you know if anybody did? 9 35.000 O.S. currency.' 10 No, sir. 10 11 is this the first tine that yew aver heard 11 Pa you see that? 12 that Kr. Epstein nay here told the police .- 12 A. Yes. 19 A. No. ibis question I was asked by the police. I) Q. And then it goes further on, it says -- after )4 O. Okay. Nem. you ace the neat sentence? ft 14 a sentence or two. It says. 'Epstein stated at 35 says: 'Epstein advised he evapeCfed cash had been tab, 15 appromimately ?:IS hours on Sunday. October 5, 2003, 16 frOmitIe. briefcase on OW other OCC0020mts Mlle he 05' 16 while sitting at his desk. he noticed the briefcase her 27 in teem for the weekend. The first was over the Labor I? been Opened and SO.a of the Cash was nigelng. Epoteln 14 Day weekend, August 30 t0 September 1. The second tine 18 believed approxinately $2,500 was taken free the IS wee a weekend in mid-September 200).' 19 briefcase.' 20 Oa you see -- 20 Do you see that? Zi 21 A. Yes. 22 0. -- the mention or those two Incidents? 22 0. NOW. wises you reed this whole Paragraph bare. 2) A. 23 do you agree that Kr. rpaaaaa is and •••taling that 24 0. Yee? 24 the police took this down accurately -- that N . Epstein 25 A. 25 Is describing three separate Instances -- (56.0 002-2500 bunt Cooks aLIVerlyie. nowici. Inc. 061) 112-1506 .5611 132-1500 rhoSE Min ii[r0,700 AGENCY. INC. 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BERGER: Hark this es the next Enhiblt. 12 On the anion.] page, do you see your signature 12 (Exhibit weber 3 wee marked for 13 and your wife's? i) identification purp0008.) 14 A. Yes. 14 M. NIL-.2T9: Spell the are of that la,' IS Q. And 00 you recognize this as an application 15 M. PIERStR: It's 16 for registration of a fictitious name? 16 17 A. Yeti. 11 M. NELLIIS: Thank you. 14 O. Md is that --did you and your wife apply for 1$ BY M. DERCER: 19 registration of a fictitious nine, 19 Q. Rs newt Exhibit, sir, has pipers grow 20 A. Right. This w00 done by Our lawyer. 20 Departsent of State. Division of Corporations. Co ye, 21 retternan. 21 see It makes reference to ' lip at 22 O. MO was that done in Loot In 22 the top. 23 the upper right. 23 It says: •Olt.111 by OffSCOr/regiSt•red agent 24 24 mow.' Md then erne( that It says. • 25 O. Is that correct? 23 11411 622-7500 IWOUE COMM eiri(lniw) wait. MC. 1561) 4)2-1506 ($41, 1)2-7,00 thett pots? reenerne AWENC7. 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Md then on the very last page. Is that your 13 A. Nothing. 14 eIgnstere? le O. Okay. Old you go to his her* between January 15 A. Yee, sir. 15 and Aueve[ of 2003? 1G O. Okay. le that your application to organise 16 A. No. Except Hite, the two incidents that it 17 17 ha0Perle0. le 18 Q. But those -- and these happened later, after 19 A. Tes. i lest sign It. This vas dome by the 19 August of 2003. Correct? These happened nP 20 20 A. Yeah. t navet went to the home for any reason 21 O. Did Jaffrey Ep have anything to do with 21 to talk to hie or to anybody. 22 tee creation of this comiatiy? 22 O. Okay. So in Se0teroer and October when you 23 A. Absolutely nothing. 23 went to Nt. Epstein's house -- 24 O. Did Jeffrey Epstein pay for Mr. ttermages 24 A. Yeah. 25 services Of 40 this? 25 0. -- uninvited. -- 1561' et2-1500 MOE COURT 121CNTIMO ACFNCM NC. (5611 522-7106 '5611 9)2-)550 rases COW/ arreatieM AGENCY. INC. 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Mr. Epottein never spoke to on IS IS again. St was done through the lawyers in Mew Toil. 1. 16 they mends the paper vi. red Km. they send us a 17 11 check. That was the end of it. That happened in IR it January. January 1003. 19 19 Co you have a copy of those doCuments? 20 20 A. Hot In here. 21 21 0. Do you have then at Mee? 22 O. And then you said during the Questioning Of 22 A. Yes, t do. One or two of the attorneys that you entered into it 21 0. And let ne lust make cure I know whet the 24 separation agreement with Mt. Epstein that included a 24 documents are. 25 contident lllll y agreement and a release. Do you 29 Threte. n a Separate on agreement: 15411 S32-/100 MIME COAT SEPORTIKG AGENCY, BC tfati 032 -71St (541: 532-3/20 VPD:E. COI*: am/CAI:in: ACCACY. 14C. Chi) 132.7506 emreelme”Iiimeelitalmeomimearleeellelli lemeweelmetetretletneetnalletetheeee• Ihernaele rePeeMeeentedtgairdMIMedtesietetaillt0•••011 IftemeeelleVele ........Pr erdr eee Truet nee,. Its. fa • sitor.... OIlinreall•OPeataa• onueffic•wroaromanco Page ISS Page 156 1 A. Just a separation agreement. 1 It rial recosal 2 0. And that includes a confidentiality prevision/ 2 VIDECCAAPAIR: We're back on the record at A. It was a -- there's a provision inside. 2:21. 4 0. And It also inCludes in it a ******* Or IS the 4 BY KR. BEAGLE: 5 relabel. separate? Q. Mow say Lives Klee you talked with 6 A. 1 don't knew. Lawyer terse. l'n not tannin 6 Investigators of Mr. Rpstein/ • with that. 1 On. tine. • 0. Did you nave a lawyer represent Neu in And that's the one tins that you've month/fled 9 COnnection with that? 9 already? 10 A. No. 1 never need It. 10 A. Yes. 11 0. And you said Mr. Epstein pall you 150,000 to 11 O. Aral have you net -- talked to Mc. Critton 12 you and 520.000 to your wife? 13 helots today? 1) A. Thet'S correct. 13 A. Oh, wait • Minute. Sorry. I haw to Ori beck 14 O. And haw was that paid to you? 14 on that. Twice. One tine when the Criminal Case 15 A. Cash -- I Mean. check. It was • check but it If started when they, like, find the card and Jeffrey say., 16 wOo take, -- tames were taken out. So at woe nines 14 1 cannot talk to you. sonebody will call you. I talked Id tare.. I/ the eeeeeee gator that I told you. It Was It one check for each of you? 18 And the second time was. I guess,. It Yea. If don't know who was it, but they send -- they and in 20 MA. CRITTOM: Can we take a five-n1nute break? 20 the -- !don't. know If lawn fan invest %gator or they 21 5*. RACER: Side. 21 Just Pie* a your notice that L was Pelee to be 22 MA. cairnaoh Do you want to finish one line 22 subpoena. 23 of ciumationIno? 23 ER. TRITION: I think that case from 24 ie . BERGER. Os, go ahead. Co ahead. 34 Mr. Vliiite' Office. 25 VIDTOGRAPRTA . Off the record At 2:15. 25 NA WILLITS: Jack Rill's office. 15411 8)2-15x1 F0031 COlar REBATING ACINCT, .5411 $32-7506 1561: .cd ,,:._C MOT REPORTING .VEST. INC. laLl ) ii in.in;i arememofsaesimem-hneemeenammiase immeesermeehme.."-•+....infirelas ememmaismemesce.r.....icedineente DOMmendideNeeemee ., ....hmicaneeieeli .41.80.1.0...0. rd4Careetvertnettentite gees. , Oet emeedleemmedelehweftetemel eteele:01. tttetlett DOW Cee wOhMK4WAMVOTetteldt 3504-022 Page 19 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002633 EFTA00157586 Page 151 Page 156 MA. CRIBION: That wasn't an investigator. It 1 2 we, a subpoena served) 2 A. 3 BIM WITNESS: Yeah. • O. AM you lode it's -- BY M. BERVIZR: 4 (Brief interruption.) 5 Q. Proems seven. Process server. 5 BY MA. litRCOR: 6 New, this Is Mr. Robert Celtton. Nave you 6 O. MO you know It's • serious Case for the 7 talked to has before today? • people that ere bringing It? A. Yes, sir. TWA COAT: Pore. 9 0. Mow many tines have you tailed to Mr. Ctlttord 9 h6 INTS[3:: Absolutely. 10 A. WICO In my house. MI w• talk about ten 10 BY DIR. URGER: ll minutes yesterday? Monday? Monday? 11 O. So you had this Conversation with Mr. Crltton 12 0. Yesterday? 12 yesterday? 1) A. Yesterday. 1) A. Mot about the seriousness, no. 14 O. Okay. And whet did you discuss? 14 Q. NO. No. But the conversation that you had 15 A. Discuss the Mae questions that you telling 11 with Mr. Crittit MS yesterday, Correct? 16 me. Md he told ne basically. say the truth. Tell the 16 A. Yes. Told his he -- he told we basically he I? troth, nothing but the truth. Md be fin, and be -- 17 was going to be here, that a bunch ci lawyers were going IS spook your RIM and don't be le to ask no 000sti006 end that 1 should be truthful and 19 thought that this incident about way life If nothing else. basically. 20 never would have come out. 1 wish It would have never 20 0. Nell, what etas did he say? 21 come at. nut 1 quesa it cone out and id'. too lore. 21 A. What else did Mr. Britten says? Nothing. Ii. 22 0. Wall, you tom what this case Is about. don't 22 eked n• about Sly health. 2) you? 2) Me 'mkt, — how 1 felt. 24 A. Of course. I think It's a Case egalisM 24 And 1 says, well. 1 vast tO get this dome. 1 25 Mr. Epatoln. But it's net a case against me. is it? 25 went to get it over, done, and go on with sy Ille for 1561, 912-7500 MOSE COURT REPIRTION MERCY. MC. (5611 $12-1506 1161s 0)2-7100 MOM COURT REICOTING AGDO7. INC. IttlI 112'1104 ommisamommaremmisianmaess mwomeemmeremwrmwmmssanammie Meemeeswawmemeshnts:. 0.... rlatISIIIOMMII rt• ammo 0.01.100W.M.C.I.eaSO edummossecnmeme Page 159 Page 160 the rest of my life. I want to finish with this. 1 And -- not ye sterday, but whet he was In my home with 2 don't went nothing to de with Jet fray Bp/dein or this 2 his secretary. Case, once and for all. O. NO% yesterday? 4 0. Old you talk to him about the confidentiality A. Not yesterday. 5 MretiOnt that you Mat toned? 0. when ass he was et your house with the 6 A. 6 secretary? 7 O. Or the separation agreements A. About two Maths age, a month and a half ago. A. Mo. • 0. TM can't look to hi. to &Muer. You've Mt 9 O. Or the arrest? 9 t0 10 A. NO. 10 A. 1 cannot remember MeCtly the date. but 11 O. Or the :30,000 that you. were paid? 11 would say it was about a month age. 12 12 O. Maybe f aisunderstood. Mas Mr. CrItton at 1) O. Did he tell you that this case that kms.. here IJ your house yesterday? 14 about - 14 No. No ca lled se yesterday. 15 A. 330,000 where/ that 3)0,0007 is No celled you yest erday? 16 0. TOY said you ware paid 330,000 and yowl ware Id A. Yea, Mr. 17 was Intel :20,00O. 17 Q. And you tal tad for about tan minutes yesterday IS Yea. Yoe. The separation ogreenent. NO. IS on the phone? 19 19 A. No more. 20 0. You didn't talk about that? 20 0. 01d you tell me everything that you and 21 21 Mr. CrIttOn talked about yesterday? 22 O. Old he tell you there wets stung women suing 22 A. Yes. 2) Mr. Epstein? Old he tell you that yesterday? 2) O. Now. he wished your house -- 24 A. Ne. He mentioned to ma :het it was • lot of 24 A. Yea. 21 lawsuit. against Mr. Epstein, crIninal drA civil sults. 25 O. -- • month and a half or two months ago orii 912- ":" nest C007 arrOaTIM hamaCk. NW. OM) 112-'506 061( $12.7100 PRO= COURT INPORTIM ACKACY, tc:, es:-nor. osommrwm.meedommemnessee maemamireesseammatemrimmi car •••••••••••••ase. "*"."..".".....-4.'— /IIIreCriel ledemotre acme:0mm! 4rvaranattnicicAila 3504-022 Page 20 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002634 EFTA00157587 Page :61 rage 162 Absolutely. Me was going to Care In end elk questions -- with hit secretary? 2 about fht0 C000. Yes. O. So that did he say? 4 Mid did she take notes? A. Sue questions that you guys are asking tn. 5 Yea. she did. 5 exactly the sane gist Ions. 6 Pardon me/ 6 0. Nothing mere? she did. A. 8401Cally what you saw, what pfu did, what 0. Shp took notes. Just by pen and paper? 8 your 300 description was, wiNst you did. his you start Pen and paper. 9 your day, has we your day And how was -- Mat nee you 10 Not • ...hind like the court reporter? 10 Started. what tare you finish and what you did, and what 11 11 was your rtsponsibilities. And that wee It. 12 Q. Were you taped? Did sormbody tap. record you: 12 0. Okay. And were you paid anything for that/ 13 1) A. Absolutely not. The only minty that I got, it 14 D. Did he show you the notes that nut took down? 14 was free you for this S47 check for coming in Mn. IS IS O. Okay. 36 typed up and show yew the transcript? 16 A. And 1 will take no money Iron nobody. 37 I7 0. Okay. Vera there -- ware there any other II 0. NO? Now, how long was Mr. CrittOn at your It tines that you talked to either Mr. CrItton or anst0dy 19 house then? 19 from his office? 20 A. Tar about half an hour. 20 21 0. And Old you thew that he wee coming? Did he 21 0. you described every tine that you've ever 22 call ahead of tint/ 22 talked to either Mr. CrIttOn or people from his *Ma? 75 yeah. 2) A. No, sir. 24 had. to, what did you *apart was going to 24 O. You've described all those times that you've 25 hannen: 25 talked to Mr. CrItton or people fron hi s office? I'm 04:i i570 Mint COVIT areCO11110 ASCM:Y. :NC. 0611 112-1506 ISLII 512-7500 55001 Coon txtterIir. ACD.CY, 0•11 0,2-5500 er ieaInlwanansta tw" . '"""""'`"'""Intiirtr.r....• gr. konstnisna aniniennemenmr Page 141 Peg* 164 1 not asking the question clearly. all the me ssage therapists. It vas too pales or 2 Ind you talk to Mr. Craton any other list/ 2 three pages el people in a plastic sheet that we 3 No. 1 talked to Mr. Critter. twice, once In ny had It where - Dy the telephotos. 'that was It. house, ono. yesterday. 4 eV NR. DERMA: O. Now, hew about Mr. Jock Goldberger, 5 O. Mate the name!? 6 Mr. Epstein's crtolnal defence attorney. did you over 6 A. glans and phones. 7 talk to hist Q. Telephone neonatal. 8 A. 8 9 0. Did you ever talk to Alan Dershovits about any 9 Whet About addresses? 10 Of these ha tters? 10 No, no addressee. Me, sir. 11 What about dates? 12 O. Or Roy Slack? 12 A. Wo. sir. 13 A. Me, sir. I) 0. And who prepared the hot? 14 0. Now. l'n lei* going back Over Dome different 14 A. Either Mo. Maxwell -- It. Maxwell. IS things that you sent lead. 15 O. Was it typed? 16 You laid that there we a POIndex that you 16 A. Yeah. They welt typos. 11 created of mints or women? 17 O. Mo. Typo. le A. Not It was a nave lust woman. It was 18 A. yeah. 19 companies, air condition COMpenlee. It W44 cleaning 19 O. Who typed It? 20 corpanlee. It was suppliers. And It was It was • 20 A. I don't know who type It. but It cane from Nea 21 aoltdex that i telt It there. 21 York. 22 Old you have • list of girls on your /*laden? 22 0. the list? 21 MR. COITION: Pone. 23 A. Yeah. IS THE WITNESS: No. Me had a Inn of girls In 24 0. Did you -- did you give the information that 25 • -- In a -- In a sheet with plastic thst we hove 25 went into the list? 15611 811011.: 1008E coot DEPORTIMC ASMaCt. !MC. 15611 8)2-1506 (1011 102-7500 PhOMI COW* Kin:melt* ACEMIY. 0.. Oni 032-1)04 il•••••••••• ••••. , •••••••SAISSII .......•••••••••••••••••••.••••••PONIS ilbeireareWegiyi,....,••••••••• 104 .1.•••••••••••••••.••••••••••SISIIPP•••••• .0.44•46.4 ion e.Oast tapnr..v... • 0a< 00•064**intmOsen 3504-022 Page 21 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002635 EFTA00157588 Page 165 POO, 166 1 whet you saw at the house? 2 O. where wee the Ilet kept? 2 A. Ito. sir. In any Plate,. It at. In Mr*. Maxwell's O. Dld you ever talk to your ate about whet you 4 desk. It was one in the kitchen, one in my *lace, one ass at the house? In my coon because aneana IWat in sty rare and I have A. la ke what? Sew about what? to cell these people. It was one in the new hews when 6 0. About the ditellos. About the message.. Did 7 they build the new house. It w0 all over. NM It win you ever talk to your wife about that? 0 also those -- those tiles for the house -- the house 4 A. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons that : 9 running operation. never send my K1(0 after -- this hap -- those dtldos end 10 0. Vas It the ease Bet that was In ell thaw. 10 things like that happened right at the end of wry stay placea7 11 thene. It never happened before. Right at the lea 12 A. Basically, yes. 12 couple banns before I left. And that -- .3 CO. Vas the list updated? 13 O. and that's when young gtrL - 14 Yes. It IS. CRIlION: Let hit finish his answer. 15 Did you keep a copy of the list? IS Tat INIMESS: Amity ray' worry about wee 16 A. Mo. I don't have a copy of the list. 16 that sty wife will panic. And 1 newer send her up 17 0. when you left Mr. EpsteirOs employment. you there to clean up the rooms or anything else. 10 didn't take a copy with you? 19 BY MR. BERGER: 19 A. Not at all. le 0. Is that when young One Stetted Ceiling to the 20 O. And when you worked for Mr. Epstein, you 20 bean? 21 didn't write notes about what you did and what yOu eau? 2/ MR. CRITICS: FOOD. 22 22 TIM ININCSS: One girl that I can think of. 2) O. 007 22 BY MA. BERGER: 24 A. Ito. I had too such to do. 24 O. Just oho? 25 You cildn•t put anything in a oorchter about 21 A. One gsrl. That Niel that she show a the 041) 412-7500 rain COSPI Rrfleerrfln ACCMCY. :NC. 061. Int-,544 4141) Cl:- tl:C 'soot coo raCetia NOMMC7. int: a)1-'506 mwerwiarremastaNewnwarntaase oessome w won aware cane an'e ouresoruflawo sissaiurosabammea Page 16? Page lte picture CC you see tl.at? 2 2 IS. CRITTON: Form. It's taken out of - I That's the only one that t can think she was contest. There's no question. 4 young, but I don't know how old. 4 BY M. BERGER: Q. Do you still have the transcript Iron -- icon 5 0. DO you sag thine words? 6 the police in front of you, iron the Mate Attorney's 6 A. 01d they sees -- did they seem young to 1 01f1e0 No. sir. fleetly were no. Me saw two young ones in the It'. below that. it's at the bottom. Kamp 0 lest year. 9 9 O. well. It eetually says, *we saw one or two 10 You see? Torn to page 9. 10 young Omni In the lest year.' II Page 9. Nom, look at we. It says. page 10. 11 A. we am one or two young ones in the last 12 but It also says page 9. 12 year. Retor• that they wore all a0ults.° I9 3o you got page 9? 13 0. The One Or two young Ones In the lest year 14 Page 9 and page 10. 14 test you're referring to. who are they? 15 O. Okay. IS A. One waoll end the another one was: 16 A. e.. *key. Pam 9. Okay. 16 0. Don•t on that. Stay? Conn write on 17 0. t want you to see page 9. 17 that with your deo- Id MR. CRITIOS. Yu want the tranecript page 97 10 Loot at paragraph -- look et Ina 19. 19 Mk. IWERGOR: Yeah. 19 20 In MR. BERGER: 20 Q. It says. quote, : zerreber one girl wa• young. 21 0. Let me lest make sure you'r• on the right 21 unquote. 22 page. Yeah. 22 Do you see that? IY Look at line I). 2) Yeah. 24 It says. answer. 740. sit. Neatly no. Me 24 IS. CRIT704: torn. 25 saw Oa or w0 youn0 ones In the last Year.' 25 0? NA. PEPCSR: Oa: 407-7500 moor COOS? iniflerta aura% MC. .561) 02-7306 Inn 412-n00 senor Odin AcrOOTIRC ACEar, la. I .541) 0)2.'5[14 ••••••••••••••••••••••nswriansame riemnasserman......uninaae nuerraw .....sreweerrs P tarn rusw....sr• pa • mass boxaflinthborobs ivenalimrnwsr.X.. 3504-022 Page 22 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002636 EFTA00157589 Page ItO Page 170 1 Who were you referring to? 1 In any Judgment she wee 16, 17.. 2 ■ 2 f wee toning about, I was OOOOOOO ng about N. And then you see undOr that at lir* 22. It al that time. 4 says, quote. but t imagine she wee 16. 17. In my O. se at lint. 22. look at lino 22. 5 Judgment She wee 16, 17. unquote. 5 A. Yee. elf. 6 Do you ass that? *Aye. Peet* Out I inegine the ..es 16. 17. 7 MR. CRIESON: Motu. 0 tilt WITNESS: Yeah. O You were referring to who? 9 10 BY MR. BERGER: Mere you referring toll? 9 10 A. O. tom Okay. YOu can put that down. MN. EltIllfg: torn. 11 You mentioned Jog Jo.. You said Joe Joe waa 12 7HE WITNESS: I think so, yeah. 12 the house man in New York/ It Oh. can 1 road this again? 13 Y••. 1 Mat be Joe. 14 BY MR. SERGE*: 14 And do you know his full name? 15 O. Sum, 90 ahead. Tate your tine. 15 A. Joe Joe work with has wife. they wet. 16 A. • Euring the last year while you wet* working 16 Puntanella iptoneticsl. rentanolla. ..104, Joe and Lynn I? for him, what do you mean. they look young? Did they 12 was his wife. Muntenia)... IS look like they were still in high school? Yes. And the IS O. When I. the last time you talked to them? 19 only one that 1 knew vas in high school was. 19 A. Vow. Never talked to them again in over ten 20 tememb*t one girl was young he Maw O years. 21 she was. 1 never •skr.d.luate old she was. 1 think ail O. Now. you arentithed in response to Ma. troll's 22 was In the lost year of high school. 2 doettiOns. y.)../ sold sOmethIng aboutIlis father. De you 23 Right. Understand. 2) repeater talking about that? 24 0.1eatich. 25 But I Imagine she woe 16. 12 I don't know. S Q. Now do you know that person yam her fathom( rata: 41:-//00 pane* Clue? Ran/ATOM ACKNCY, INC. 04:1 0/1-IIC4 1141) 532-7100 PSOSC COUNT RESORTING Pant MC. 061; 632.1106 oesesuareeNellartaafeememaiseminenel lesedes•••••••••••Iensino.nalealen ral• Nuiliweediume 1rein In., 1* USW ealuectuusinimolom• Page 171 rage 172 1 A. Because either she told re or He. MuftwIl told 1 any women that were legless, 2 2 A. NO, not that I Can remember. 3 And she -- I think he Is the one who bring her to the 1 O. that about whoa Prince Andrew was there? 4 house that afternoon. 4 A. Not that 1 Con remoter. sir. 5 • O. Old you ever see AlOn DeTehOwItz welting 6 Q. Moo. you said you know -- you knew who Alan 6 •rourel naked? 7 Dershovits or you know who Alan oershowitr ie. right: A. No, sir. A. Many tames. O. mow about Prince Andrew? 9 0. And he vas at the house? A. Na. sir. 10 A. He's been at the hogs. a lot of thaw.. 10 11 O. Was he ever at the house when there were natal Il 12 Wean at the house? 12 13 II 14 O. 50? 14 O. Let me 90 back for a minute to the 11 A. They were never noted wOman et the house. sir. 15 confidentiality provision In the separation agreenont. 14 1 reemed>er One OnfavIOn when one English 16 Ord you -- did you discuss with anybody why 1/ girl -- I think she was English or Conan girl -- ten* 17 there had to be a confide* tttttt y provision? Old you le to the house. And Usually in Europe they .100 tOPlegg. IS talk to somebody about that? 19 they don't ever anything. But she was taking the sun 19 A. No. No. I discuss It with Mr. Epstein when 20 outside and site home to the house with nothing on and 20 to told no, he finally caw out and says. John -- 1 Wm* 21 cr.... thorn rut. I Berl, net In this Mute. you don't 21 they were OOing t0 try to replace us. And -- rind we got 22 do It. you go outside, put the towel and cone In here. 22 vp0et beceuatt 1 was not ready to leave yet. But at the 23 because she cote to get ...lathing floe the kitchen 23 fame time we were eMeCtind t0 be lett Out. And I left 24 wearing nothing. M0 I did not allow that. 24 there before they decide t0 let we go. 25 0. But when Alan DarOhcorltt was there, were there 25 AM 1 went to -- 1 remember very clearly. 1 601 gt2.-../ ...mat COURT IMOWEIN4 AGENCY. IsC. 0411 012-3104 .141t Ie2 r:44. ralar. Cot*, nrIonallm: ACtet—t. 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It's almost -- It's closing in On 2:00 but for 10 Jeffrey. That's it. We're done. And what you going to It about 45 lariat! Or an hour that we took for lunch. l'n It do for flea tf going to try to be relatively brief to we can get you 12 And he says, well, whet you want? 12 out el here. fikey? 13 And 1 says, give a at least • years **1**v. Il A. okay. sir. 14 And that i t, what it turn out to be, around 14 O. You've been asked gasttene by five different 15 $50,000, Plus the van. IS lawyer* who represent various Plaintiffs In this ease. 16 And he says, okay, John, wish you good luck. 16 A. Yes, sea. And the lest day f was there we shake hands and we left. 17 In age instances you've beer, asked the sea IS but relationship with his. It was gad. It IS question multiple times? 19 was friendly. At the beginning of the -- sq job roe 19 A. Yid. sir. 20 very friendly. Then he Changed When Ms. Maxwell cone 20 O. The tesaneny -- you've also been asked a 21 in. 1 didn't lite to work for her. She was a bitch. 21 number of questions abut your separation free 22 AM she make us life hell. And that's ay we left. Out 22 Mr. Epstein sonatina. at the end of Oiasdler Of '02 and 23 it owl not with Mr. Epstein. 2) the entrance Or your entering Into e elipatatiOn 24 Q. to you know why there was • confident I.•i It y 24 agreewant with him? 25 provision in your •goosent7 25 lap. 013-7500 nalt COURT ntrOATING PdaICY. :PC. /561t. 552-7504 512.7103 ia00E COURT PEPOcala areal. lilt. int: ill2-/a06 meawasweinewmamarearasaa meameaaa r....awrisimmee seenaearioeoe".••7•4=rt=foreesowerm •pica cora m'anww•• • ••• eauescamanimaie Page 125 Page 176 Q. Correct? your aparation from Mr. Epstein in late-2002 and the 2 A. Yes. incident in 2001, that somehow y0 ha colored our Q. And abaequently there was an InCidant in 2002 testteony to help Mr. fisSain today. 4 that you•vo described in scam detail, based on the Rol my question to you Ito Nave you told us questions that have been asked. end you and its. Epstein the truth today a to every question that's been asked 6 resting an ratable agreement: you repaid his the mass and the questions that are going to be sake0 of you? 7 that you had token and you petted? 7 A. r0 every one of you. 8 A. Yes. MR. WILLITS: Object I. the form of the • 0. Is that a fait statement? 9 question. 10 A. And I will have to add something to that. 10 DR IC. CRITTOW: 11 Ron we talk at the lunCheOnette, we have Coffee. he ll O. And with regard to the agreenents that you 12 aye. John, If you were at sly best emplOyee that I ever 12 entered Into with Mr. Epstein. In particular the 13 have and that you would not take Cafe Of fly nether, I I) confidentiality agreement, you were asked a question bi la would have put you sway. And that's the way he car Out ll Ms. Ezell whether you understood that you're not bound 15 to me. 15 by anfidentiality today. And you responded in the 14 And I sa ys. I like you and let's -- Just pa y 16 •fflrmative, tight? you tag/rasa that you're to all 17 so beck in one or two weeks. because I send the natty 17 us -- to answer every question fully tO the best Of your 18 back end it get lest. So he give me another --ant hid. le knowledge? 14 but ha lawyer says, you got another month to ay. Se 19 Absolutely. 20 between I got the sonar -- the sorry order was lost in 20 O. Pal that you have dons today? 21 the mail. So 1 send at beet. I pay everything, 56,110. 21 A. Yes. 22 I think it was 6110. And that was It. 22 0. Okay. 2) Q. And I'm moor interested, not so nich in the 23 10.. IIILLITS: ObBlet to the fore Of the 25 detail', Mr. Alen'', but the Color. 10 t0 speak, the 24 quablOn. 25 lawyers 3eve put on this. is. is that as a result of 27 BY MR. CRITTOM: '5611 822-7500 most COORY REPORTING AGENCY. INC. 12611 012-7504 (Rai 03-I5.14 rate Car anuartm. M2IEY. 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WILLITS: Cblect to the form of th. 15 about your 30bdeSCCIP410.1 end OinieS at Mr. Epstein's. IS question. 16 And If I understood It is ba sically, SACO you 16 ST MR. CRITTCAM correctly, became the full-time house manager. you were responsible I/ And at some point -- let no strike that. 17 10 for all aspects of the °per:ND:n0f the VI Drill* fe The Original 0061. so to speak, that you Cut residence? 19 was with Mr. Epstein: that is. when you beCams the 19 20 full-tine house riknagOti Is !Not true? 20 A. 1 was. DI PM. WILL170: 00)4Nt to toe torn Or tne 21 A. That's true. 22 goNdliOn. 22 0. And cone point within -- what? o year or 2) BY MR. CRITTCP: 23 so, I think Kra .. Ara .. 24 0. And during the tine that you were responsible 24 25 for ell aspects of the Cl 811110 residence, that 25 5411 831.25po flu= tour eXIMITINC ACIART. INC. (561) 412-7506 (561/ 5 /2.7500 PAOS1 MORI arPORTION ACRIOCY, INC. 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WILLITS: He shOUld allowed to finish what 10 A. /hat'. correct. 10 he thinks Is responsive to your question, even if 0. During the tins that you worked for 11 you don't agree. 12 Mr. Epstein. did you have • good, excellent. fair. whet 12 RY NR. C111411010 13 was -- how would you describe your relationship with 1) 0. Mere you finished. sir/ 14 him? Yes, 1 finish. 15 A. Good, excellent or (air. IS M. CR111620: See, he's (inosw-d 16 I will think .200d. 16 M. N1LLITS: Me wasn't, but okay. I/ And did yew interact with him very much or IT BY St. CAlITCM: 18 doer he interact with anybody very ouch? 18 0. I'm trying to -- listen carefully to ny 19 A. Be doesn't Interact very mach. At the early 19 question because l'n trying to get you out of Pare 20 years. yes, he did Mme to the kitchen and we used to 20 sooner rather than 21 sit dawn In the kitchen and he would discuss my kids, my 21 if I IIII4eflit001 your testimony Is. 15 22 family, hie family, and he will talk to me. 22 you had -- you considered your relationship wits 21 At the end of my stay there, it was -- 23 Mr. Epstein to be good during those years) 24 was -- we were told not even to look at his face. Mot 24 25 even to -- this was done by -- this. was even done by, 25 Q. And would you describe your relationship with 04 -5. ,5:50 Pa0:4 CCVIN loterisr. KAMM INC. 11411 81205:6 (561) 812-7700 PkOst COURT SSPOR/INGSAINCY, INC. 134i1 412-15:y www-ws,o-RahlwolialiwwomMilaarniagen •••••••••••••••••••••=erStleynanale. Pee..............441.•••••••••••401.fleeSieeN emenseriars•••• easa4vOSIPInsael Sak••••••••••••••••Sill. roe ltd.% Ira • •410Sal ddiPPPOIPPIAPISC444.01. WairmamocretooMOSOra 3504-022 Page 25 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002639 EFTA00157592 Sege IS? raga 181 Ms. Maxwell as not being as 0000? A. That's correct. A. Its. 2 O. And whatever questions the State Attorney O. When -- you ware -- you had an OppOrtunIty asked of you at that time. T segues you fully answered; • over lunch. Mr. Berger gave you a copy Of a Statement 4 Is that correct? 5 that you gave to the State Attorney's Office on 5 A. Absolutely. 6 Mohnalfla 21, 200$. we've wetted as eahibit. I think. 6 O. Md then page 9 when Mr. Barger took you with • ExhIbit • regard to the questions -- and before I get -- going M. rAITTONI What did we mark it is. 2? to cone back to page 1 in a chute' Ter 1,1710$5: At whet page? gut if : understood your earlier testimony In 10 IS. WILLITS: Yeti. It was 2. 10 response to one of the lawyeis who asked you inflations, 11 M. CRITTON: Thank you. 11 la, thaw wee a Tauber of European women, ell who you 12 AY NA. CR1TTOM: 12 deesed to be 20-plus years old, !hat would travel with 13 0. no, 3ust st•tanent, the weal,. st•wmant. 13 Mr. ['whenn to various piece., and am well would cow to 14 You had an opportunity to look at it over le the bowie free time to tine? 15 lunch? 15 A. That'a cox rect 16 A. Yea. Id O. Md I think you testified In response to I/ Q. And that'. • at•tenent you gay• back on 17 Mr. Mager's queatioas today, is that the only female Is November 21st of 2005? IS that you understood that Can to the house Outing the 19 A. Uh-huh. It time that you were the house asnager who you knee to to 20 Q. IS that correct? 20 under the age of 18 21 A. That's Correct. 21 A. That's correct. 22 O. And at that tine you wore there with 22 Md you knee she was under le beci.fle 23 in. Murrell. who was your attorney. And you gave • 23 statement and I think as well your wit* spoke with the 24 A. That's correct. 25 St•t• Attorney's Office? 23 0. And teat's • young <AEI who I think you 061) 412-1100 Pnara 0:001 PRPOPriltd ArfloCY, 1MC. 0411 632-750i (3611 • 12- I)cO PROW Cann' WPOInING ACINCY IMC 0411 811-1506 eeweeaeMMMY~ __ mflanaseentimetememennee•tweiti •-vatemane- rig inateewinsweekewmatiranemare 4 .0.0.0t...1.401041lb** knee nVM n31•1 / mauwwwwswewmar Page IS? Page 184 1 in Miami. we -- so it was so nany that I cannot remember • A. 16, I?. how many. 2 And 1 think you said she never was involved in 3 O. Okay. And I Understand that. I'm lust giving any ma/wages to Mt. Epstein? 4 referring back to your statement where It says at page A. 1 don't think so, never. 9. line 1, the geesition woe: "Yeah. Yeah. Not the And the tine, teat you e.g her. Mr. Epstein 6 Sara girl. t *man. during 11 years l pzobably say a • was hundred. 200 different na•hige therapists." 8 $ Co you see that? 9 A. I think so. Yeah, that was the main purpose. 10 0. And on multiple occasion. when she would be Q. 10 All right. And It I understood your testimony over. she would be over there at Kr. Epstein's homeM 11 is, the ones the -- that to. of the massage therapists. 12 la that correct? 12 as you've lust described, you saw some non? 13 A. Yes, that's correct. Men 14 O. Md of the girls that can or the woven that 14 Q. You sew more hound 15 calla to give Minfleges to Mr. Epstein over the years you 15 A. More wrist 16 were there, t think you've described on page 9 of your 16 Q. AM all of the wonen. at least from your 17 deposition that you nay have seen a hundred or 200 viewpoint. were 10, 19 or older? IS different neseage therapists? A. IS Yes. 11 A. It could be les*. I don't think It's more M. CRITIOM, Why don't you change your taps 19 20 than 200, but it could be less than 200. yes. It was -- 20 fight new. 21 lr waa IL ware or 12 years or 13 years or constant 21 TIOCCalteletelt: Orr the record at 2354. 22 People going in and out and people that were coning to 22 (Brief removers.) 23 the house, he will bring foe another state, he will 23 VIDECCAAOMER) Mere back on the record et 24 bring in 1110 planes. People that it Came ttOre Curer, 24 2:55. 25 message therapists, there were men and wen. They live 25 BY IS, CRITIOM: 15611 4)2-75OO NOE COURT nEPOWINC AGENCY. 10.1. 0611 On."). PROCR WNW RIPOrnin AGulh - t. INC. tatll $11-1106 061) 812-1100 IIISIMMItOONOOMISISSIONIINallSIO eassoweenosmatemmeweieninime, .1.10•INSION404 wavflawmflartenameanionainemes IC.C.Mankl . .........isseerm tonna...a tmoweavereatmeineemiltglaarlininsbomemumaparampasommmiteseieweennainiamem Canatountrommenei chtnadohyrtnitttleht• 3504-022 Page 26 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002640 EFTA00157593 Page 185 rage ilk 1 Q. Mr. Alessi. In the 11 years that you worked 1 them afterward? 2 for Mr. Pastan, with regard to the menage 2 A. Yeah. 3 therapists -- and 1'r inking about all of them, women, O. Did you taually See then if they Came down? 4 Awn, the ones that rem IS. 19, 20, of the ones that 4 A. Yeah. 5 were older -- did you ever see -- or, first of all, did • O. SO you Would hake had an Opportunity t. 6 you ever hear any complaints about -- Iran the manna. 6 Observe their appearance. Correct? • therapists about the manage they had given to • A. Theta Gennt. • Mr. Epstein? O 0. Have you nen people whoa loot <115tfe........ht• in 9 9 shOfk, nand, upset, angry In the pest -- not message 10 Q. Old you ever ne a manage therapist during 10 therapietel -- have you seen people In your nee 11 these 11 years that appeared to you to be distraught? 11 experience'? 12 A. Never. 12 A. Ob. yeah. Yes. 13 0. TO be in some torn or a shock? 12 MR. MERNELATEIN: Object to the Torn. 14 A. Never. It DT M. CRITTOM: 15 O. TO be Stared? 15 0. So if -- all, let no ask it this way: In 16 A. I never eve anybody 'Cared. 16 your life experiences before you worked for Mr. Epstein, 12 O. Old you ever ne atone who 1OOA44 like they I] and, In Caul, during the tan you worked for IS were upset or crying? IS Mr. Epstein, have you seen Individuals not associated If A. No. sir. 19 with Mr. Epstein who Appeared to be distraught, in 20 0. 1 thank you, In response to Mr. -- well, not 20 shoot, sued, upset, angry or 1nfeNi 21 sure who one the question -- but they you were 21 22 asked whether you ever note to the individuals -- 22 MR. NEWEISTEIN: Object to fore. 23 2) DT MR. CRITTON: 21 O. -- when they cars down. And 1 think you and 24 O. Have you seen people who appeared to you in 25 from tine to tine you mlobt have some small talk with 25 have been traumatised by a particular event? 11611 02-1500 rang CON' AnGairim5 Marl. :NC. 1561) 422-,506 061) 012-7100 MME COURT REPORTING AGENCY. otc. 0611 a12-7506 OSIgedisele•••••••••TeasSOSJOISSO ...et -it tat-.• t—eot--emettint..... weave .stasis • " "" " ' " " ' "" ""1 "7:O42.11=tten.... ince. 50-.P taws auM ele.eVOWLMOMSNIMI et ...et ...en.. Page 155 MR. I€RMEL$TEIN: Object to form. A. Yes. sig. TEE WITNESS: Tee. 2 O. Once that person was upstairs. you then would 3 DY MR. CRITION: 3 Coin ban damn and as one your multiple duties 4 O. Nave you even people who downoteln? see. to De well. I 5 asses you've seen people who have yelled Or 'Craned as 5 A. Absolutely. 6 • result or some event that had occurred in taut 6 0. As to what occurred during the course of a presence? sanaMmh do you have any personal knowledge during the 0 Yes. 6 11 years you were then? On the ransage therapists that you Saw at 9 A. There was absolutely no way to know Or to lot 10 Mr. Epstein'is house non 1992 up until the time you left ID Into CM fine. The windows were what they hove, ti-ose 21 In December of / 02, did you ever see any type or 11 automatic electric shutters. They were completely dark, 12 reaction. distraught, shock. scared, upset , crying. 12 fOnpletely • hundred percent dark, the (Vona. And It II disheveled, Injured. disoriented, yelling or screaming 13 was -- nobody Now It. 1 Lome it when 1 was at the house 14 for help at any tine? 14 that I never saw anything win ring on "aide. IS IS O. So you have no personal knowledge what 16 0. Once the menage -- once -- let use *trite 16 occurred during any particular menage> IT that. 17 Nothing. IS If 1 understood your testimony. you helped set le 0. And I think you said -- well, lot rm strike 19 up -- either you set up the rocs or you helped set up 19 that. 20 the menage room? 20 In other individual. whom you have done work 21 A. 21 for at bag houses an palm beach, did those people from 22 Q. Ara you might be the person Or It might be 22 time to tine have manages. too? 23 someone else who would lead the massage thenplets or 23 A. I never work In • house Inside es I did mark 24 the tonle up to the coon, the mete or the female up to 21 for Mr. Epstein. 25 the town. 23 0. Routs an outside sksintenance work? 1541) [)2.1100 rh3:t Can PRPORT:aN St23Ct. INC. 11611 0J?-710t Inli 0)2-ISO? :POSE 00:44 PIMPING AGENCY. 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You were asked • question about 10 questIon. 10 vibrators or I think that the word was sex toys. 11 BY NI. COITTON: 11 If you'll turn to page 20 of your st•torent, 12 Vali, let ye strike that. 12 sir. 11 Ara um: ewers that therm'. norm them ran 13 rf sou look at page it you juat glance at 14 plated that sOmmicie Can get a naelage in Pain Reach 14 line 9 -- 15 County? IS A. Okay. A. 16 O. -- through limo 22. Lie a chance. If you'll 16 Of COurse. I? 0. Are you aware that there's probably more than 17 just leek at that. then I'll ask you a couple questions. 16 a hundred places, saybe a thousand places In Palm Pooch 10 Road to yourself, p10460. Others:1Se, the Ig 19 court reporter will have to take down everything you County true Boca Raton up through Jupiter and all the 20 way out west where people can get a therapeutic or a 20 say. al tesseister 21 A. Yeah. 22 A. Yes. 22 0. And at least the stetenent that you gave beck 2) 0. And I assume you more aware, that -- or are 2) in -- on NOverber Ilet of 2005, almast &boost four 24 you aware Of that during the tine period that you worked 24 years ago no., you describe that there ver• -- that you 25 for Cf. EpfteIn? 25 •sw two [Kase of meaner, or vibrator.: is that 0611 8)2-7500 COOS? APPOWfirh AceriCr. INC. 0617 012-7504 111.11 el2-7500 11.04C COuRT IMICATitIC OCINCS. :5411 1112-7504 Rierwiteromeireamserrammeranerrene memembarramarammomacameverema ..n ammrarnmal eammareramm gam. n ow...am Imams Maw rbrornmoomernr•omer Irma reva ear . mouraewmarcresemee eausemearsarommose Page 191 Page 192 Correct? I It true now. Is It true When I make this statement. It 2 That• • correct. was a big rubber oan• -- And la that your boot recollection. I Penis? AM you ail 4 here today> 4 A. -- looking penis, with double heed, two head,. A. That . * the best recollection. 1 6 6 A. And I don't klICS. haw Is It even called. Rad I 0. And one of the vibrators, you said was. as you sorry. It's a little unpleasant. described earlier, looked like a 01100? Right. Q. That . . all right. The second Item that you described was a neck 10 O. KILLITS: 10 and heck vibrator; is that Correct? Onyeet to the form of the 11 question. 11 A. Yeah. They neve this vlbrotOrS, they have the 12 BY IR. CRITTOSI 12 cordless and they hare these bells and they have 0. well, le t me ask you this: Nos the item that it different types of these vibrator*, tog. 14 you described, that's described at lines 12, II and le. 14 P. Like you man get then at Brook:atom or IS and IS -- 12, IS and 14 on page 20. is that what you IS stmethIng like that? 16 described, is that what you were talking about es the 16 A. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. sir. 11 0. So at least when you were at Kr. Isabela's. dlldo? 1$ A. Yes. 16 and I think as you described in response to lawyer's 19 0. And I muse you're familiar with chat a cliblo 19 questions today, so during the last couple of mOritha 20 15? 20 that you worked at Mr. Epstein's you sew these two 2: A. I know that it's 21 vibrators? One Of these -- 22 A. Yes. 22 0. YOu don't have to describe it. Just are you 21 familiar with whet one is? 2) 0. And On those. two occasions you'd take those 24 A. No, I don't. 1: n not really bmiller with 24 vibrators. If you went up to clean aftetwords, you'd put 25 that type of instruments. But what did I wen it end IR 25 on your gloves, pick then up with • to-el avM you'd 1141: 432- ):7 ' ;moss cast essconisr. Apricot, INC. 1$611 0)2-7506 1561, $12-7500 Pio= COURT SEPON7INC Kent, INC. 1561: 012.1506 Immwernewen moo. uovamenananalme fle:••••••••••••••••••••••eadreeel•ISNMe ilim••••••••••••••••••••••••teleleerearel ' —teettSCIPtIllik.. , .6 ,...... 0,1•Ce•••••Crimne•Phieene , . 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You tut/ fled earlier, is that if 13 found than -- 13 14 A. 1 flog It in the Oink. IC either be you or Y. Itivarel I, It understood you IS MA. BERGER: Objection. Mr. Britton is IS correctly? IG Metifying. beading. 16 A. Yeah. MA. WILLITS: Objection. also. to the fora. 17 0. Okay. 18 BY MR. CRITIC*: 18 A. At the end -- at the end of my nay was also 19 O. Lot i.e ask you thin no you know. if : 19 another girl, that Call. And then she was 20 umlaaaaand it correctly, you toyed the, tea vibrators. 20 handling everything, as far an cells to these girls. II One IOC the neck and Yet and Eno Other One tnet you SI 050 nr. spatean ever mete %Mee raised 22 described at a 01100. yew 10tt4 then In the sink on 22 I never heard. 23 those few occasions near the end of your sopleynent? 23 If Kr. tyst•in was not In residence. that la, 24 24 If he was in Mew Tort or non place •Ise other than rein 25 NA. AIROGA: Objection. TeetIfYln0. beading. 25 Beach. did you and your oleo etlli stay at the hole or 15611 elI-7500 mddr cove? netmct, INC. :54I, e11-15414 15611 8)2-7500 MOSE Ohne: erfOR/1106 A40CI. INC. 1561/ 112-5804 elialteettledletveeetweielvelenaleell. tvonmettweedVimItinpme•Ww.04e0Setet mweellteid04.MIBUd ewemus ammommattowatme• eaSZORI•teenelen Pelt 195 Page 196 MUM you go to One of your apartment] type WOWS? 2 A. Y. Ye went to our apartment. 2 A. That's right. 3 0. And then when he wasn't there. would you hive 3 Q. And if he was in residence. that's when your pretty mom regular house around the haute? job became nurh more all oncomploole47 5 A. such. such, yeah. That wan the 5 A. exhausting. 6 days that we had to have the cleaning crew, 1 evil, too 6 Q. Okay. Tou more asked about a female nailed to go to the house end oversee the cleaning operation, 7 I= I think you originally thought it wasIIII. but 8 oversee the gardener beceuee there wee not, when they 9 10 so we have to take case of the pool, the chlorine and 10 You recall now; is that correct/ 11 all that stuff. 11 Yes. Yes. 12 Q. So you would still do your regular but you 12 Q. And I think you described her. I think your 13 could finish pretty such 5:00 to 5:00? I) Ye0011eCtiOn was. Is that you temetter her being at the 14 Yes. 'Mat was much easier. 11 house the last few months that you worked for 15 And when he woe -- Mar often would he 15 Mt. EpetOin? 16 generally be In Palm Beath? 16 A. Yeah. The lest few Meths. 17 A. TOO much. 11 0. And that's the only time that you eentdifer her 10 O. All right. But If -- would he be here at IS actually 00Ing there? 19 least a couple -- 19 A. Yeah. 20 A. I would says. at least three tines a year -- a 20 O. 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I don't know If it was Thank you, Mr. A . 4 forced between them, but I never nos force. I never THE WITNESS: You're welcome. saw -- 1 was there the first time Ms. Maxwell net Mr 5 MM. N1LL17S: I don't have any questions. immediately that she went Into the ape s who.: she was 6 MA. StilfdA: Okay. 7 walking into the spa. And 1 was surprised to see tow: MS. EZELL: 1 do. 0 afternoon she was et the house. RECROSS CUM:NATION 9 0. Did you ever see anyone fiitClilg= onto 9 BY 05. UCLL: 10 the Opsteln: s poemsssss that is. either by grabbing her 10 O. Sorry. Let ne find ny place, here. by the armor by the hand and dragging her in? 11 First of all, forgive re . I didn't neon to 12 A. me. Either her or nobody else. 12 mislead anyone. It is not Santiago 13 o. Did you ever see whorl she Cue to I) 14 the MNa where she appeared to be -- that is, when mt. 14 IS arrived at the hone to be tweet or angry or dratFought? 15 16 No. 16 Noy head is not going very cell n0w: so... 17 And spectElcally with regard to= when she 17 Do you need to take • break? 10 left on those occasions where you saw her in person IO A. Please. Not I err fine. I M line. 19 eeeee the house, did she appear to be In the mine, I : d 19 Q. Well. It was my head that waiin't going very 20 say, overall deipenner and mood when she left as she had 20 well then. 21 been often new none, 21 You mentioned that your wife, I believe you 22 Yeah, normal. She was normal. 22 said that let Me V•r. 23 Did she smile, 23 24 Yeah. 24 )5 Say hello to yowl 25 THU 412-7,00 Mat. COURT REIORTING AGENCY. IBC (341) 0)2-7104 1561) 412-7500 TKOS RAM itertairinD MEMOS DK. 061) 412-7506 resesebroeeseareaueeetarrams• teNeeeleeteeed••••••••••••414144•1010 "s arisn lednArvrialeraeasiorre Aber. tune•••••••••• IeneeteRideeddleSteeekenetenefelee e004•1000.0 Tineenheasees dna Ort • ease Wileendedearnelenl iig. 203 Pate 204 Are you -- de you recall • Martin Nowak? I think that soenda familiar. If he Is an old guy. old man? 4 I think so. Methematicien? Yee. 6 Q. Biologist? A. Yes. Nis rime Martins I recall the., yes. 8 0 0. And do you recall • guest, Murray Gell-Mann? 9 9 A. Mary Gell-Nalm7 10 10 MA. MILLETS: t think you said -- 11 its. EZELL: Murrey. 12 12 KR. WILLITS: -- Murray and he said wry. 13 1) BY MS. [BELL: 14 14 0. Murray. Morey Gell-Mann. And. again. Pm IS 15 spotting of these -- these -- 16 0. Old she •ver conplain to you or saes elleturbed 16 A. le that a man Or a woman? 17 by what she thought wes going on there? 17 0. I believe It's • nen. 10 A. No. 9M humor saw anything. Ie A. Murray Coll -Mann. Could be, but I don't 19 0. Was there ever 4 Idlest these by the nen* of If recall. 20 Today Hat0147 20 Co you recall the name Jerry Edelman? 21 A. Teeny Motels? Na. Not when I His there. 21 22 0. YOu mentlOned tae nOrning that there ware 22 O. What about -- can't reed my own wrItsny 23 soma visitors who were very InpOttant men. Noble Prise 2) here -- henry 41204441 1pholustIce17 24 whiners> 24 Moray Rlsorski. yes. Yes. 25 A. 7••. na•at. 25 was he • frequent visitor or -- 15411 012-1Saa PPOSE COURT RCOCOTING AGENCY, INC. then S32 -75O6 061) *12-i500 !MT! CC414T Igrivrr:ms AUTACY. IWT. 15411 532.1)':4 enemesedemditedieleadeellehneme d eeeeteelledetedetteesseSedain eeefeleleeneelebelhand44,40N. h•-etia .t mama rn".••••••"" e ndl roNt Pteeshrtes Ora Geese Or Or IntditeCteitli Cede 3504-022 Page 3Iof35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002645 EFTA00157598 Taw 205 l'47a at la frequent. But. also, he was be was sone wart of brain scientist? 2 Selena -- I think so. he was into the rielenCe 2 MO. CIOTTOW: Form. 0. And Larry Saner.? ?WE WitaMS: MO. No. Mo. 1 know hla 4 A. Larry Vowsere. Yes. Larry Sugars ea: 4 backgrand. And 1 -- over the years I learn tow he S lawyer? Lose up and into the business and how he make his 6 O. I think peal*, he was the president 01 a 6 fortune. And 1 don't think he was a brain 7 4711•00? 7 scientist. 4 A. 1 don't knOah BY MS. 9 0. DIO? 9 nobody ever told you that? 10 A. Mon 10 11 0. Well. then emOng those that you recall. 11 0. If you take a look again et page 9 01 the 12 Mr. Nowak, the biologist and Mr. itiscasa, did they ever 12 transcript, Exhibit 2? I) have Lampee that you an recall? 1) A. Okay. 14 A. I cannot recall. ea. 14 O. Let a call your attention to line 2, which IS O. Was It your Irpression that Mr. Ipiawirs Ilawg 15 begins with the question: 'Did he have girls come over 16 to surround himself with sssssordinarily bright people? 16 to give massages?' I? Tee. 17 A. Yes. 14 10. CRITTOM: rem. 16 fad you Maid: 19 BY MS. EZELL: 10 Yea. 20 O. And la it your lyrsaslm. also. that he's 20 0. The next question is: elaw many anages 21 rather bright and brilliant havelf? 21 would he hart in one day?" 22 A. Yes. 22 fad 1 think you said earlier, maga -- 21 HR. WILLITS: Fan. 2) sOallas they'd have three a an , 24 BY MIL EZELL: 21 A. Mo. No. That an not the question. 25 O. Ord -- did you eves gain the lar•aslon that 21 Scnetaes he had one, two or throe a day. nal; el?-7500 PAWS COUP? eateria Acme... :MC. Oa) On-7506 (S41; 677.10:e PROSE COURT Itianlin atECT, INC. 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But it was • ay job.. 10 couple of these girls that were yoga experts end they 10 And the fraestiOner said: 'Eight. 1 11 were massage therapists at the sae time, so 1 don't 11 understand.' 12 know. But there were -- may tines there are two. 12 And you said: 1 livela she was 16 or 1) three Nosaarpea a day. 13 14 Also. she had a massage PAS{ about every day. It That's correct. IS Meaning, Gaetano? IS 'Sr. sty ludgmont. e 16 A. Va. 16 Yes. I? O. Then On line 12, the question was: 'Did the 17 HA. China: fora I think. 14 massage therapists nor young to you?' 14 BY MS. EZELL: le axe you and: 'Mostly, no. You maw one or 19 O. mare was -- the only people being discussed 20 two young pens in the last year.' 20 in all of this conversation were the massage therapists. 21 yeah. 21 right? 22 Tan. again, still -- 22 MA. CEITTON: Form. 2) M. CRITION: Oblect to MOT. 23 THE anCESS: Well, we discuss aboutill, this 21 BY M.S. EZELL: 24 girl thin 1 Matton in here. I thinking about her 25 Q. -- still talking about the massage therapist. 2s because -- what's her nano? (Sall 832.1'1. PROSE 00501 PEPORTia Adval. ibOli 032-7500 15611 a)2-75n: iscet tour LISCIIT I Ile• ACIACT. lee. 1,61) 512-7506 emeassaaa T••••••••• .04 it.1••• pia., reema sra a nia—.:—ra=fare.... ....... C4PXKOLatIROPIRIOM) to., 4.41•••••1 dnnMan4a ., , Cae•SinbaflememeN, Se Cashews 010...COmaTrtitx 'COY 3504-022 Page 32 of 35 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00002646 EFTA00157599 Page 201 Page 210 1 BY MS. EZELL: 1 As far as I knew. she was not. 2 Q. Et 2 0. And you were tel thiewohowt this peg* A. me I think she was a assa0e therapist for 3 about triode girls that Cone to give nefs41.3? 'sore, because we set up the tables for ber. But et 4 MR. C14151040 Form. tine -- 5 BY MS. EZELL; 6 MS. EZELL: Let ne lust -- excuse me. Just a Correct? minute. 'Att i e aske It= That's all. MR. CRITION: ?GM. Azgenentralve. Asked end I . CRIT1:10 Okay. l'n answered. THE WITNESS: MI Arid I loet THE 10111195, No. If I say, she was e russeile 10 Concentration. 10 therapist, i would says, no. But. then ageln, 1 11 HR. CMITTOM, enhy don't you reed Pile response 11 don't know If she was e ner0age therapist. TOO. 12 to inn? 12 BY Ma. EZELL: Ii She can read It back to you. 12 0. Okay. You do mention. On page 21 Of yOur 14 'Previous answer woe read.) le st•tørent. IS THE SITMES0: Yeah. I was -- In this 15 If you look at line /, you mention a yoking 16 I? •tatenent 1 was thinking of her.- BY NIS. EZELL: -- no. • 16 17 girl, but aha on A. not • sonar tet ne take a look. therapist? Pepe 21. 18 0. 114 Q. At about line 7. 19 A. Sorry again. 19 A. Lino T. 20 It war= that 1 knew she was undone". and 20 NM. 041:704b but It In the context of your 21 knew IC because 21 answer - 22 23 El 0. Out Ohl' wee net a balmier therapist. -- 22 21 MS. EZELL: MR. PILLI19: Sure. NO the gmestiOn. t00. 24 P. W. she was not. 74 IhIC NITSMSS: West ion: - Pee- -- let me start 75 0. -- as far se you know? 25 It Iron the begInning-- from the end. 457-7500 MOd6 COstil rlytOliTleC ACteCT, Mkt. 45611 512)520 15011 $32-7500 teel LOOS htidflhMC ASmier. :WC. 0611 412-7504 imeremeeraws•wwwweneransoese eleir~TrOsreereflemele~1/70SIONI reewir~s.easoriseinsessimi rheee.atrenearrel.•••••••••••••Wenallel romoNeeshopeoheeeenemomnsamer OISLOICenterri90•Neel. hilliSql.eabeflite0810. Page 211 Page 212 Many of the been a whilw. it was II 1 -- would be the young au*? 2 It was. It id. It wee so many._ lt was 2 A. Yeah. 3 ao 'many nave., that 1 think al yes hone -- If 3 0. You state0 that Ma. Maxwell was very hard On 4 you any girl'a name, she's been there probably. 4 you and you pot blamed for everything. and that you -- 5 5 you liked th0 job and you liked Mr. Epstein. bat you 6 It wee else • Young girl but she wee not • 6 didn't like working for Kr,. Maxwell? 7 'assess* therapist. She c••• to the house es a 1 A. That's correct. friend. 0. Can you tell or why. Other than that ar, I talking aboutIllbecause I knew shoo was not 9 bland you for everything? 10 a manage therapist because ahe went to high school 10 A. She cane Crow a very wealthy tally and She 11 end she vas • singer, an opera singer and she wee 11 was luet ny opinion? 1 give ty persons] Opinion - 1I brought to the house by her nether. So I knew they 12 that she was rotten Spoiled and she tiled to arise the 13 had nothing to do with massage.. They were friends Il house Ilk, it palace sen not a none. 14 end they mite going to the none with her. dinner 14 I was -- I discussed It with her, many. eeny 15 with her. And she had -- I think she travelled IS times we have 4111Cue$1011$. And ffiemelblies I even re/tune 16 with her, too. They travel. le to de her orders. kneeing trot : wee going to be beck's I? O. Its only point Is. that on page 9 you were 1/ kip by Mr. Epstein or de the right thing. eg thinking bl IS talking *beat the massage fhtroplete. AM you said that 11 running the how.* should be. But se never had • good If you remember that there were • couple of young ones the 11 relationship et All fro. the beginning, 1 don't think 20 last year. 20 ao. Out I was -- hare to he her driver and she will go 21 And, so, linen, the young mesas.* therapists 21 and shop ell over the malls and 1 will have to do behind 22 boa you night remerber in the lent year. reovIclaw. 22 her, pay for It and bring the bags to the car. 23 that person or 23 Next day or the ana day she ve ll] do shopping 24 NH. CIIITTON, Yore 24 and buy and soy, John, go to this store end get It. It 25 BY MS. CULL/ 25 was a lot or work. :t was a lot that she created and £541( rot caber ?Type/ Etc acne's, le:. 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John, mote a list of ell the nasssge -- the spas A. Yes. 10 In the area free Jupiter to Roca Ranh. And we went to 0. for your deposition? 11 all the wain spas. AM then we went tO the '<Imola for A. Yes. 12 Minale therapists, and all the massage parlors, and 12 0. Did you call anyone lifter you received the 13 massage. the Small Miner. 11 subpoena to talk to them *ben thla? 14 So I make a list from the telephone book era 14 15 lee would go UFOS One to the another one. I would wall 15 O. You didn't Call anyone? 16 in the car and she goes In. 16 If And sometime she took a couple minutes end It 0. bid you -- how did you cone in contact with IS walk out with card•, bu****** cards. And that -- she IS Mr. Penton's office to set up the meeting that you If did the recruit trig. If discussed? 20 And Isom then. she pick up the girls and that 20 A. Nis -- his secretary left ne a monies on 21 was the end of it. I neves did any reCrultin and I 21 sy -- In my machine. 22 never realty aid bin doing it. 22 had then you milled back? 23 0. You really never sus? 23 then I coiled Diet. 24 A. Omer mew Mr. Epstein recruiting anybody. 24 0. And you set up the meting that y. .. new 2) MS. All right. I haw no otter 25 A. And we set up a mettird for the Labor Day. 1141t $12-7100 MDSE Cdair IMPOW/IM Anser, lit. Ott" u: -tin ini) 4112-7500 Inn COURT IMPOSING Mann. IPM. 1)411 02-7504 wi -- *" ...".. taine n te eftweow Roe., dame N"'"" h”Olf emsame tmeemtee Sege 211 Sage 216 Labor MAY. Monday. A. Van thing. what's Wing On. How bed the 2 Q. What about -- but you 'aid a month and • half 2 situation was. 3 ago - on. this was before you were subpoenaed. Is when 3 O. What do you Meat, 'Mu On the situation wa sp 4 you had the noting at your house with Mr. -- 4 A. How -- I guess how he got Into this mass. 5 A. Yea. before I was subpoenaed. 0. How Ht. Epstein got into this mess? 6 O. Mw did that noting con about? Now did that Inds head." 7 get set up? We called who? Can you be ware OpeCIIIC ke to what you end A. Okay. before -- I an stuck on this question. your wife said? 9 I don't know. I think it was Mr. Craton office. I A. No. It was just the publicity. you know, that 10 think It was Mr. Critton office. They call M. And 10 has age wee en the -- on the magazines and the paper 11 they left ne a mange that I must discuss -- Call Kr. II and tv. And : thought that that would newer happen. 12 -- yeah. I had a message in ny phone that to cell 12 0. had you and your wife felt bad for Mr. Epstein Mr. <Mtn because he would like tO speak to use about 13 because of that? 14 Jeffrey Epstein. That wee the messed.. 14 A. You know. after you know somebody end he 15 Ma : call It. Shen I abet* to him we set 15 locund a friend of your. for ten years, I think you 16 up en appointment. 1 wa s sick at net tine. And he 16 feel bed, no matter how bad he ha. men. 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