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Page 1 STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- VOLUME I OF II JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF E.W. Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:02 - 6:30 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Jeana Ricciuti, RPR, FPR, CLR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Eiectronically signed by Jeans Fascist' (601 31,7135dc-3693-4b9f-b60e-98638afea746 EFTA00723630 EFTA00723631 Page 2 Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 1 A. Okay. 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 2 Q. Again, my assistant is sitting in the room. 3 BRADLEY1 EDWARDS, ESQUIRE If you wouldn't mind, just — 1109 Northeast Second Street 3 4 Hall 33009 4 MS. YOUNG: Hi. Matisse Phone: 5 Marissa? Hi. I'm 5 6 BY DR. HALL: 6 7 Q. I believe that was an arrangement worked out 7 On behalf of the Defendant 8 ASHLIE STOKEN-BARING, PARALEGAL 8 between the lawyers that there be one person present. BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTHER & COLEMAN, LLP 9 A. Okay. 9 303 Banyan Boulevard 10 Q. As you can tell from the camera, we're going Suite 400 11 to be videotaped. I don't know what the agreement is in 10 West P 'de 33401 Phone: 12 terms of who owns the tape, if that's going to be your 11 13 attorney, shared attorneys. Iles not my — 12 14 A. Okay, that's fine. 13 ALSO PRESENT: 15 Q. This will be probably six to eight hours, 14 Dr. Ryan Hall, M.D. 15 16 dependent. But if at any time you need to take a break, 16 Jeffrey Abbot, Videographer 17 you would like to get something to eat or water, Visual Evidence, Incorporated 18 anything like that, just let me know. 17 19 A. Okay. 18 19 20 Q. I'll be keeping track of the time and things 20 21 along those lines. 1 don't know what's going to be done 21 22 for lunch. The last time, f didn't know it was going to 22 23 be in a different office, so Pm assuming whatever the 23 24 lunch break is, theyll wrangle up a sandwich or 24 25 25 something for us. Page 3 Page 5 1 EXAMINATION 1 With that, do you have any questions before we 2 2 begin? 3 BY DR. HALL: 3 A. No. 4 Q. If you want to, write the name of your counsel 4 Q. No? Okay. t, in. 5 Usually, how I do this is I Me to get a lot o A. As in Brad? 6 of background information, so I may be asking you a lot Q. As in Brad, yeah. 7 of questions that don't directly pertain to the lawsuit Then, also, we're going to be doing some 8 up front. 9 testing later on. This is again, I think this was in 9 A. Okay. 10 the original packet we sent you. I'm not sure if you 10 Q. And then well talk about what happened and 11 received that or not, the patient history questionnaire. 11 what the events were and things of that nature, all 12 A. No. 12 right? 13 Q. You did not get that? 13 A. Okay. 14 A. No. 14 Q. So with that, where were you born? 15 Q. We'll be filling that out later in the day 15 A. I was born in- 16 then. 16 Q. Okay. And I apologize, I'm a little slow with 17 A. Okay. 17 writing. 18 Q. If I can have you read this and sign this as 18 A. No, that's no problem. 19 well saying that you realize we're going to be testing. 19 Q. Is that Where 15 20 A. Okay. So I just — is this filled out by 20 at? 21 someone other than — 21 A. No, it's on the 22 Q. Right. Ifs going to be filled out by you 22 Q. Okay. And was there any problems or 23 so - 23 complicationswith your birth? 24 A. So just put my name or leave it blank? 24 A. No, not to my knowledge, but Pin pretty sure, 25 Q. Just leave it blank. 25 no. 2 (Pages 2 to 5) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIccluti Ell1786dc-3693-4b9f-b50.48838aRia748 EFTA00723632 Page 6 Page 8 1 Q. So nobody ever told you you were in the NICU, 1 health history or problems or -- 2 PICU, had to spend longer, came early, came late, cord 2 A. Right. 3 around your neck, problem with your pregnancy, nothing 3 Q. Okay. Roughly, how old is mom and dad? 4 along those lines? 4 A. I can't — my mom is — honestly, she's lied 5 A. Nothing on those terms. 5 about her age for so long time. I believe she is 6 Q. Okay. And did you meet your normal 6 probably like 45 or 46. Maybe older, I'm not really 7 developmental milestones, walking, talking on time? 7 positive. And my father is probably around SO years 8 A. Yes. 8 old, give or take. 9 Q. Any significant childhood illnesses? 9 Q. I'll put 45-ish. 10 A. I'm sorry? 10 A. Okay. 11 Q. Any significant childhood illnesses? 11 Q. Any brothers or sisters? 12 A. No. 12 A. I have one brother. Well, actually two 13 Q. I mean, other than mumps is a little rarer 13 brothers. One's my half brother, one's my biological 14 nowadays, but I mean, chicken pox or anything like that, 14 brother. And my biological brother i.. 15 nothing out of the ordinary? 15 Q. Okay. 16 A. No. 16 A. And my stir s ther iois 17 Q. aa.nd your date of birth? 17 Q. I'm sony; 18 A. 18 A. 19 Q. And can you tell me a little bit about your 19 Q And how old is 20 parents? 20 A. My brother is and my younger brother, I 21 A. My mother's name is The lives= 21. don't really have that much of a relationship with him. 22 in 22 I believe he's 23 Q. Okay. 23 Q. Okay. And is=married, single, 24 A. My father's name is 24 divorced? 25 Q. 'Thank you. 25 A. He's single. Page 7 Page 9 1 Okay, and whore is he at? 1 Q Ancl Married, single or divorced? 2 A. To be honest, I don't have a relationship with 2 A. Single, I'm sure. 3 hint 3 Q Okay. And you said is the one you 4 Q. Okay. And that's fine. If I ask you 4 didn't have much of a relationship with — 5 something you don't know, feel free to tell me. 5 A. Right No, my brother= I have a 6 A. Right. 6 relationship with him. 7 Q. And sometimes it's okay to ballpark if you 7 Q. Okay. Where doesMive? can't tell me anything more specific when we're talking 8 A. He lives in 9 about when you were five or six. 9 Q. Okay. And —s in Florida, out of 10 A. Right 10 Florida? 11 Q. It's hard to remember exact dates and things 11 A. He's inM 12 Tike that. 12 Q. Okay. Any nieces or nephews? 13 What's mom do for a living? 13 A. No. 14 A. Shen 14 Q. No? Okay. 15 Q. Okay. Does she have any medical problems? 15 Do you have any children on your own? 16 A. No, not to my knowledge. 16 A. No. 17 Q. Okay. Any psychiatric problems? 17 Q. MAW, evil and nasty question to ask. My 18 A. Not to my knowledge. 18 math is not always the best. Born in■ that would 19 Q. Okay. !know you said you don't have a 19 make you how old? 20 relationship with dad, but do you know anything about 20 23. his medical history or — 21 Q. 22 A. No, I don't, but I do believe that right now 22 what ethnicity or nationality do you 23 he's 23 consider yourself? 24 Q. I'll put that down with a question mark 24 A. I' 25 Okay. And as far as you know, no mental 25 3 (Pages 6 to 9) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIccluti (801e) 3,6766dc-36934b9t-b50e-9861Elat0a746 EFTA00723633 Page 3.0 Page 12 1 1 or — 2 2 A. Yes. 3 3 Q. How long have they been together? 4 A. I'm not really sure what lcind of but 4 A. Probably since I've been six or seven years 5 my grandfather ha. in him on my mother's side. 5 old. 6 Q. Okay. How is your relationship with your 6 . . And how is your relationship with 7 mother? 7 Am I pronouncing that right? 8 A. Very good. 8 A. Yes Very good. 9 Q. Has it always been that way or has it Q. What's he do for a living? 10 sometbnes been better than others? 10 A. He — actually, he has two jobs. Well, 1/. A. It's definitely been better than others. 11 actually, I think right now he might have three. He 12 Q. But currently good? 12 13 A. Correct 13 ono many ents. 14 Q. Okay. 14 A. Yes. 3.5 A. Even through our ups and downs, we've always 15 Q. Now, the half brother you have, is that 16 maintained a pretty good relationship. I've always 16 through your father or through your mother? 17 confided inhet 17 A. Yes, through my father. 18 Q. Okay. And your father, you said you don't 18 Q. Okay. And did you ever have a stepmother or 19 20 23. have any relationship with him now -- A. Right. Q. -- but you did know him? 19 20 21 anything of that nature? A. Not for very long. Just maybe when I went over there. Her name i bs summers I'm not 22 A. No, not really. When I was younger, I would 22 sure of her last name now. 23 go to his house for summer, and the school year I would 23 Q. Fair. Fair enough. 24 be with my mother, but other than that, I — I don't 24 A. Uh-huh. 25 have any relationship with him. 25 Q. Okay. Any stepbrothers or sisters? Page 11 Page 13 1 Q. How old were you when your -- actually, were 1 A. Yeah.ad two kids 2 your parents ever married? 2 3 A. Yes. 3 Q. Any relationship with them? 4 Q. Okay. How old were you when they divorced or 4 A. I have — I sometimes, over the computer, have 5 separated? 5 talked to — maybe two years ago, I went and seen 6 A. I'd say probably two to three. I don't even 6 and her family. I talk to them on the computer every 7 remember any of that, though, so it's hard to really 7 now and then. say. 8 Q. Okay. So — 9 Q. Okay. So your earliest memories was just with 9 A. And they're located i 10 mom; dad was already out of the picture? 10 I don't know where he's located at, y, 1/. A. Pretty much, yes. 11 but I knoa and her family are in MI 12 Q. And, you know, if I say something or 12 where I was 13 paraphrase and it's not right, please correct me. 13 Q. Okay. Again, I don't want to put words in 14 A. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I do have some 14 your mouth: Cordial relationship, amicable, just kind 15 memories with my father when I was younger but I mean, 15 of there? 16 not very many; do you know what I mean? 16 A. Yeah, just on and off, acquaintance, good 17 Q. Okay. 17 acquaintance, I guess. 18 A. So... 18 Q. Does Mr. -- I apologize -- 19 Q. Were there ever any stepfathers or — 19 A. 20 A. Yes. 20 Q. you. _yeah, does he have any 21 Q. — live-in boyfriends? 21 children? 22 A. Yes. 22 A. No, no. 23 23 Q. Okay. Kind of the extended family, has them 24 Q. 24 been any issues with mental illness, depression, 25 Okay. And is your mother still with him, 25 schizophrenia, bipolar or anxiety? a.4.1.1..e..il.....rat....00.0.4.0006 ,74.4......1. 4 (Pages 10 to 13) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Eiceluti(6011=1) 3t8786de-3693.4b91-b50e-98638a10a746 EFTA00723634 Page 14 Page 16 1 A. With? 1 that they've really diagnosed him with that, but I don't 2 Q. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins. 2 see why they haven't. 3 A. 3 4 Q. Pm sorry, your grandffither? 5 6 A. Yes, my mother's dad. 6 7 7 Q. Which 8 A. 1think it was 8 Q. Do you know what he's bee i t m with? 10 A N0,1 do not 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 14 know, but other than that, I know that my grandmother, 14 15 my mom's mom, and she's going to be 80, she's a go -- 15 16 she's a, you know, she's a go-getter, she doesn't seem 16 17 ill at all. She doesn't even seem 80; she seems 17 Q. Okay. I think that's one of those things 18 probably 60. 18 that's okay to give a ballpark on. 19 My father's dad, and his name isas 19 A. Right. 20 well, my grandfather, he seems okay. I do talk to some 20 Q. Okay. Any problems with substance use in the 21 of my dad's — like my aunts and cousins end stufflike 21 family? 22 that on my dad's side. 22 A. Yes. 23 And Pm sorry, you did ask me if I had cousins 23 Q. Okay. Who's had issues with substances? 24 and stufflike that, didn't you? 24 25 Q. !rimy ofthem had mental illness. 25 Page 15 1 A. Oh, okay. No, not to my knowledge. 1 2 Q. No, I mean, there could be hundreds. 2 3 A. Right. Yeah, I do, I have a whole bunch of 3 4 them. 4 Q. And I may ask you a little more later about 5 Q. We would take up eight hours just talking 5 yourself. 6 about each and every one of them. 6 A. Okay. 7 A. Exactly. 7 Q. But how about your family? 8 Q. Are there any that are significant in your 8 A. My mother, she is a recovering addict for life that you see on a monthly basis or is it kind of 9 going on three years now. 10 family get-togethers you see them? 10 Q. Okay. Good for her. 11 A. Well, they're in and my -- most of my 11 A. As well as my stepfather,IM 12 dad's family. The rest them are in -nd then 12 Q. What did mom use? 13 me and my mom and my brother and my stepfather,■ we 13 A. She was addicted to crack cocaine, both her 14 live here, but - and my 14 and my stepfather. 15 Q. Okay. Now, a lot of times terms get used, and 15 Q. Okay. And do you know roughly how long she 16 what they mean by kind of general population and what 16 used for? 17 they mean medically are a little different, so when you 17 A. Over 20 years. 18 18 Q. Okay. And this is -- you'retow, so she 19 19 started after you were born? 20 20 A. Honestly, I don't know. I don't know If she 21 21 was you know, was using and got pregnant with me and 22 22 stopped. I don't really know the whole scenario, but.. 23 23 Q. Do you know one way or the other if you may 24 111 r 24 have been exposed in the utero to cocaine? 25 A. But they haven't -- I honestly don't believe 25 A. I'm sorry? 5 (Pages 14 to 17) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIcelutl (801 818786dc-3693-4b91-b800.98831300e748 EFTA00723635 Page 18 Page 20 1 Q. Did she use while she was pregnant? situation was and took me in for quite a while. 2 A. She -- she's told me no, because I had asked 2 Q. Okay. Can I et the name of that person — 3 her. 3 A. Y 4 Q. Okay. All right. And was it just cocaine, or 4 ..kay. And how long did you stay with the 5 did she use anything else like alcohol or marijuana 5 6 6 A. For a while. Probably — probably three years 7 A. No, I believe just crack cocaine. 7 off and on, give or take. 8 Q. How did she get clean? 8 Q. Okay. Was DCF ever involved when you were 9 A. She had a well, she lost everything she had growing up? 10 multiple times and she just hit rock bottom. I guess 10 A. No. Weird enough, no. 11 she just was ready to change, ! suppose. Ever since, 11 Q. And how did your brother do with all of this? 12 she's held strong and hasn't gone back to that 12 Was he also kind of — 13 lifestyle. 13 A. Actually, my brother, before my mother really 14 Brief interruption in proceedings.) 14 got heavy into her addiction, I believe she was -- she 15 BY DR. HALL: 15 would always kind of maintain her house, like a 16 Q. I just had to stop there fora second due to 16 functioning addict. And so during that time, my brother 17 mechanical problems with the camera. 17 was there, but my brother kind of was going down the 18 So we were talking about mom and how she had a 18 wrong road. My mom seen that and he actually was sent 19 little bit ofa substance problem. 19 over to the West Coast with my wild side of the family, 20 A. Right. 20 my father's side, and he lived with my grandparents for 21 Q. How did that affect your relationship with 21 pretty much the whole time that my mom really was out 22 her? 22 and about doing her own thing, so... 23 A. Well, not only did it affect our relationship 23 Q. Okay. Was there ever episodes of violence 24 but it affected my whole lifestyle for when I was 24 between you and your mom related to her drug use? 25 younger. 25 Page 19 1 Q. Okay. In what way? 1 2 A. Homeless, and every way around. I mean, I 2 3 guess that's generally everything. You know, my 3 4 schooling. 4 5 Q. Okay. How long were you homeless for? 5 6 A. I mean, they always had, as in homeless, they 6 7 always had a place — they were always — had a place to 7 9 stay. They lived in efficiencies, hotels. They would 8 9 kind of jump from hotel to hotel or whatever, and I 9 Q. And roughly, what time was t. 10 could always go stay with them, but I never wanted to go 10 A. I believe I was 16. 11 stay with them because of them using, obviously. So I 11 Q. Okay. Do you remember the month or year or 12 don't think nobody wants to see that. 12 how do you kind ofkeep that straight in your head time 13 Q. Right. 13 wise? Any — 14 A. So between the age of, I would say, 13, 14, 14 A. I don't really remember the month or year. I 15 around about — 15 would maybe say — ! honestly — ! couldn't even tell 16 Q. Okay. 16 you. I couldn't even tell you. 11 A. -- until she got clean three years ago, I was 17 Q. Okay. 18 kind of — I was I mean, after I turned.I — 18 19 well, before I was even= I made my own way, started 19 20 so I could, you know, make money to provide for my own 20 Q. Okay. Yeah, I can check if I need to. I was 21 self. But before that, you know, I was — stay at a 21 just -- sometimes people have certain events in their 22 friends house, jump from friend's to friend's house. 22 lives that they remember things about — 23 And a lot of the parents knew. You know, it wasn't a 23 A. Right. 24 secret that — what my situation was, so, you know, one 24 Q. -- you know, their 16th birthday — 25 friend in particular, her father really knew what the 25 A. Definitely. Definitely. 6 (Pages 18 to 21) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricclutl 3f8785dc-3693-4b91-b60e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723636 Page 22 Page 24 1 Q. — fast car, somebody they were dating — 1 Q. Did they ever shoot it or snort it? 2 A. Right. 2 A. I have no idea. 3 Q. — and they can kind of put things together 3 Q. You never witnessed them doing it in front of 4 that way. 4 you? 5 A. Put it together. 5 A. Right. 6 Q. So I was wondering if you had any time stamps 6 Q. Okay. I trained up in the Baltimore area. and 7 in your life for what you used to — 7 I saw a lot of very heavy cocaine use. 8 A. Honestly, I — now that I think about it, I 8 A. Oh, okay. 9 think I was a little younger than age 16 when that all 9 Q. Fonts up there usually would either go by 10 occurred. 10 munber ofrocks they were using or dollar amount. 11 Q. NI put a question mark next to it. 11 A. Oh. 12 A. Right, but no. 1 mean, I know I was — I was 12 Q. Just like kind of an idea down in 13 probably — I think I was probably starting to be a 13 S how much would a rock of cocaine go for' 14 Freshman 14 A. I'm — I don't really know. I would guess 20 15 Q. Okay. 15 bucks, 25 bucks, !think. 16 A. I was supposed to be going to school. I think 16 Q. Okay. Would that be a big rock you could 17 it was in the summer time, but I could be wrong. 17 break up into multiples, or... 18 Q. Fair enough. 18 A. I have no idea. 19 And that would have been about seven years ago 19 Q. No idea? 20 now or eight years ago? 20 A. I have no idea. 21 A. Well, 1' 21 Q. Okay. We used to talk about $5 and $10 hits 22 So, yeah, about 22 all the time in Baltimore. 23 seven or eight years ago. 23 A. Okay. 24 Q. How did you get along with your stepfather? I 24 Q. 'Just want to make sure my -- 25 apologize if I've already asked that. You said 25 A Right. I mean, they could have that down Page 23 Pug( 1 generally a good relationship? 1 here, too. Pm not really, really sure. 2 A. Yeah, generally good. 2 Q. They had the eight balls, which were the big 3 Q. Okay. Ever get into fights with him or have 3 ones but again, you were supposed to break that up or do 4 any trouble — 4 whatever. S A. I mean, arguments over obviously the crazy 5 A. No. lifestyle they were living and everything else. So 6 Q. Okay. Any issues with alcohol or... 7 arguments, but there was always unconditional love. I 7 A. No. 8 could always — if there was anything ever wrong, you 8 Q. How did they get money to support their habit? 9 know, sometimes they would be kind of missing in action. 9 A. Like I said, my mom was always kind oflike an 10 but for the most pan, I did 'mow where they were. If 10 active addict, so she always carried a job, and for the 11 they were in hotel rooms, we did keep contact. If there 11 most pert my stepfather did, too. 12 was anything ever wrong — they were using, it sounds 12 Q. Okay. So there was no stealing or — 13 crazy, but they did give me unconditional love, like, 13 A. No. My mother was always a wait — 14 you know... 14 Q. -- trading sex for favors? 15 Q. Okay. All right. It's good to know that you 15 A. No. My mother was always a waitress at -- 16 felt that they were at least there. 16 like at the worked fora very long time. 17 A. Definitely. They might not have been there, 17 various restaurants. She always stayed at 18 you know, drug-wise. I know that they were using and 18 each restaurant for a year, you know. Always long term 19. everything else, but my mother -- 19 for the most part 20 Q. Do you know roughly how much they were using a 20 And my ste.pfa ever since I could 21 day? 21 remember, he di til just recently when he 22 A. No, I have no idea. 22 star But he's been in 23 Q. Okay. And it was crack so they were smoking 23 the usiness for a really long time. 24 it? 24 Q. Okay. I'm just going to... 25 A. Yes. 25 And I know we talked about this a little bit, 7 (Pages 22 to 25) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Fticclutl (4101==) 3f6766dc-3693.4b9f-b50o-98638af0a746 EFTA00723637 Page 26 Page 28 1 so pardon me if there is a little overlap, but in 1 were younger, I never remember us getting really 2 general, how would you describe your childhood? 2 physical with one another. 3 A. It could have been better, I suppose, 1would 3 Q. Okay. What type of activities or clubs did 4 say. 4 you belong to? 5 Q. Okay. 5 A. Wheal was in middle school — I was always a 6 A. And more -- more of my teenage years, I guess 6 straight A student from elementary to middle before, and 7 I would say. As my childhood, I always remember happy 7 then I dropped out. 1was always honor roll, straight A 8 memories and stuff like that. Like, I don't remember 8 student, I was in a lot of activities, I was on the 9 ever being sad or neglected or hungry or anything like 9 track team, I was the first chair trumpet player. 10 that. It was more when I turned, you know, 13, when I 10 Q. Okay. 11 got into my teenage years. 11 A. I was the captain of the cheerleading squad, I 12 Q. Okay. So teenage years were definitely worse 12 was a mediator. 13 for you than -- 13 Q. Hold on one second. So captain of the 14 A. Definitely. 14 cheerleading squad, first trumpet? 15 Q. Okay. How were you disciplined as a child 15 A. First chair trumpet player. 16 growing up? 16 Q. And that was school band I guess, or marching 17 A. I mean, if I did something wrong, talked back, 17 band? 18 1got put in time-out. There was definitely sonic form 18 A. Yes. It wt this was all 19 of discipline. She would never let me do whatever I 19 at. 20 wanted to but, you }mow, when I turned 12 and or 13, she 20 Q. Okay. 21 was kind of wanting to do what she wanted to do, and she 21 A. Whe that one teacher got shot 22 did kind of get more lenient on me where I was able to 22 at, ifs the same. t ow if you probably heard 23 go out. Sometimes I would leave and not tell her where 23 of that, around two years ago. 24 I was going or, you know... 24 Q. No. 1didn't grow up in 25 Q. Okay. So it was never like physical 25 A. Okay. Page 27 Page . • 1 punishment like spankings or anything like that; it was 1 Q. Who igilMME 2 time-out and grounding? 2 A. Oh, it's a teacher that actually got shot and 3 A. Right, no. My mother has never put her hand 3 killed there. A lot of people know that school, that's 4 4 the only reason I brought it up. 5 5 Q. Did you know him? 6 Q. Okay. And any major physical confrontations 6 A. No,I didn't know the teacher. 7 with your brother or -- 7 Q. And you said a mediator? 8 A. Oh, me and him? 8 A. Mediator. 9 Q. Yes. 9 Q. Okay. Fm not familiar with that program. 10 A. Yes. When we were younger, before he got sent 10 A. You can get it as an elective, and it's when 11 over to the West Coast, we used to fight like cats and 11 counselors, the counselors of the school pick a 12 dogs. 12 selective two or three people or four people to have it 13 Q. And would that be kind of like — it's hard to 13 as an elective, and when me as a student knows that this 14 even say, because there's no such answer to normal 14 girl and this girl is having a problem, we would call 15 brother/sister at times, but normal brother and sister 15 them out of their class and put them in the counselor's 16 type of things? 16 office and kind of try to mediate their problem before a 17 A. Right. You know, I would use the phone and he 17 fight occurred or anything like that. 18 wants to use the phone and I'm on it first and it 18 Q. Okay. How many times did you, I guess, do 19 escalated. Just very simple stupid stuff we would argue 19 peer mediation? 20 . about. . 20 A. Multiple — a lot. I don't... 21 Q. Okay. And would it get physical or just — 21 Q. Ballpark it, 5, 10, 20? 22 A. I mean, a couple of times we did honestly get 22 A. I would say 5 to 10 times. 23 physical with one another but, you know, that was kind 23 Q. Were you ever threatened becimse you did this 24 of when I was 12, 13, before he was sent over to the 24 type of work or have any negative repercussions from it? 25 West Coast, when we were a little bit older. When we 25 A. No. 8 (Pages 26 to 29) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601 ) 318785dc-3693.4b9f-b50e-98638at0a748 EFTA00723638 Page 30 Page 32 1 When I was in middle school, I was generally 1 Q. Did you ever witness any domestic violence in 2 kind of like a popular kid, quote/unquote. I didn't 2 either your family or your friends? 3 really have any problems with really anybody. 3 A. No. As in relationship, mother and Mier 4 Q. I actually put the quote/unquote there. 4 fighting? 5 Okay. And outside ofschool, what would you 5 Q. Mother and father fighting. 6 lice to do? 6 A. Right, no. 7 A. !did all kinds ofstuff when I was, you 7 Q. Okay. Anything else about your childhood, 8 know — most the time I was after after school, I 8 through probably middle school and before, that I should 9 would be at school because I did do cheerleading and I 9 know or come to mind or I haven't directly asked about 10 did play the trumpet and I would do track and I did, you 10 that you think is important for me to understand? 11 know, a lot of stuff So generally, in school, after 11 A. That's pretty much it. I think we covered 12 school, it kept me busy, you know, so... 12 most everything. 13 Q. What did you rum when you ran track? 13 Q. Anybody important in your life that passed 14 A. I'm sorry? 14 away during that time? 15 Q. What type of track did you do, was it 15 A. No. 16 sprinting or long distance? 16 Q. Sometimes! - 17 A. It was long, like the mile runs. 17 A. Right. 18 Q. Do you have a faith? 18 Q. -- questions pop in mind. 19 A. I'm sorry? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Do you have a faith? Do you attend a church 20 Q. And no tratmias during that period of time? 21 or are you spiritual? 21 A. No. 22 A. Oh, yes. I'm a 22 Q. Or anything that you would consider - 23 Q. Did you attend church as a child growing up? 23 A. Right, as trauma, no. 24 A. No. 24 Q. Parting. that can be a very broad word. 25 Q. Do you attend now? 25 Okay. I apologize, you were telling me a Page 31 Page 33 1 A. Once in a while. My mom goes on Sundays and 1 little bit about your educational history. Let me get a 2 Wednesdays each week, so sometimes I go with her. 2 little more in depth there. 3 Q. And again, ballpark, is that like once a week 3 A. Okay. 4 type thing, once a month, four or five times a month? 4 Q. Have you ever been in any special education 5 A. I would say two to three times a month. 5 classes? 6 Q. Better than my friend who considers himself a 6 A. No. 7 Christmas candle/Easter lily. He shows up on two -- 7 Q. And you said you were a good student? 8 A. That's funny. 8 A. Yeah. I was definitely, like, the top ofmy 9 Q. Actually, I think ifs his pastor who 9 class from elementary to middle. I always had As and 10 considers him that and he keeps reminding people to come 10 Bs, sometimes a C 11 more often. 11 Q. Okay. But then primarily A, B? 12 As a child growing up, were you ever 12 A. Yeah. 13 physically or sexually abused? 13 Q. Okay. And then what happened when you went 14 A. Yes, I was. 14 from middle into high school? 15 Q. Could you tell me about that? 15 A. Well, a lot happened. When I was in middle 16 A. Ifs —1- only one time I was sexually 16 school, you know, they put me in all honor classes, so 17 abused, when I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. 17 when I went to high school, I was in all honors classes 18 Q. Okay. Before Jeffrey Epstein, were you ever 18 and it seemed to be just kind of too fast paced for me 19 sexually or physically abused? 19 and I kind oftried to talk to one of the teachers, my 20 A. No. 20 language arts teacher about it, and she just kind of 21 Q. Okay, and we'll get more into Epstein later. 21 said, you know, you can handle it, stick to it, but 22 A. Okay. 22 really it was just too fast for me and it ldnd ofmade 23 Q. I'm not ignoring that. I'm trying to group 23 me Si discouraged. 24 all of that at one time. 24 And around that period of time, you know, I 25 A. Right. 25 did not really have a stableylace, that I considered a 9 (Pages 30 to 33) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jean. (fleeing (601.M.) 3f676Selc-3693-4b91-b50,3-98638agia746 EFTA00723639 Page S. Page 36 1 stable place to live so I was kind of, you know, friend 1 and I got the GED test and I read it from front to back 2 to friend's house. And you know, around that time 2 twice, and they have a CD torn that it comes with as 3 period, I was introduced to Mr. Epstein and, you know, I 3 well, so I'm pretty — generally, I'm pretty good. I'm 4 would go to his house and he would obviously pay me for 4 not sometimes I have problems with spelling but 5 obvious things. I think we all know. 5 reading overall, I'm pretty good. 6 And once I started making money through him 6 Q. Okay. So you had some, but you think that may 7 and doing business with him, quctehniquote, I dropped 7 have been school rust for a lack of a better word? 8 out of school and it was kind of my way of living for a 8 A. Right, exactly. 9 while. 9 Q. Okay. You ever been diagnosed with dyslexia 10 Q. Okay. What would you have done if you hadn't 10 or a learning disability or anything like that? 11 met him? 1/. A. Na 12 A. That's a good question. Honestly — 12 Q. Okay. When you we younger, any problems 13 Q. It may not be one you can answer. 13 with fire setting, cruelty to animals, bedwetting? 14 A Right, because I don't know. 14 A. No. 15 Q. Would you have stayed in school or would you 15 Q. What type ofjobs have you had? 16 have gone elsewhere or gone over to the West Coast like 16 A. I've waitressed, I've — when I was younger, I 17 your brother did? 17 bussed tables, waitressed, hostess, everything in the 18 A. Possibly. Possibly. I don't know. I 18 restaurant business, bartender, I have danced. 19 couldn't answer that 19 Q. What do you mean by danced? 20 Q. Were you ever suspended or expelled from 20 A. Exotic dancer. 21 school? 21 Q. Okay. Where have you danced at? 22 A. Na 22 A. It wasEMIIMI 23 Q. Did you ever get into fights with authority 23 Q. Spelling is not one ofmy strong suits either, 24 figures, teachers or school officers, principals? 24 so how do you spell 25 A. No. 25 A. I think ha honestly, I'm not really Page 25 Page 37 1 Q. Did you ever repeat any yews? 1. sure It was called before it 2 A. No. 2 got shut down, but ifs gone out of business. I worked 3 Q. Ninth grade is the last grade you were in or 3 there. I worked a completed? il i two places 5 A. No. Eighth grade was the last grade I 5 6 completed. 6 A. No. I've worked at — do you want me to name Q. Have you tried to get back to school or get a 7 them all? 8 GliilY7 8 Q. Yes. 9 A. Yes. 9 A. Okay. I'm trying to think of - 10 Q. When was that? 10 Sin told you about, I worked 11 A. Actually, I'm waiting to take the test. It 11 an 12 should be sent to my house either today or tomorrow, 12 Q. That's two different ones? 13 so... and ifs a correspondence school that I'm going 13 A. Yeah. 14 through, a Christian correspondence school. 14 Q. Okay. 15 Q. Okay. How long have you been doing that for? 15 A. And right here ini there was off of 16 A. For the past month I've been studying for it 16 there was a club. I kind of forgot the 17 Q. Okay. How do you feel your chances are? 17 narr a i Than ' when I first danced when I was -- I 18 A. No, I'm ready to take the test 18 was even way too young, but they never checked my ID, so 19 Q. You're ready to take it? 19 I was able to. It was, I think, ta The 20 A. Yes. 20 somethin I've worked at- 21. Q. Good. 21 n I've worked at a lot of the clubs. 22 Any problems with reading or math or — 22 Q. Okay. 23 A Yeah, I do have a little bit ofdifficulties. 23 A. And a lot of them were just fora day, do you 24 A lot of this stuffI just kind of forgot about, just 24 what I mean? I went there to check it out so I don't 25 basic stuff. But now that I went to Barnes & Noble's 25 know if you want me to list all of those because a lot 10 (Pages 34 to 37) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Riccluti (601) 3f6765dc-3693-4b91-13500-98638alga746 EFTA00723640 Page 38 Page 40 1 of the other ones I just worked at — generally, those 1 Q. Okay. Have you ever had any problems with a 2 are the ones that I worked at. 2 patron being too fresh or out of control? 3 Q. Again, I don't know much about how that 3 A. What, like a customer? 4 business works. So I mean how would you get a job at 4 Q. Customer. 5 one of those places? 5 A. Yes, I have had problems with that. 6 A. You just go in and you ask them if you — that 6 Q. And how do you deal with that or — 7 you want a job dancing. And most of the times I asked 7 A. There are bouncers. It's always -- nothing 8 ifI could work that day, and a lot of the times they 8 has ever gotten out of control where, you know -- if I 9 would say, okay, if you want to go in the back and get 9 ever had a problem with the customer, I just go up to 10 dressed. And they audition you on the stage just, you 10 the closest floor guy, bouncer that there is. Normally, 11 know, make sure that you're not all crazy looking, I 11 they handle it. 12 suppose, and either they hire you or they don't. 12 Q. When I've talked with some people who've done 13 Q. Okay. And do you basically work for tips or 13 this type of work, and usually they were more at one 14 do they pay you or — 14 place — 15 A. No. 15 A. Right. 16 Q. Do you pay for your stage time? 16 Q. -- they said that they would have a very close 17 A. No, it's all tips and then we pay. And then 17 relationship with the bouncers. 18 you have to pay them obviously to work there, like 18 A. Right. 19 house. And if we do the dances, $25, you have to 19 Q. Did you have anybody in particular or any of 20 give — the house gets 5, you know. But on stage, you 20 the bouncers that you felt were very protective of you? 21 gm to keep all your tips. 21 A. Yeah, defmitely. I -- when I worked at 22 Q. Okay. And how much did you make a day 22 e bouncer,=and also 23 dancing? 23 another bouncer I was very close with them. 24 A. It varies. You can — nowadays, you can't -- 24 Q. Okay. And usually folks describe them almost 25 I can't make very much money, but in the past I've made 25 like a brother/sister type of relationship. Page 39 Page 4: 1 anywhere from $100 to 1,000. 1mean, it really varies. 1 A. Yeah, definitely. 2 Q. Okay. Are you still dancing currently? 2 Q. Has there ever been a bouncer that you dated? 3 A. Once in a while. The last time I danced was 3 A. No. 4 two weeks ago. 4 Q. What's kind of the worst thing that's happened 5 Q. Okay. Where was that at? 5 at one of these clubs? 6 A. AtIIII=Ip And before — I mean, 6 A. As in? 7 I really haven mean, core that, before two 7 Q. Well, you said there were times when you would a weeks ago, I hadn't danced in like two months, so... 8 have to go get a bouncer. 9 Q. Okay. Was there any place where you were Idnd 9' A. Just like, you know, you're giving a dance to 10 oflike a regular that you were working out for like a 10 a guy, and they're not supposed to touch you, they're 11 month or a year or — 11 supposed to keep their hands by their side. They try 12 A. Yeah, that was atIMIII the 12 touching you. You know, I by to be nice about it and 13 14 15 lipp e. the same club. I worke ere forayer)! Q. Okay. Were you ever fired from a club or — 13 14 15 say, I'm sorry, but you can't touch me as I'm dancing, and they'll try to get a cheap shot in, you know, grab your private parts or whatever if they get the chance 16 A. No. There was clubs that I walked out of, 16 to. And basically anytime that's happened, I stopped 17 17 what I'm doing, go get a bouncer and make them give me 18 Q. Which ones were those? 18 the money for, you know and either give me the money. 19 A. I've walked out of before, the last 19 Sometimes they give me the money and then they kick them 20 time I worked them. 20 out or, you know, or that's the tidiest extent ofIt, 21 Q. Okay. Why would you walk out? 21 really. I've never had anything outlandish, crazy, you 22 A. I just felt like it was a number — there was 22 know. 23 so many girls, there wasn't — it was just kind ofa 23 Q. So nobody has ever dumped you offor slapped 24 waste ofmy time. I wasn't making any money, I was 24 you or -- 25 frustrated. 25 A. No. 11 (Pages 38 to 41) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Ricelutt (801 3f8788dc-3693.4b9f-bsoe-98638af0a748 EFTA00723641 Page 42 Page 44 1 Q. But somebody would try to grab you? Did they 1 Q. Okay. What other types ofjobs have you had 2 ever try to insert a finger in your vagina or anything 2 besides, I guess, the exotic dancing, you said? 3 like that? .3 A. Right. 4 A. Right, that has happened. 1mean, they've 4 Q. I know you said waitressing, but where else 5 tried but never succeeded, but anytime that's ever 5 have you worked? 6 happened, I've always stopped what I'm doing and walked 6 A. I worked at a bagel shop not too long ago. I 7 away and get the bouncer and let them handle it. 7 was a waitress there for about a . I o ed up my 8 Q. Okay. Have you ever been propositioned while 8 own business. It's called I cleaned 9 you were working at one of these clubs? 9 houses. 10 A. As in? 10 Q. Okay. 11 Q. As in doing something extra after hours or 11 A. rve bartended. 12 prostitution or - 12 Q. Do you know the name of the bagel shop? Was 13 A. Right, no. 13 it Rice Einstein Brothers — 14 Q. — sexual favors, or... 14 A. No, it was called was actually 15 A. No. 15 the name ofit. 16 Q. It sounds like we're getting a little bit of a 16 Q. Truth in advertising. 17 tropical depression. 17 A. Yes. 18 19 20 Anything else, any work that you did that you think I should know or that would be helpful for me to understand? 18 19 20 Q. A. The owow ong Okay. do that for? I did that for about a 21 A. I guess that's about it. I think we covered 21 year, &little over a year. 22 pretty much the basics. 22 Q. Now, was that like a franchise thing or was 23 Q. Okay. Now, I understand that a lot of times 23 that your own business? 24 there could be a lot of drugs and stuff in those clubs. 24 A. No, that was just my own business. 25 A. Definitely. 25 Q. And how many clients did you have? Page 43 Page 45 1 Q. Have people come up and offered you drugs 1 A. I would have, at the end, I had probably 30. 2 while you've been working? 2 Q. That's a good number. 3 A. Yeah, definitely. 3 A. Yeah. A lot of them came fro 4 Q. Have you over used while working? 4 which that was right S A. Yes. 5 people. So a la of the times it was a mixture of 6 Q What would they offer you and what have you 6 cleaning their house, going grocery shopping for them, 7 used? 7 you know what I mean, kind ofhelping them out, their 8 A. Eve used in the past. I was addicted to 8 laundry, you know. 9 pills. 9 Q. Why did you give that up? 10 Q. Okay. Prescription medicines — 10 A. I actually moved farther down south. 1 11 A. Right. 11 actually got out of a relationship I was with and — 12 Q. — not like heroin or cocaine? 12 with my ex, so l kind of just left this area. 13 A. No, nothing ever like that, never. 13 Q. Okay. So that's the reason you shut down? 14 Q. Okay. And how old were you when you started 14 A. Yeah. That happened about a year ago. I quit 15 doing that type of work? 15 all that a 16 A. I was 16. 16 Q. Sr housecleaning, bartending. 17 Q. And how much would you do when you were 16 -- 17 Where did you attend bar at? 18 A. Actually, I was 15 when my — the first club I 18 A. Right now I'm actually still tending bar. 19 ever worked at was tha 19 It's call to and ifs in And 20 that I was telling you abou , a on ru y 20 right now, it's not -- you know, l don't have a set 21 remember. I was 15. 21 schedule. It's more of the, you know, whenever somebody 22 Q. And were you working like one night a week or 22 calls out or can't really make it, I'm staying right 23 was this like a weekend — 23 there — literally right behind the so... 24 A. No. I was working as much as I could because 24 Q. If they need someone, it's -- 25 at that time, I needed the money. 25 A. Right, its more of a call-in, yeah, at the —====i=issisa=tocemeset irte=====sserscerarisssezinst 12 (Pages 42 to 45) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Mesta (601a 316766dc-3693-4b9f-b60048638af0a746 EFTA00723642 Page 46 Page 48 1 1 Q. When did the first one start? 2 Q. Any other jobs a anything else you've done 2 A. The first one started — trying to go 3 for work? 3 backwards here. Probably when I was like 15. 4 A. 1 mean, like I said, bartended, cocktail 4 Q. Okay. How long did that last for? 5 waitressed, I've cleaned houses, I have...oh, I did 5 A. Not very long. Probably like a month or so. telemarketing for a while. I was still 6 We just kind of dated. 7 Q. What's the longest job you've 7 Q. Okay. 8 A. I would say probably -- other than dancing? 8 A. He was like my first boyfriend. Q. Sure. 9 Q. Can I,S01 you remember? 10 A. I would say when I worked at 10 A. Yeah (phonetic). 11 and I had my own business. 11 Q. Okay. And youdated him for a month? 12 Q. Okay. And when you were dancing, what's the 12 A. Give or take. Maybe longer, maybe a month, 13 longest you stayed at any one club or — 13 two months. 14 A. I stayed aintil from — 14 Q. Okay. Next one? 15 round about from 16 to 20. 15 A. I'm trying — I was with 16 Q. So for about four years then? 16 (phonetic). 17 A. Uh-huh. 17 Q. Could ou II that? 18 Q. Okay. And Ilmow you said in the beginning it 18 A. I think it's but l could 19 was kind of like an every-night type of thing. On 19 be wrong. 20 average, how many nights would you go in? 20 Q. You'll get a question mark next to it. 21 A. Actually, longer than — I mean, for probably 21 A. Okay. 22 two years, or even three years, I would try to go almost 22 Q. How long did you dataror? 23 every night I would say about three nights on average 23 A. I dated him for over a year. 24 a week. 24 Q. Okay. All right. And the one after that? 25 Q. Okay. Were you ever in the military? 25 A. I dated — his name is and I dated him Page 4"' Page 49 1 A. No, no. 1 for about six months or so. 2 Q. Did you ever take the ASVABs or anything like 2 Q. aC inDo you know 'ast name? 3 that in school? 3 A. 4 A. No. 4 Q. TM! 5 Q. Ever date anyone in the military'? 5 A. And then I was — I'm trying... 6 A. No. 6 Q S° I Sot IMINIMIM 7 Q. Okay. Pm just going to talk a little bit 7 A. And I dal 8 about your relationship history some. 8 Q. 9 A. Okay. 9 A. 10 Q. What age did you start dating? 10 Q. 11 A. I started dating when I was probably like — 11 A. and I was with him fora while, 12 probably around 14, 14,15. 12 actually. We always liked each other, but I was with 13 Q. Okay. And what type of dates would those be? 13, him for over two years. 14 A. Just, you know, kind of more like crushes, 14 Q. Okay. 15 going to the movies, you know, just kind of hanging out, 15 A. But we had kind of through, you know, that 16 nothing... 16 whole timeline, we always talked and always liked each 17 Q. Okay. How many significant relationships have 17 other, but we never did anything with one another. 18 you had? 18 Q. So you knew him for at least — 19 A. As in sexual relationships, or — 19 A. Yeah, 1 knew him when I was - 20 Q. No, just significant. 20 Q. —12 or 13 — 21 A. Like long-term dating 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Long-term dating. 22 Q. —or are we talking —is that earlier? 23 A. — you would say? I would say — I'm trying 23 A. No. I blew him when I was probably 12 or 13 24 to do -- probably — one, two, three like four or 24 years old. 25 five. Four or five. 25 Q. Okay. n (Pages 46 to 49) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Riccluti (601a 3f6785dc-3693-4b9f-b50o-98638af0a746 EFTA00723643 Page 50 Page 52 1 A. And I just — we just broke up last — it's 1 A. Yeah. 2 been a year now that we haven't been together. 2 Q. And then 3 Q. All right. Have you been dating since then, 3 A. Yeah. I still have an ongoing relationship 4 or -- 4 with him right now. 5 A. Yeah. I m bo iend 5 Q. Where did you guys meet? 6 Q. I'm sorry, 6 A. We actually met I met him through a good 7 A. 7 friend ofmine, probably in '05, in '05, and we 8 Q ()kW. 8 were friends. 9 A. And I've been dating him for a little under a 9 Q. Okay. I apologize. 'just realized there was 10 year. 10 a question I forgot to ask you about work Did you ever 11 Q. Okay. Just kind of going through, why did 11 receive any awards at any of the places you worked? 12 things break up with 12 A. No. 13 A. We were I was just young and so was he. 13 Q. Okay. And school, did you receive any awards? 14 Q. Okay. But I mean, did anything happen or did 14 A. Yes. 15 you just say, yeah, it's — 15 Q. Okay. Which ones did you get in school? 16 A. Yeah, we just really weren't into each other. 16 A. Student of the year, most improved student of 17 I guess we thought we hied each other, and... 17 the year for band, cheerleading awards. I mean, 18 Q. Okay. How about 18 trophies -- I have all kind of trophies, but... 19 A. had a drug addiction problem, and he went 19 Q. Okay. Ever receive any disciplinary actions 20 to rehab for it. And when he went to rehab for it, 20 or reprimands from school? 21 we — me and his mother drove to Louisiana and dropped 21. A. No. 22 him off at the rehab, and it was best that we didn't 22 Q. How about at work, any disciplinary? 23 have a relationship at that time so he could better 23 A. No. 24 himself. 24 And I don't know if this is important, but 25 Q. Okay. What was he using? 25 he's deceased. Page 51 Page 53 1 A. I believe it was cocaine. He was really Q. When did that happen? 2 sneaky, so honestly I don't — I don't know -- 2 A. That happened this year. 3 Q. Question mark 3 Q. Do you know what happened? 4 A. - what he was doing, right. 4 A. It happened in March. He committed suicide. 5 Q. 5 Q. Were you in contact with him at the time? 6 A. Me and him, I've known him from when I was 6 A. No. I wasn't — I mean, no, I wasn't in 7 very young, like, probably eight, nine growing up in an 7 contact with him. I've always stayed in very good old neighborhood that I used to live in. So me and him 8 contact with his family to this day, but... were really good Mends and tried to do the whole Q. Okay. 10 dating thing, but it wasn't really working out so we 10 A. We always remained good friends after he got 11 kind of, you know, just went back to being friends, you 11 out ofrehab and so we always kept in touch. 12 know. We didn't want to mess that up. 12 Q. Okay. Did you find him or somebody else found 13 Q. Okay. MI 13 him? 14 A. 14 A. 15 Q. sorry. 15 16 A. s okay. We were very much in love with 16 17 each other, and I still love him to this day and I'm 17 18 sure he still loves me to this day, and things just 18 19 didn't work out, I suppose you could say. I just felt 19 20 like there -- we weren't spending enough time with one 20 21 another, like I wasn't being appreciated. I felt like I 21 22 was kind of doing a wife figure to him and it wasn't 22 23 equal. 23 24 Q. Okay. Is it okay if I put in quotes, wife 24 25 .- figure? 25 SOW 14 (Pages 50 to 53) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana RIcclutt (601MM) 316766dc-3693-4b91-b60a-98638af0a746 EFTA00723644 Page 54 Page 56 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 . y. ow you e news w en you 5 e found out? 6 7 A. I did not take it good. 7 8 Q. I apologize, I think you mentioned this. You 8 9 said this O 9 10 A. 10 11 Q. 11 12 A. 12 13 Q. Forgive me. I see a lot of different people 13 14 for a lot of different reasons, so sometimes when they 14 15 say they didn't take it well, it meant they got 15 16 hospitalized or — 16 17 A. No. I mean, I wasn't hospitalized or anything 17 18 like that. 18 like I said, I was always very good friends with all of 19 19 his family, his sister, his mother; me and his mother 20 Q. Okay. With your permission, rii ask you more 20 were very good friends. I was going to classes and 21 about that later on. 21 meetings with her and, you know, we just kind of all 22 A. Yeah, that's fine. If you need to talk about 22 23 it right now, I'm fine to talk about it right now to get 23 24 it over with. 24 25 Q. Okay, Well, let's go ahead then. How long 25 Page 55 1 did it last? 1 2 A. What? 2 3 Q• 3 A. Probably for like two months. 4 5 Q. Again, that's one of those words that a lot of 5 people use but they may mean different things by it.■ 6 7 8 Q. Is this the first time you've lost somebody 9 9 that was in your life? 10 10 11 11 12 12 well, I guess I suppose 13 13 at the end of the year, Pm not — I don't real 14 14 remember right now, but my good frien 15 15 (phonetic) had passed away, and she was= 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 Q. And again ballpark, go ahead, I think you were 25 25 going to -- 15 (Pages 54 to 57) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601a 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f•b50o-98638at0a746 EFTA00723645 Page 58 Page 60 1 sexual experience? 2 2 A. I was — when I wanted to have my first sexual 3 3 experience, P11 put it that way, I was — when I lost 4 4 my virginity, I was 15. 5 Q. And if I may ask, who was that with? 6 6 A. That was with a kid named 7 7 Q. Do you know his last name. M 8 8 A. . ^ere you war ng m sorry. ere you 9 Q. Was that a good experience, a bad experience? 10 working at that time, or... 10 A. I don't know how the first time is with 11 A. Oh, no. 11 everybody, but it was definitely an uncomfortable 12 Q. How were you supporting yourself? 12 experience. 13 A. I was — been witt and 13 Q. Okay. What made it uncomfortable or awkward 14 he was taking care of me. 14 or unpleasant or -- 15 Q. Okay. Has there ever been any episodes of 15 A. I guess it was unpleasant because it was 16 domestic violence in any of your dating relationships? 16 painful, I guess, without detail. 17 A. No. 17 Q. Okay. Have you ever had any other issues with 18 Q. Have there ever been any issues of infidelity 18 pain when you've had intercourse, or... 19 in any of your relationships? 19 A. No. 20 A. What do you mean? 20 Q. And again, without getting into graphic 21 Q. People cheating on you or you cheating on 21 detail, why do you think the first time was painful for 22 someone else. 22 you? 23 A. No. 23 A. Just because I was a virgin and I've never 24 Q. I think 1 used the right word, infidelity. 24 had — never IS anything in there, I guess. 25 And again, if I ever ask anything that you're 25 Q. I'm going to try to use medical terms. Page 59 Page 61 1 not sure about, please feel free to ask. Right. A. Definitely. 2 Q. If I use something, please feel free, but Q. And I know we talked about the sexual abuse 3 usually when people are -- virginally have their hymen when you were a child. Kind of separate as more of 4 intact, some people say perforated, and that can be 5 teenage, adult, ever any issues of being raped or date 5 uncomfortable. raped or anything along those lines? 6 A. Right 7 A. No. 7 Q So I'm assuming that's what you're describing. Q. When I asked about significant relationships, 8 A. That's what I'm trying to say, yes. 9 you initially brought up number of sexual partners and 9 Q. But no other issues with what they would call 10 things like that. How many sexual partners have you 10 dyspareunia or pain or insertion or over-sensitivity 11 had? II or -- 12 A. I know -- one, two — I would say I've had 12 A. No. 1.3 sexual relationships with about 12 people. 13 Q. — anything being too tight? 14 (Cell e interruption.) 14 A. No. 15 MS I'm sorry, I thought I turned that 15 Q. Ever had an STD or any problems? 16 off. I apo 16 A. No. 17 BY DR. HALL: 17 Q. Do you practice safe sex? 18 Q. Not a problem. 18 A. Yes. 19 Do you prefer men, women or both? 19 Q. And how many partners have you had in one 20 A. Men. 20 year? 21 Q. I think in medical school they actually stress 21 A. Just the one. 22 that we ask it that way. It always seemed a little odd 22 Q. One per year? 23 to me, but.. 23 A. Well... 24 A. Okay. 24 Q. And forgive me, I'm trying to do the math, 25 Q. How old were you when you had your first 25 because if;you started at 15 to 22, that's roughly seven cater 16 (Pages 58 to 61) PROSE COURT REPORTING.AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Moduli (601 ) 3f6765dc-3693-4b91-b50e-98638afga748 EFTA00723646 Page 62 Page 64 1 years. 1 three a four times a week. 2 A. Yeah. So then there's probably been maybe two 2 Q. I'm just trying to think of the best way to 3 in one year, Pm not really sure. But any time I've 3 phrase this: When you axe intimate, how long would that 4 ever been with anybody, Pve always been with that 4 last? 5 person. 5 A. An hour. 6 Q. Okay. So it's always been monogamous 6 Q. Okay. And how old a 7 relationships? 7 A. IN 8 A. -Right, definitely. 8 Q. And when you were dating=how old was 9 Q. And you may have had more than one 9 he? 10 relationship in a year, but — 10 A. Probably.- 11 A. Right. 11 Q. And 12 Q. Okay. Ever have any one night stands or 12 A. He — he was born ins, so - he wa: 13 casual sex, or... 13 little older than me. 14 A. No. 14 Q. Okay. And you were born hall? 15 Q. Have you ever engaged in prostitution or 15 A. ■ 16 exchanging sex for drugs or housing or anything along 16 Q. So about five years? 17 those lines? 17 A. Right, five years difference. 18 A. No. 18 Q. 19 Q. No? You smiled a little bit when I asked 19 A. He was born Innis well. Same age 20 that. 20 difference. 21 A. No. 'just think — I just — no, I just... 21 Q Ana 22 Q. Has anybody ever asked you to engage in a 22 A. right now. 23 sexual act that you weren't comfortable with? 23 Q. Okay. So about three years? 24 A. Yes. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Okay. Is that Epstein or was that others as 25 Q. I'll put an approximate sign there. Page 63 Page 65 1. well? 1 A. Uh-huh. 2 A. No, that's just Epstein. 2 Q. Okay. Do you use any marital aids when you're 3 Q. Just Epstein? 3 with people? 4 A. Yes. 4 A. What do you mean/ 5 Q. Okay. Do you have any particular interests 5 Q. Vibrators, sex toys? 6 when it comes to sexual intercourse? 6 A. No. I mean, 1 have in the past, but.. 7 A. What do you mean by that? 7 Q. Okay. You don't use them in the current 8 Q. Some people like role playa Wm S & M or 8 relationship? 9 have a foot fetish or — is there anything out of the 9 A. Right. 10 usual you like to do or you would consider special, 10 Q. Would you like to use than In your current 11 unique, anything you've suggested to people that they 11 relationship? 12 were like, well, that's odd or I think you're — 12 A. No. 13 A. Right. No, I'm pretty — 1.3 Q. Are you satisfied with the level of intimacy 14 Q. --pretty- 14 in your current relationship? 15 A. I'm pretty normal. 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Have you tried anal sex? 16 Q. This may be an odd question, I know nobody has 17 A. No. 17 a crystal ball: How serious is the current 18 Q. Oral sex? 18 relationship? Do you think this might be the one, or is 19 A. Yes. 19 this we're going to wait and see, or... 20 Q. (living and receiving orPal giving or just 20 A. We're going to wait and see. We're just going 21 receiving? 21 to go on with the flow of things. Tt is a good 22 A. Both. 22 relationship. We've definitely had our moments, you 23 Q. And how frequently do you engage in sexual 23 know, fighting and everything else. 24 activity? 24 Q. Do you get along with his family? 25 A. Well, I'm — I do have 'boyfriend, so maybe 25 A. He doesn't have — his father, I believe is 17 (Pages 62 to 65) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signod by Juana Ricciutl (6011a 3f6766dc-3693-4b9f-b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723647 Page 66 Page 68 1 the only one down here, but yeah, I really get along 1 Q. Okay. Did any ofyour past boyfriends know 2 with him. I've only met him on a few occasions. 2 that you were working at places lik 3 Q. Are you living together currently or do you 3 A. Yes. I was — I've always been very onest. 4 have separate houses or — 4 Do you mind if I just make a phone call real 5 A. No. We -- I -- I mean, I do have —I live -- 5 quick? 6 I kind of go back and forth right now where I'm staying 6 Q. No. Why don't we go ahead and take a little 7 and I go to his house and I'll stay fora week, two 7 break. 8 weeks. 8 A. All right. 9 Q. Okay. So you have your own apartment but you 9 Q. We've been going fora while and so we 10 spend a lot of time with him? 10 probably need to change the tape, so now is probably a 11 A. Right. 11 good time as any. 12 Q. Okay. I'm assuming an apartment, you may rent 12 A. All right. Do you mind if I run downstairs 13 a house or — 13 and smoke a cigarette? 14 A. Right. 14 Q. That's fine by me. 15 Q. Do either of you have a roommate? 15 A. Okay, perfect. 16 A. Yes, 1live with re a 16 Q. Again, this is not an endurance test so if you 17 friend ofmine, and also her 17 need a break or something — 18 Q. a nickname, or is that her actual -- 18 A. I appreciate it. I'm just going to run 19 A. That's a nickname. Her name'Ml 19 downstairs and take a smoke break real quick. 20 (phonetic). Pm sorry, I'm just used to calling her 20 (A briefrecess was taken.) 21 that. 21 BY DR. HALL: 22 Q. No, that's all right. 22 Q. Okay. So we just spent time talking about 23 A. Right. 23 past relationships, boyfriends and things Ince that. We 24 Q. Have any of your past boyfriends ever been in 24 took about a tea-minute break, you went downstairs -- 25 any gangs? 25 A. Right. Page 67 Page 69 1 A. No. Q. — had a cigarette and came back up? 2 Q. Have you ever been in any gangs? 2 A. Right. 3 A. No. 3 Q. Okay. Any questions at this time or — 4 Q. Have any of your past boyfriends ever been the 4 A. No. S victim of a violent act that you're aware of? 5 Q. No? Okay. 6 A. No, not to my knowledge. 6 Talking also about living situations, and you 7 Q. Of course my next question is the living 7 also said that you told past relationships that you had 8 situation, so if you wouldn't mind just going back ova 8 worked as — as a dancer. 9 • that with me. So you're currently in an apartment — 9 A. Correct 10 A. Right. 10 Q. Did you tell any of your past relationships 11 Q. — down in= 11 about Jeffrey or Mr. Epstein? 12 A. 12 A. Yeah. is the one that passed away; he 13 Q. You have your own bedroom, I'm assuming? 13 'mew about it. 14 A. Yes. 14 I was also thinking downstairs, there was also 15 Q. And you're living with a friend? 15 another boyfriend I had for a short period of time. His 16 A. Yes. 16 name 17 Q. Where did you meet her at? 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. I met her thro a — 'actually — no,1 18 A. And it was kind of the same thing; we were 19 danced with her That's where I met 19 friends, tried the dating thing for a couple of weeks, 20 her at. 20 didn't work out. We in contact but he also knew 21 Q. And do you get along all right with her 21 about Jeffrey Epstein. knew about it. I believe 22 husband? 22 knew about it, but I mean we weren't 23 A. Yes, very 23 together; do you know what I mean? 24 • Q. And then down in 24 Q. Okay. Does your current boyfriend know about 25 A. No. He's in 25 it, or... 18 (Pages 66 to 69) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601 3f6765dc-3693.4b9f-b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723648 Page 70 Page 72 1 A. Yes, he does. That's what — I'm trying to -- 1 Okay. And then I know we talked about this 2 my phone is going off because he's wondering. I didn't 2 some earlier, but issues with homelessness, have you 3 know this was going to happen all today, so he was 3 ever been in a shelter? 4 5 6 wondering what was taking so long, so I went and used the phone. Q. So when you went downstairs, you called him 4 5 6 ...And A. No. I think you said you stayed with the or a while? 7 and spoke with him? 7 A. Correct. 8 A. Right, yes. 8 Q. And that was for a two to three-year period of 9 Q. I'm going to now — what does he do again? 9 time? 10 A. Who? 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 Q. 11 Q. And when was the last time you would say that 12 A. He does all sorts of stuff, 12 you were homeless or fit that category? 13 electrician, the side electrician work; he did roofing 13 A. I in the time frame when my parents were 14 for a while landscaping. 14 when we were struggling. So from, like, 14 to 16, when 15 Q. Okay. Have any of your past boyfriends ever 15 I was bouncing back and I was living at tla 16 had any criminal hi or activity? 16 house. That was... 17 A. Yeah, wi He's incarcerated 17 Q. Okay. And I think you said mom's been clean 18 right now, actually. 18 for three years? 19 Q. Okay. What's he in for? 19 A. Yes. 20 A. Honestly, I don't know. I'm not 100 patent 20 Q. So the last three years, you've also been 21 Q. Fair enough. 21 stable in terms of — 22 How long ago did you see him then? 22 A. Definitely, yes. 23 A. I actually just went and visited him in jail 23 Q. Okay. So we know at least three years stable? 24 not too long ago. Maybe two months ago, three months 24 A. Right. 25 ago. 25 Q. And was there a period of time before she got Page 71 Page 73 1 Q. And when — what time period did you guys 1 clean that you were stable in terms of housing? 2 date? 2 A. Yes. She got clean before for probably six 3 A. I was younger, obviously. I was IS, around 3 months when -- in like '05. Actually, probably -- yeah, 4 about, 16. 4 around six months she was -- so for maybe eight months. 5 Q. Okay. 5 And she had moved 6 A. Somewhere in there. 6 and she was a florist outl M.. an go e. —y. 1ist 1 I. M 7 Like I said, we only dated fora couple of 7 of got away from here, you know. 8 weeks. We were friends. 8 Q. Okay. Did you go with her unto= or 9 Q. Okay. So that was a while back? 9 did you stay here? 10 A. Yes. 10 A. No. I was living irk at that 11 Q. Okay. Any other boyfriends ever been in jail 11 time. 12 or incarcerated? 12 Q. Who were you living with then? 13 A. =had — went to jail before,M- 13 A. My friend, 14 has been in jail before. 14 Q. Any of the people you were living with or 15 Q. Do you know what Mwas in jail for? 15 friends you were staying with, did they also know 16 A. Honestly, I think it was for violation of 16 Mr. Epstein or... 17 probation. 17 A. No, they did not. They didn't know him. 18 Q. Okay. Do you know what he was on probation 18 Q. Okay. Your legal history, have you ever had 19 for? 19 any rat-ins with the law? 20 A. NO, I'm really - really not sure. That was 20 A. Yes. 21 before we got together. 21 Q. Okay. Can you tell me about those? 22 Q. Okay. Since you guys have been dating, 22 A. 23 though, he's not been incarcerated or... 23 24 A. No. 24 25 Q. No? Okay. 25 19 (Pages 70 to 73) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jenne Riccluti 03011 1) 818766dc-3693-4b91-b50e-98638af0a748 EFTA00723649 Page 74 Page 76 Q. Okay. How fast were you going with the 2 speeding tickets? 3 A. Not — nothing that's -- 4 Q. 5 miles over or 10 miles over or — A. Right. Like, rd say like 10. 6 Q. - 20 miles over? 7 7 A. rd say 10 to 15 miles over. 8 8 Q. Okay. I'll put an approximate sign. 9 9 A. Okay. 10 10 Q. It never reached the level of being called 11 11 reckless driving or careless driving? 12 12 A. No. 13 13 14 14 15 15 16 16 A. No. 17 17 Q. No. Have you been involved in any other 18 Q. Okay. How old were you when that happened? 18 lawsuits? 19 A. Like, 19, 20. 19 A. No. 20 Q. Okay. Anything else? 20 21. A. That's about it. 21 22 22 A. Probably 15. 23 23 Q. What was that? 24 24 A. 25 25 Q. Did you have a licane at that time? Page 75 Page 77 2 Q.. c.k 1 2 3 3 4 4 Q. Okay. I lave you ever been convicted of any M i l ==MEM 5 felonies or misdemeanors? 6 6 A. 7 7 a Q. How was that experience? 8 9 A. It wasn't nice, actually. Horrible. 9 0 Q. Anything in particular happen there? 10 11 A. No, nothing in particular, no. 11 12 Q. What made it so bad? 12 13 A. Ant the way they treat you in there, you 13 14 know, treat you like you're scum. It's filthy, you're 14 15 around filthy people. 15 16 Q. Okay. You weren't assaulted, though, or 16 17 nobody — 17 18 A. No. 18 19 Q. -- tried to take liberties with you while you 19 20 were in or nothing like that? 20 21 A. No. 21 22 Q. Speeding tickets? 22 23 A. Yes, I've had a couple of tickets. Not 23 24 wearing a seat belt. Got a couple of tickets, like, 24 25 when I was 20 for my back taillights being out. 25 20 (Pages 74 to 77' PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (80e) 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f-b500-98638af0a746 EFTA00723650 Page 80 1 Q. Eli definitely put a question mark. 2 A. Okay. 3 Q. Okay. Have you ever been found incompetent to 4 proceed or not guilty by reason of insanity or -- at any 5 of your court hearings or did anybody ever question your 6 competency, or... 7 A. 8 9 10 11 12 t west earcutnstances, u may 13 A. I mean, what happened? 14 Q. Yeah. 15 A. 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 79 Page 8 1 A. He's 1 2 Q. Anything else or just 2 Q. Do you remember club this was at? 3 A. He takes - bes prescribed_ I'm not — 3 A. That was at th 4 I think -- I think it's= I'm not really sure what 4 But I was just there as a customer. 1 wasn't working or 5 else he's prescribed, honestly. I know he's prescribed 5 anything like that. 6 6 Q. Okay. Do you like to go to those bars as 7 t t not rea y sure w i s ca or 7 recreation as well? ;t anything. 8 A. No, not really. I was just there to hang out 9 Q. Okay. Any of your — I may have asked this 9 with that was there. 10 already and I apologize if I have. Any of your past 10 Q. ave you ever any aliases or any other 11 boyfriends have any issues with drugs or substances? 11 names? 12 A. No. 12 A. No. 13 Q. Okay. 13 Q. How about when you were dancing, did you have 14 A. Besides 'bviously. 14 a stage name? 15 Q. Yes. 15 A. Yes. 16 A. And, I'm sorry llas well, he had a 16 Q. What was that? 17 substance-abuse problem. 17 A. I went by = 18 Q. Was that while you were dating him or 18 Q. And the same name at each place or... 19 aftenvards, 19 A. No, not all the time. 20 A. That was 20 Q. So what other ssarnes did you use? 21 Q. Okay. Sot il 21 A. fused - I us. 1 usedag and 22 any of that stuff? 22 sometimes I would have to use my own name because a lot 23 A. I want to stnnor some reason. 23 of times all the names are taken. I couldn't think of a 24 Q. Okay. 24 name without it being taken, so I've gone I3M, I've 25 A. I'm not 100 percent. 25 gone 21 (Pages 78 to 81) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIccluti (601 3f6786dc-3693-4b91-b508-98638af0a746 EFTA00723651 Page 82 Page 84 1 Q. Did you ever register as an adult entertainer 1 A. I'm a real — I drink on occasion, really. So 2 or get that card or — 2 1would say in a week, !might have one to two drinks: 3 A. Yes, yes, I have. I don't have it on me. 3 sometimes I don't drink for a month, you know. 4 Q. What's involved in that process to get that? 4 Q. Okay. What's your preference when you drink? 5 A. You go out into, l believe, it's the fire 5 A. What do I like to drink? 6 station, and you just walk in and ifs either — ifs on 6 Q. uh-huh. 7 a specific day you have to go, I believe ifs 7 A. I like margaritas. 8 Wednesdays, and -- either Tuesdays or Wednesdays you go. 8 Q. Do you ever order any special tequila or is it 9 You sign in and they make you sign a piece of paper, 9 just whatever the house puts in? 10 where you're working, what's your stage name, what's 10 A. No, it's Patron. 11 this, what's that. You get — I think it was SI0 at the 11 Q. Gold, Silver, 120? 12 time that I got mine. Now I think ifs more than that. 12 A. Silver. 13 And they take you -- take your picture and give it to 13 Q. Or 1800 or whatever. 14 you right there. 14 How old were you when you first used alcohol? 15 Q. Do they make a (limier do it? 15 A. I would say around 14, 15. 16 A. No. Ifs — ifs just in the firehouse. 16 Q. And the most you've had to drink at any one 17 Q. Fire — downtown building, so it's not like a 17 time? 18 rue station? 18 A. I couldn't really honestly say. I would — I 19 A. It — no, ifs not a fire station. I don't 19 would say probably, you know, up to ten drinks. 20 know. I guess like the main -- 20 Q. Okay. Is it okay if I put down the 21 Q. Public works building? 21 approximate sign there? 22 A. Right, exactly. 22 A. Yeah, right. 23 Q. Okay. Because I know for a while they were 23 Q. And ten drinks being like beer or being like 24 doing baby drop-offs at fire stations and stuff. 24 margaritas or mixed or... 25 A. Really? 25 A. No, mixed, beers. Page 83 Page 85 1 Q. Yeah. 1 Q. Have you ever developed a tolerance to 2 A. Wow. 2 alcohol? 3 Q. So when you said fire stations, I was 3 A. No, not really. 4 literally thinking the local -- 4 Q. You don't have to drink any more to get the 5 A. Right, I should have... 5 same effect, right? 6 Q. Okay. Anything else other than a legal 6 A. No. 7 lawsuit, history or anything that I should know about? 7 Q. Ever have any withdrawal symptoms when you 8 A. Well, actually, I was thinking about it 8 stopped drinking? 9 did just I moved tcM I was A. No. 10 living in • and I did get convicted 10 Q. Okay. So no shakes, seizures — 11 because I was unable to come up with the rent and he 11 A. No. 12 didn't want to work with me, and so it was either I had 12 Q. sweats? No? 13 the money or I had to be out So he wasn't willing to 13 A. No. 14 work with me so l had to be out. So I don't know if 14 Q. Any negative consequences from drinking? 15 he's pursuing the case towards me, my own landlord. I 15 A. No. 16 think that he is. I haven't been served with papers or 16 Q. Any treatment for drinking? 17 anything like that, so I'm not sure. 17 A. No. 18 Q. Boniput that down as a maybe. 18 Q. And the last time you had something to drink? 19 A. Yeah. 19 A. Sunday. Not Sunday, when the Dolphins were 20 Q. Okay. And we've talked a little bit about 20 &Yin& 21 pills and things like that. I just want to take a 21 Q. I have to renumber. Were they playing Green 22 moment here and go through the substances. 22 Bay last Sunday? 23 A. Okay. 23 A. What? What were they playing? Good question. 24 Q. Kind of one at a time. 24 I want to say the Patriots, no? 25 So how much do you drink a week? 25 Q. That's right. They did play the Patriots. 22 (Pages 82 to 85) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Rinsing (601a 303766dc-3693-4b9f-b50o-98638af0a746 EFTA00723652 Page 86 Page 88 1 How many did you have during the game? 1 marijuana? 2 A. I had like maybe three mixed drinks. 2 A. No. 3 Q. Okay. Were you at a bar or someone's house? 3 Q. Any negative consequences from using 4 A. No. I was at my house. 4 marijuana? 5 Q. And I think the Pats won that day, didn't 5 A. S 6 they? 6 Q. Okay. Any treatment e at to marijuana use? 7 A. Yes, they did. 7 A. No. 8 Q. Do you remember the score by any chance? 8 Q. And the last time ou used marluana? 9 A. No, I don't. I stopped watching. 9 A. 10 Q. True Dolphins fan. 10 Q. 11 A. Yes. 11 A. es. 12 Q. Marijuana, how old were you when you first 12 Q. So you just turned.. 13 used? 13 A. Correct 14 A. 14, 15, all around the same time. 14 Q. Okay. Cocaine? 15 Q. Okay. And we talked earlier about having kind 15 A. No. 16 of mental markers. Is there any events in your life 16 Q. Never tried it? 17 that help you know that? 17 A. I tried it when I was approximately the same 18 A. What do you mean? 18 age. I was kind of experimenting, but I probably did a 19 Q. Well, I remember it was 15 because I was in 19 line of coke in all my young years. 20 eighth grade, or I think it's 14 because I was in 20 Q. Okay. So you never smoked it, you just 21 seventh grade or — 21 sniffed it? 22 A. Yeah, I'd say — rd day 14 or 15 because it 22 A. Yeah. 23 was the end of my eighth grade. 23 Q. Okay. Using it once, it's hard to develop 24 Q. Did you try it by yourself or were you with 24 tolerance because — 25 someone or -- 25 A. Yeah, no. Page 87 Page 89 1 A. No, l was with someone. 1 Q. You probably wouldn't get withdrawal symptoms. 2 Q. Who were you with? 2 A. No. It was just the one-time thing. 3 A. 1 was with my best friend at the time, so -- I 3 Q. Any negative feelings from using It, or it l remain close to my friend, 4 just wasn't your bag, or... 5 Q. Okay. What' name? 5 A. Yeah, no. My parents are -- were addicts of 6 A. 6 that so... 7 Q. okay. 7 Q. Okay. 8 Doe motsw about Mr. Epstein? 8 A. It's kind of the devil's drug, so I was 9 A. Yes, she does. 9 always — never wanted anything to do with it. 10 Q. Okay. Dld she also go with Mr. Epstein or -- 10 Q. Any treatment for cocaine? 11 A. Yes, she did. 11 A. No. 12 Q. What was the maximum amount you would smoke? 12 Q. Okay. And your most recent use then would be 13 A. Not that much. 1 don't —1 mean, when 1— I 13 14, 15? 14 tried it; 1 didn't really like it that much, so... 14 A. Right, yeah, years ago. 15 Q. Okay. Joints, blunts — 15 Q. Now, we talked a little bit about pills. 16 A. Yeah, I'd smoked blunts. 16 What — what did you take? 17 Q. Dooby pipes? 17 18 A. Yeah, probably — maybe like two blunts, I 18 19 don't know. 19 20 Q. Okay. How frequently would you use? 20 21 A. Just kind of recreationally. Like, if there 21 22 was a party going on or something like that. 22 23 Q. Once a month, two times a year? 23 24 A. I'd say probably like twice a month. 24 25 Q. Any withdrawal symptoms from stopping using 25 23 (Pages 86 to 89) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joan. Ricciull (601 ) 3t6785dc-3693-4b9f-b500-986allat0a746 EFTA00723653 Page 90 Page 92 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 Q. Okay. And I think I asked this before, but 14 14 bear with me. You never exchanged sex far drugs or 15 15 other favors? 16 16 A. No. 17 Can I turn my phone off? fm sorry. 17 Q. And you never sold to be able to -- 18 Q. Uh-huh, yeah. I was about to say, text 18 A. Right. 19 message? 19 Q. — afford them or things like that? 20 A. No. I just wanted to turn it of£ 20 A. No. 1 never did any of that. 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 25 1 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 14 H 15 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 25 25 24 (Pages 90 to 93) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuli (601) 3f6766de-3693-4b9r•b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723654 Page 94 3 4 5 6 7 7 Q Where — where did you get that at? 8 8 A. I went to 9 Q. Okay. Anywhere else? 10 10 A. No, that's it 11 11 Q. Okay. How many times did you go t 12 12 13 13 14 14 15 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 25 25 Pate 95 Page 97 1 1 k (Non-verbal response.) 2 2 Q. No? 3 3 A. No. 4 4 Q. Okay. LSD? PCP? Moth? 5 5 A. No. 6 6 Q. Ecstasy? 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 14 14 15 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 .25 25 Q. Okay. Have you ever used '.f ants, *RI 25 (Pages 94 to 97) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601- 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f-bSee-980338afga746 EFTA00723655 Page 98 Page 100 1 or things like that? 1 A. No. 2 A. No. 2 Q. When you used marijuana, did you ever lace it 3 3 with anything or do anything else with it? 4 4 • A. No. 5 5 Q. So you never dipped it in like alcohol or 6 6 formaldehyde, or — 7 7 A. No. 8 8 Q. -- PCP. 9 9 You don't think you ever got a bad batch? 10 10 A. No. 11 11 Q. You mentioned a little bit earlier that a lot 12 Q. PII, again, put an approximate sign. 12 of times at the clubs and stuff there were a lot of 13 A. Okay. 13 drugs. What do you think you were exposed to when you 14 Q. Okay. Nicotine, we had a smoke break so Pm 14 were dancing? 15 pretty sure -- 15 A. I think I was probably exposed to everything 16 A. Yealt,1do smoke. 16 that you can come by, pretty much. 17 Q. When did you start smoking? 17 Q. Strange question, but why did you not pick up 18 A. I didn't start smoking until I was like 20. 18 some other habits then? I mean, as I said, up in 19 Q. Okay. 19 Baltimore, heroin's king. I mean, everybody seems to be 20 A. That's weird, right? 20 chasing the dragon and cocaine and stuff. How did you 21 Q. Why? 21 avoid the IV drugs and all of that? 22 A. I know. Honestly, from I believe just like 22 A. I mean, 1just — I guess with my parents 23 being — well, I guess that's not true. When I danced, 23 being addicts, I mean, 1knew I was a form of an addict 24 you know — I guess like maybe when! was 18, I started 24 myself by eating pills or whatever, but I just never 25 smoking socially at the bar when I would be working or 25 wanted to get in that scene. Page 99 Page 101 1 having a drink or whatever, even though I wasn't 1 Q. And just for my own knowledge base, did 2 supposed to be drinking. I would have, like, an 2 answers — did you use IV drugs or was it just sniffing 3 occasion — on occasion I'd have a cigarette, and then I 3 and snorting? 4 never -- like, I never -- after I left, I never smoked 4 A. Most -- I would say mostly it's just a lot of at home. It was always, you know. if I was having a 5 snorting cocaine. I mean, I have met probably three drink or something like that, and then the more 1smoked 6 girls that were just out of control, would do anything at the bar, the more I -- 7 that -- you know, anything, but for the most part, just 3 Q. You got into it? 8 a lot of cocaine. 9 A. -- got into it and got the addiction, so... 9 Q. Okay. You said when you were dancing you were 10 Q. How much are you doing a day now? 10 drinking when you shouldn't have been. 11 A. I smoke probably a pack every four days, five 11 A. Right. 12 days. 12 Q. Was that just work policy or meaning under age 13 Q. Okay. So again, estimating about four to five 13 21? 14 cigarettes a day? 14 A. I was just under age 21. 15 A. Right. 15 Q. Okay. Longest period of time you've been drug 16 Q. Okay. And I think there is like 20 cigarettes 16 free? 17 in a pack? 17 A. I'm sorry? 18 A. Right. 18 Q. Longest period you've been drug free? 19 Q. Again, I'm not your treating doe, but stop -- 19 A. Over two years. 20 A. No, I latow. 20 Q. Good for you. 21 Q. -- for your health. 21 A. Thank you. 22 A. I lmow. 22 Q. So how old were you when you went to the 23 Q. Ever use any herbals like mushrooms or any of 23 program? 24 those, trumpets or pepsin weed or peyote or mescaline or 24 A. I was 16. 25 shrooms or... 25 26 (Pages 98 to 101) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Bectronicalhi signed by Jeans Riceluti (601 3f6765dc-3693-4b91-bS0o-S8638affla746 EFTA00723656 Page 102. Page 104 A. Yes. Q. Okay. Do you own any weapons? 2 Q. And what did you do to get two years clean? 2 A. No. 3 A. Actually, when me andagot together, he 3 Q. Current boyfiiend own any weapons? 4 was a big part of that. I was tired ofnot knowing 4 A. No. Maybe like a pocket knife or something 5 myself, you know, and he really helped me in a lot of 5 like that, but nothing extreme. 6 ways. That's when I started my own business and we 6 Q. Okay. No machetes, no - 7 started pre-occupying my time doing — Instead of doing 7 A. Right. 8 pills or anything. Q. -- pistols, no fencing swords, no blow darts 9 Q. Okay. And the two years is recently, correct? 9 or nunchucics or whatever? 10 A. Right. 10 A. No, none of that. 11 Q. That would be — 11 Q. Something— a guy caught an intrude in his 12 A. Give or — besides I did smoke — I did smoke 12 garage who had a Samurai sword just lying around. 13 marijuana on my birthday that I did tell you about, but 13 A. Wow. 14 as fares ills — 14 Q. Just some people out there have strange 15 15 hobbies. 16 16 Okay. Actually, what are some ofyour 17 17 hobbies? 18 18 A. I like to do a number of things. I love the 19 19 beach, I'm a sun person. I have a dog, so me and him 20 20 bang out a lot I take bim to the dogpark and hang 21 21 out. 22 22 Q. What type of dog? 23 23 A. He's a pekingese/chihuahua mix. He's only 24 24 four — he's a four-pounder. And... 25 25 Q. A little yappy dog? Page 105 1 A. No, actually he's very docile. You'd be 2 Most violent thing you've ever done? 2 surprised. 3 A. Violent? 3 I do all kinds of stuff, honestly. I'm having 4 Q. Qb-huli. 4 a brain fart right now. I love to exercise, l go to the 5 A. 5 gym. If I can't go to the gym, I take walks and do 6 6 exercising a lot 7 7 Q. Okay. Medical history, any — any problems? 8 8 A. Nope. 9 9 Q. Okay. 10 10 A. Besides my addiction in the past. 11 11 Q. Okay. Any surgeries? 12 12 A. I've had surgery on both ofmy pinkies. 13 13 Q. Okay. Why — why was that? 14 14 A 15 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 Q. Were you c or was s c c a go or - 23 24 A. Yeah. She I could have pressed charges 24 25 against her but I didn't. 25 27 (Pages 102 to 105) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601 3f6765cle-3693-4b9f.b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723657 Page 106 Page 108 1 Q. Any recent falls, fits, spills, seizures, 2 whirling, twirling, dizziness? Any problems with your 3 3 ears, ringing in your ears, hearing loss, bleeding from 4 the ears, ruptured ear drum or membrane? Any problems 5 with your eyes, blurred vision, double vision, glaucoma, 6 teary eyes, runny eyes, drippy eyes, bloody eyes? Any 7 problems with your nose, runny nose, drippy nose, nasal 8 polyps, sinus infections, deviated septums, loss of 9 9 smell? Any problems with your lips, gums, tongue or 10 10 teeth? Any trouble with your throat? Any trouble 11 11 swallowing, moving your neck from side to side or up or 12 12 down? Any problems like lymph nodes or little golf 13 13 balls in your neck? Any problems with reflwc or hiatal 14 14 hernias? Any problems with your heart, murmurs or 15 15 gallops, heart attacks, congestive heart failure, valve 16 16 problems? Any problems with your lungs, lingular 17 17 bronchitis, cancer, asthma? Any problems with your 18 Q. Okay. And tonsillectomy, appendectomy or 18 stomach, ulcers, food intolerance? Any duodenal ulcers? 19 anything 'Ste that? 19 Any change in your bowel habits, constipation, diarrhea? 20 A. What, like tonsils? No, I never had -- 20 A. Yeah, I do have — I've suffered from that my 21 Q. No other surgery? 21 whole life. 22 A. No. 22 Q. 23 Q. Ever need a blood transfusion? 23 A. 24 A. No. 24 25 Q. Any loss ofconsciousness? 25 Page 107 Page 109 A. No. 1 2 Q. Any head injuries? 2 3 A. No. 3 Q. 4 5 A. 5 o Q. Okay. And that's while you were at the rehab? 6 ow ong ago was mu A. Right. 7 A. I'd say around when I was like 8 Q. AtMat age 16? 8 a 9 A. Pearrly. 9 Q. You didn't go to the hospital or seek medical 10 Q. Okay. Have you ever left any place against 10 attention for that? 11 medical advice? 11. A. Yeah, l did go to the hospital. 12 A. No. • 12 Q. Okay. Do you remember which hospital you went 13 Q. Okay. Any medicines you've been on in the 13 to? 14 past? 14 A. No, I'm not positive. 15 A. Nope. 15 Q. Okay. Did an ambulance take you or did you 16 Q. Aft right. Are you currently on any 16 drive yourself? 17 medications? 17 A. No, I went myself. 18 A. No, but I definitely am going to be going to 18 Q. Okay. So bear with me. Diarrhea, 19 see a doctor soon to be prescribed some medicines. 19 constipation, bright red blood from your rectum, dark 20 Q. Okay. Any drug allergies? 20 tarry stools that smell wale than usual? Any back 21 A. Not ofmy knowledge, no. 21 problems? Any skeletal muscle problems in the back? 22 Q. Pm just going to run a long laundry list of 22 Any kidney issues? Any bleeding when you urinate? Any 23 symptoms here just for the sake of time. Stop me if any 23 issues with bladder infections or urinary tract 24 of these are positive. 24 infections? Any problems with female reproductive 25 A. Okay. 25 organs. painful menses -- 28 (Pages 106 to 109) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601 3f6765dc-3693-4b9f-b500-913638at0a746 EFTA00723658 Page 110 Page 112 1 A. 1 2 2 3 Q. Okay. How long ago was that? 3 4 A. That was on January 5th of '07. Oh, no, I'm 4 5 sorry, '08. 5 6 Q. Okay. Did you need any surgical procedure for 6 7 that? 7 8 A 8 Q. Okay. Have you had any elective outpatient 9 9 surgeries or — 10 10 A. What do you mean? 11 11 Q. I mean, (can run the gambit from lame 12 12 removal - 13 13 14 14 15 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 25 25 Page 111 Page 113 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 A. MI. 7 8 Q. How did they — 8 OEM 9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 14 14 15 Q. ay. you remem er e nam o e 15 16 procedure? 16 17 A. 17 18 18 19 19 20 20 21 Q. 21 22 22 Q. Okay. Any issues with joints, muscles, 23 23 ligaments, tendons? My issues with your blood, 24 A. 24 including a high blood count, low blood count, high 25 25 blood sugar, low blood sugar? Any problems with too =id 29 (Pages 110 to 113) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601-. 1) 3167656e-3693-4b9f-b500-98638af0a746 EFTA00723659 Page 114 Page 116 1 much red blood cells, not enough red blood cells, too 1 A. That happened in January. 2 much white blood cells, not enough white blood cells? 2 Q. Okay. So January to about June, you were 3 Any problems with your adrenal pituitary thyroid gland? 3 feeling a little oft? 4 Anything that I haven't asked you about that you think I 4 A. Right. 5 need to know? 5 Q. What kind of symptoms were you having at that 6 A 6 time? 7 Q 7 A. It wasn't even really about symptoms. I 8 osst y, 8 was — really didn't go through a depression. I was 9 A. Right'Yeah- 9 just kind of— I was very curious to know of why my 10 10 body, you know, what was wrong with my body. But it's 3.1 11 not that there is anything wrong with my body, it's just 12 12 sometimes, you know... 13 13 Q. Okay. So I just want to make sure I 14 14 understand, I don't want to put words in your mouth. 15 15 You were thinking about it, there was something off 16 16 about it, but you don't think you reached the level of a 17 17 diagnosis of illness? 18 t at was in t at occur 18 A. Right. 19 A. Lib-huh. 19 Did ou discuss it with an one? 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 117 2 2 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 y. ow m remern 13 14 timeline. Was that also around the same time that your 14 15 friend with the substance use had passed away? 15 16 A. No. That happened this year. 16 17 Q. That happened this year? 17 18 A. Uh-huh. 18 19 Q. So this predates that? 19 20 A. Right. 20 21 Q. And you lost, again bear with me — 21. 22 A. 22 23 Q. =at the end of 2008? 23 24 A. Correct. 24 25 Q. So this happened about June or January? 25 30 (Pages 114 to 117) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Ricciuti(601a 31676tide-3693.4b9f-b50e-98638af0a746 EFTA00723660 Page 118 Page 120 1 Q. That's a good point. I apologize, I forgot to 1 A. I would just like to use the restroom. Can I 2 ask when we were talking about education, school and 2 do that? I drank this whole coffee. 3 careers and all, what would you like to do in the future 3 Q. To be honest, I am definitely okay with that 4 or you said you were getting your GED in? 4 A. Okay, cool. A. to all 5 (A lunch break was taken.) 6 6 7 y. 7 8 A. And I would — after I achieve that, I would. 8 9 like to work as 9 10 10 11 11 12 A. 12 13 Q. That's stressful 13 14 A. I don't know. M done it, my 14 15 grandmother did it her whole life, and they all seem to 15 16 like it. So I've always been kind of curious. 16 17 Q. Okay. And there are good things about NM 17 18 work, there is shift and you can schedule, but it can be 18 19 a little hectic at times. 19 20 A. Stressful. 20 21 Q. It sounds like a good plan. 21 22 How long is thiMMprogram? 22 23 A. I believe it's 6 to 12 months. 23 24 Q Okay. 24 25 A. It's actually not that long at all. 25 1 2 3 Q. that gets you certified as al Page 119 1 2 CERTIFICATE Page 121 A. Correct. 3 STATE OF FLORIDA 4 Q. — so you could do and — 4 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 5 A. Right. 5 6 Q. --and things like that? 6 7 A. Exactly. 7 I, Jeana Ricciuti, Registered Professional 8 Q. And then after that, you would like to go to 8 Reporter, State of Florida at large, certify that I was 9 9 authorized to and did stenographically report the 10 A. Uh-huh. 10 foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a true 11 Q. -- and becoin . Okay. 11 and complete record of my stenographic notes. 12 Have you looked into wage and how much you're 12 Dated this 11th day of November, 2009. 13 going to get paid for that? 13 14 A. No. I haven't taken that step yet. I'm just 14 15 wailing for the GED to arrives. 15 16 Q. Which arrives tomorrow? 17 16 A. Right. 17 18 Q. Okay. We already talked about that You feel 19 18 relatively confident that you'll do well with that? 19 20 A. Definitely. 20 21 Q. Good, okay. 21 22 Now is probably a good time as any to kind of 22 23 get into the psychiatric history some. Would you like 23 24 to take a break before we do that or would you like to 24 ?25 get into it now? 25 31 (Pages 118 to 121) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jenne Mackie (601alln 316765dc-3693-4b9f-bege-98638afaa746 EFTA00723661