From: "Jeffrey E." <jeevacation@gmail.com>
To: Noam Chomsky
Subject: Re: Re:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:11:53 +0000
understood, however i am working down the line , i dont care what creates the signal . light lines
regularites, etc. sound smell etc. they merely produce a chemical -electrical . signal/pattem . no more no
less. the de encryption of that signal is my focus. the method that makes "sense" from that signal is my prey.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Noam Chomsky > wrote:
This is the program David Marr initiated, developed by Shimon Ullman and others. Makes sense, and there are some
interesting results. David was a friend, and we often discussed these topics. In fact, his famous three levels adapted a
model from generative grammar. But there was always the fundamental problem I mentioned. Vision is an input
system, crafting coherent images from lines, points of light, etc. Language is used for that purpose too, but it's not what
language is.
That fundamental difference, along with the fact that the principles involved seem quite different, has always been a
stumbling block to seeking any link.
From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Noam Chomsky
Subject: Re:
Vision rules needed to craft coherent image . Edges? " Fag,gehtabowtit." Two edges crafted by software
On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Noam Chomsky l> wrote:
I presume that the software just guides the hardware. Don't see how that changes the considerations.
From: jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:09 AM
To: Noam Chomsky <=a
Subject: Re:
The hardware of vision is an input system , It's the software that I'm referring to .
On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Noam Chomsky wrote:
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We don't teach children language either, contrary to many beliefs. The visual grammar just grows, and as is
known, can develop in various ways depending on early experience. Same with the language grammar, though the
period in which experience has a shaping effect is much longer.
However, there are fundamental differences between vision and language. Can send you a recent paper about it if
you like. Vision is an input system. Language isn't. It's an internal capacity, a system of knowledge, which is used
to process input and also to produce thoughts (sometimes externalized). Seems also to be modality independent.
And their properties look wholly different, so it's hard to see how one could piggy-back on the other.
Noam
From: Jeffrey E. (mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:24 AM
To: Noam Chomsky <E M>;
Subject:
we dont teach children to see. they have a visual grammar built in . why wouldnt we expect some
mutation of that system to allow auditory grammar.
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