From: "Noam Chomsky"
To: "Jeffrey E." <jeevacation@grnail.com>
Subject: RE: Re:
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 15:03:00 +0000
And I soon will. At American airlines. She's on her way back from Brazil.
These are amazing capacities. Not sure how well they are understood.
From: jeffrey E. [mailtoleevacation@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:02 AM
To: Noam Chomsky < >
Subject: Re: Re:
you can recognize valerias face in a crowd, and know its her voice immediately on the phone. I'm not sure if
analysis as opposed to shape recognition ( distance time function) for the face and fourier transform for voice. is
rightly considered analysis and parsing. I don't think so on another note ,using your right eye and then your left
try to focus for a moment on Valeria's right eye and then focus on her left.while you are talking to her, . see if
you get different info. the expression "the eyes are the windows of the soul ", might be wrong, it might only be
one eye,:)
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Noam Chomsky < > wrote:
The idea of interpreting sensory systems as involving both input and output, and hence presumably accessing a central
system of competence (as distinct from the input-output performance systems) is a very interesting one, particularly
the hints about eyes. I don't see quite how it works, but worth pursuing and thinking about.
Very few people I can think of, but will think more.
What sensory systems provide to the brain is always interpreted by internal systems, memory included, and the
sensory systems themselves carry out analysis. There's a good deal of detailed work on this, mainly for sound and
vision. Turns out, for example, that chimp auditory system yields something very close to the physical features that
enter into the phonological systems of human language, but lacking the internal interpretation, for the apes it's noise
while for the newborn infant it's language.
From: jeffrey E. hailto:jeevacation@gmail.coml
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 7:33 PM
To: Noam Chomsky c
Subject: Re: Re:
is a first step to get a group together of people that might add useful insights. . people you respect . though
you might disagree. maybe we pose the question to the group. re eyes, it seems that each sense should have
both a transmitter and receiver, . scent. smell., hearing voice. , touch movement, sight -? , I think the eyes
transmit info. my work on placebo showed video did not work, no explanation, interrogators. use eyes to
gauge truthfulness. ( But these are all cognitive interpretations of the (internal) output of the visual system. , --
not sure what input is not- a cognitive interpretation.? why I like the music work is that our brain must first
deconstruct the chords. Fourier transform , or something like, it. then have a memory to know whether the
next two or three notes follow grammatically from the past few.
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On Sat, Aug I, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Noam Chomsky < > wrote:
Been on the road all day from the Cape to Cambridge. Along with every other car in Mass.
Glad you liked the paper. Since Leonard Bernstein's Charles Eliot Norton lectures at Harvard about 40 years ago
there has been interesting work seeking structural similarities between language and at least some musical
traditions, mostly western tonal. You might want to have a look. One of those doing the best work is my colleague
David Pesetsky, a fine linguist and excellent musician.
You're right that "reading the eyes" is a complex and fascinating topic, even extrapolating gaze, the way infants do
but probably not other animals. And famously, staring into someone's eyes is far from neutral: either serious threat
or real intimacy. But these are all cognitive interpretations of the (internal) output of the visual system.
It could be argued that the computations involved in determining what we see are a central system, not just part of a
processing system. Hard to see how to pose that as a real empirical issue that can be tested.
From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 9:18 AM
To: Noam Chomsky < >
Subject: Re: Re:
" processing" -my use of sloppy language , sorry, thanks for the great paper. music and its"
understanding" , might be a closer representation to expressing a formalism that might help describe the
events. it is not an either , or , it is a superposition of melody, prosody, harmony, within certain bounds
that differentiate it from noise.
fyi, in the paper it says the vision system is only input, .not sure that is corrrect. reading the eyes might
have more to it than previously thought.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Noam Chomsky < > wrote:
There is a view that language is essentially a processing system. The arguments against it seem to me very power.
I'll attach a recent paper about it, a contribution to a volume of essays dedicated to Jerry Fodor and focusing on his
conception of language as processing (input modules). His version is far more sophisticated than the signal
processing approaches that were all the rage in the 1950s, drawing from the successes of wartime technology in
signal analysis and Shannon's information theory.
Noam
From: jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 7:34 AM
To: Noam Chomsky •rz >
Subject: Re: Re:
can it be thought of as no more than signal processing. why not use the same technology that attempts to
intercept communications and decode the signals and apply it to language. normally one tries to process
the signals. i wonder if they put it in reverse. and processed the language in an attempt to find
coherence.???
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Noam Chomsky < > wrote:
There is a notion of coherence in both cases, but how to unify them, or whether it's possible, I don't really see.
From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:33 PM
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what i have been calling my sense making module. . visual sense, is the image coherent. / ? why dont
you ask your young friends what they think the chomsky questions should be. I will provide the reward
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noam Chomsky > wrote:
Marr's group, as you know, studied edges, rigidity, etc. Those particular phenomena don't seem relevant to
language, except indirectly (as Marr and I in fact discussed often): there must be built-in systems that enter into
language processing (including determining grammatical status -- "legitimacy" — one property among many).
That's what work on UG should be about.
Noam
From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:jeevacation@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:59 PM
To: Noam Chomsky <=M>
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I hope you have fun at the institute. I am in santa fe. . you and i have discussed vision and edges etc
rigidity etc. auto focus on a camera looks for the most contrast . is there an equivalent . first step to
intuit whether a sentence is legitimate ?
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