From: "jeffrey E." <jeevacation®gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: ramblings but interesting mathematics.
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 08:09:38 +0000
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its one thing .
here the front is through the sound barrier.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Seth Lloyd c wrote:
I like the future as sleigh pulling the past forward. The idea of an instant is not well defined.
December 8th works for me (I teach 1-2:30).
Seth
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:05 PM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:
my vision is more like the future attached to the past. pulling it behind like a sleigh if they are connected
somehow then it "pulls" the photon . to know ones state do you need a measurement. ? or is the instant
undefined
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Seth Lloyd c wrote:
Dear Jeffrey,
In both classical and quantum mechanics, there are descriptions of what happens that involve information
propagating backwards in time: they are equivalent to the ordinary descriptions in which information
travels
forward in time.
Our experience of the present moment can be thought of as our neurons jumping back and forth between
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the sensations just received and those immediately anticipated, as in our previous discussion of the
experience
of walking.
As we discussed, self awareness is a tricky concept. I like your using this term instead of consciousness.
After all, 90% of people are unconscious 90% of the time, and the remaining 10% are unconscious 100%
of the time. The ability to refer to oneself, to remember one's actions in the past, and to imagine oneself
acting in the future seems to be a pretty powerful ability, and could be quite useful in someone undergoing
the constant threat of natural selection.
Similarly, the ability to represent oneself to another self-aware being opens up the possibility of forms of
cooperation and collaboration that are not available to those aware neither of self or of others. Note that
self awareness is bound up in human language, in particular the fully recursive, self-referential type of
language that Noam picks out as the essential driving engine of human thought.
I suspect that one can construct games where self awareness coupled with the capacity for
recursive thought conveys a strong advantage.
I'd enjoy talking about this more. Available this afternoon (Sunday) and happy for distraction from
excessive work.
Martin and I live around the corner from each other and are enjoying hanging out and talking about
just these kinds of things. You should join us one of these days.
Seth
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:50 AM, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:
if my future particle pulled its past into the present. so that t was connected ( consistant ) to ( t- e)
. would bells theorem be described as not a non local entanglement , but the measurement of one
particle influencing its past/ / it would also help me with the derivation of zipfs law. as the log
normal distribution might fall out. if an event in the future already made it more probable for the next
event. .
Seth, martin and I are stuck on evolution of self awareness. what advantage? martin originally
thought for communication. so as to be able to tell someone , your state./ what does it mean to be
in a state and be aware of it? does it require time. ? we describe a state from the outside as its
properties in an instant. all odd math, gets me zero to the zero power. indertermnate ? is it 1 or
zero. is it both. ? all fun
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