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page 12k UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- VOLUME II OF II JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF • Wednesday, November 11, 2009 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Jeana Ricciuti, RPR, FPR, CLR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services =?Eri="r":".••.... - PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (801-280.428-9381) 248de044-bdbfidfa0.9143-Sna9a75ffd35 EFTA01076068 . EFTA01076069 Page 123 1 APPEARANCES: 1 doctor. Financial problems. 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 2 Q. Okay. 3 BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 3 A. So I haven't been diagnosed with anything yet 1109 Northeast Second Street 4 Hallendal c Florida 33009 4 I mean, my therapist has diagnosed me with post Phone: S traumatic stress disorder - 5 6 Q. Okay. What problems? 6 7 A. Anxiety problems, flashbacks, depression. 7 On behalfof the Defendant 8 ASHLIE STOICEN-BARING, PARALEGAL 8 Q. When you say flashback, what do you man by BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTT1ER & COLEMAN, LLP 9 that? 9 303 Banyan Boulevard 10 A. Just flashbacks of my past. Suite 400 11 Q. Can you describe them? 10 Wcst P Florida 33401 Phone: 12 A. When I was working at The Bagel Shop, there 11 13 was, you know, it was an older crowd from Century 12 14 Village, and I would get sane men that were, you know, 13 ALSO PRESENT: 15 early — early 50s and, you know, kind of -- it was a 14 Dr. Ryan Hall, 15 Jeffrey Abbot, Peographer 16 Jewish restaurant and it kind of brought back memory -- Visual Evidence, Incorporated 17 memories ofme and Jeffrey Epstein and things that 16 19 occurred between me and him that are very traumatic for 17 19 me to think about and accept. 18 20 Q. Okay. What what memories? 19 20 21 A. All memories. The way he used to look at me, 21 22 the way he used to talk, everything about — everything 22 23 that occurred between the two ofus. I just would get 23 24 flashbacks when I would see — I'd see a lot of people 24 25 25 that look like him. Page 124 Page 126 1 EXAMINATION 1 Q. Okay. And flashbacks is just memories? 2 2 A. Yeah, memories. 3 BY DR. HALL: 3 Q. Okay. What do you do when you get these 4 Q. We Just took a break for lunch, roughly 45 4 flashbacks? 5 minutes. Any questions, comments? 5 A. Normally, I would try to just — you know, A. No. 6 nonnally when I get the flashbacks, I'd kind of get a 1 Q. Okay. So I think when we went oft we were -- 7 little bit of anxiety with it. 8 we just did the substance history, we did the medical 8 Q. Okay. 9 history, current medications and all of that, okay. 9 A. It kind ofmakes me freaked out where I don't 10 So why don't we talk a little bit about your 10 want to be around anybody. So when I've gotten them in 11 past psychiatric history. 11 the past when I've worked at, you know, restaurants and 12 A. Okay. 12 other places, I'd just kind of try to go in die 13 Q. P11 just kind of throw out an open-ended 13 bathroom, gather mysel4 calm myselfdown. 14 question, and so where would you like to begin? 14 Q. Okay. How long do they last for? 15 A. And what do you mean? What do you mean by 15 A. It would vary. Sometimes it would last for 16 that? I'm sorry. 16 five or ten minutes with the whole anxiety and 17 Q. I'm sorry. Past history, when's the first 17 everything that came with it, sometimes it would last 18 time you ever had any psychiatric symptoms or problems 18 longer. 19 19 Q. Okay. Would you ever feel as if an event was 20 A. Psychiatric, as in? 20 happening at that moment in time? 21 Q. Emotional, mental. 21 A. Sometimes. That's happened to me. 22 A. I've never really been diagnosed for -- I 22 Q. Can you describe that to me? 23 mean, other than depression and, I mean, I have a letter 23 A. There was — there was a older gentleman, his 24 that my therapist had wrote out with all of my symptoms 24 name was Leo, and he would always come in to the bagel 25 for the doctor, but I haven't been able to get to the 25 restaurant that I worked at. And this is really before 2 (Pages 123 to 126) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601-280428-93131) 218d9044-bdbf4fa0-9143-5060•76ffd35 EFTA01076070 Page 127 Page 129 1 like I got to talk, I started talking to my therapist 1 brought me back. 2 about it and everything else. And he had two tickets 2 Q. Okay. Any other symptoms? 3 that he wanted to give tome, and he asked me he VMS 3 A. As far as flashbacks, I suffer really bad from 4 going to tell me in my ear, you know, what he wanted to 4 anxiety. I have a lot of like — like I'm losing hair. 5 give to me for whatever the reason, and we — when i 5 I would say i have really bad anxiety problems. 6 bent down to talk to him, you know,icould just — like 6 Q. When did the anxiety start? 7 the sound of his voice, how he was talking, you know, it 7 A. Probably after -- when I really stopped 8 just reminded me of Jeffrey's way of talking, how he B taking, like, chugs and stufflike that. 9 talked realty fast and sometimes it would be like 9 Q. Okay. 10 inaudible or when — I really wouldn't understand what 10 A. And I had full control over all ofmy 11 he was saying because he was talking so fast, and it 11 emotions, ince I started to feel again. 12 would just instantly remind me when -- how, you know, he 12 Q. Anxiety is another one of those words that 13 would, you know, say come close — like whisper in my 13 people mean a lot of different things when they say it. 14 ear, come closer, do you like that. You know, and i 14 When you say anxiety, what are you referring to? 15 would feel — i would feel -- when I bent down and he 15 A. Almost makes me nauseous. Like, my stomach 16 talked to me, 1 felt lace l was almost reliving when I 16 gets in knots. I'll feel very hot, my face gets red, my 17 was 14, 15 again. 17 heart starts racing, my hands get sweaty. I don't know, 18 Q. Okay. What do you mean by reliving? 18 I feel like I can't talk. 19 A. I felt Ince I was — for a moment, I felt like 19 Q. How long does that last for? 20 i was back at Jeffrey's house and he was talking in my 20 A. That could vary. That could — sometimes its 21 ear, whispering in my Cr, talking to me, just how he 21 lasted for five, ten minutes; sometimes there's been 22 used to. 22 times where i would — i was supposed to go out and i 23 Q. Okay. How did you feel like you were back at 23 got fully dressed, ready, and leave my house and 24 Jeffrey's house? 24 literally make a U-turn and go back and don't go 25 A. I'm sorry? 25 anywhere. Page 128 Page 130 1 Q. You said that at that moment I felt like —1 1 Q. And why do you go back? 2 mean, how did you feel like you were back at Jeffrey's 2 A. There — I'm just for example, I don't know, 3 house? 3 I just — A. I — that's just what I -- when he started 4 Q. I mean, I don't mean to interrupt you, but you 5 talking in my ear, i got a flash — I just had a 5 gave me an example. You're dressed, you're ready and 6 flashback of being at his house, and... 6 you're going out. Why do you turn beck? 7 Q. Did you still realize you were at the 7 A. Certain — certain little things will trigger 8 restaurant, though? 8 my anxiety, and I don't want to be around anybody. I 9 A. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had -- I knew where I feel funny, I feel jittery, I feel like I'm going to 10 was, but I mean the thought as soon as he started 10 It 11 whispering in my ear, i thought — I had thoughts of 11 Q. What kind of things trigger it? 12 being at his house and reliving that moment. 12 A. Lite, being around — being around -- not 13 Q. And what did you do? 13 elderly but around men that are around, you know, 50,1 14 A. I walked away from the table. i told the 14 • suppose you could say. 15 other waitress that she could handle my tables, and I 15 Q. Well, I'm assuming if you're in your car 16 walked into the bathroom to... 16 dressed up -- 17 Q. Did you accidentally call Leo Jeffrey Epstein, 17 A. Right. Okay. 18 or did you push him away or did you — 18 Q. — going out, i'll assuming Friday or Saturday 19 A. 'didn't — I just walked away from him. I 19 night? 20 didn't take what he was trying to give to me. [didn't 20 A. Right. 21 really — I Wasn't even taking in what he was trying to 21 Q. This one time you're talking about -- 22 even say to me. All I heard was the tone ofhis voice 22 A. lib-huh. 23 and how he kind of was talking lower and fast, and I 23 Q. — there wasn't a 50-year-old in the car with 24 just didn't — I wasn't really listening but I just 24 yom 25 beard the tone and how it was and, you know, it just 25 A. No, there's not a 50-year-old. 3 (Pages 127 to 130) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joann RIcciuti (601.280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf4fa0.9143-50a9a76Nd36 EFTA01076071 Page 131 Page 13 2 1 Q. So what are you -- 1 Q. Okay. And when is the first time you saw 2 A. That's driving in West Palm, driving down 2 Mr. Epstein? 3 Okeechobee Boulevard towards his house, right down the 3 A. The first time I ever came in contact with 4 street, or even passing by or being in this building 4 Mr. Epstein, I was probably 14, turning 15. 5 right now, I had severe anxiety coming here today 5 Q. Okay. And do you know what the date was on 6 knowing that he's probably in this building right now 6 that? 7 from what 1understand. So there's, you know, many 7 A. No, I do not. 8 things - 8 Q. Any idea, any time frames? Any 9 Q. Why do you even think he's in the building 9 A. No, maybe — !want to say maybe later on in 10 right now? 10 the year, maybe around my birthday, October, November, 11 A. Well, I've heard throughout this whole time 11 December of later on in the year. 12 that I've been in this case that he does come to this 12 Q. Well, how do you know 14 then? 13 building and whether he has occupations or what, I don't 13 A. I— that's why I said 14 Diming 15, 14 really know or care, but I'm just saying living in West 14 approximately around there. 15 Palm Beach and going — when I do go out on Friday and 15 g Okay. But how do you know it wasn't 15 16 Saturday, Igo out to Clematis or whatever and, you 16 turning 16? 17 know, basically that's the route I would take when I 17 A. Because I know that I wasn't — Thad already 18 would go to his house. That's, you know, it just brings 18 been seeing him when I was 16. 19 back bad memories. 19 Q. Okay. But, again, IS going ono 16, I mean. 20 Q. So did you leave West Palm because of those 20 how do you know it's not that versus 14 and 15? 21 memories? 21 A. No. I'm — because when I dropped out -- when 22 A. Yeah. I have not really lived in West Palm 22 I dropped out being a freshman, you would a freshman, 23 other than come back to my mom's house for a while 23 you're 15. So I was either — I was probably 15 years 24 because I don't like being around here. 24 old, 14, 15, give or take, the first time I ever went to 25 Q. Okay. And is there any other reasons besides 25 Jeffrey's house, so... Page 132 Page 134 1 Jeffrey that you may not want to be around here? 1 Q. Okay. Well, I mean, that's what I'm asking is 2 A. No, there's not. 2 bow do you know — what external markers are you using? 3 Q. Because I think like some of the clubs you 3 Are you using school or what — 4 used to work at are also on Okeechobee and things of 4 A. I'm using school. 5 that nature, and that has nothing to do with him. 5 Q. -- do you remember a particular event or a 4th 6 A. Right, but the clubs that I worked at that are 6 of July when you were with someone? 1mean, how were 7 on Okeechobee I have worked at, I worked at when I was 7 you -- because you're kind ofjust throwing it out 8 also — after I'd seen him, l worked — I was still 8 there, and — 9 seeing him when I would work at those clubs. And ever 9 A. I don't mean to be throwing it out there. I'm 10 since then, ever since I stopped seeing him, I don't 10 just using it by my schooling, by my timeline. 11 work in a club in Palm Beach County and I haven't. 11 Q. So when did you start ninth grade? What year? 12 Q. Okay. So where is Platinum Gold at or the one 12 A. I don't know. I'm not 100 percent sure what 13 that you were in -- 13 year it was. 14 A. That's in Delray. 14 Q. Okay. But you saw him when you were in the 15 Q. Delray? 15 ninth grade? 16 And what, the Cheetah Club, I think is on 16 A. I had already stopped going, yes. 17 Okeechobee? 17 Q. Okay. Now, did you see him when you were in 18 A. Correct. 18 the eighth grade? 19 Q. Okay. And when was the times you worked 19 A. No, I did not. 20 there? 20 Q. Okay. When did you drop out of the 21 A. Well, there's a Cheetah Club here and there's 21 ninth grade? 22 a Cheetah Club in Pompano. 22 A. Probably a month into my ninth grade, two 23 Q. Right. So what were the times that you were 23 months, a month to two months. 24 working at the one here? 24 Q. Okay. And you started in August or September 25 A. I had to have been 18. 25 4 (Pages 131 to 134) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signod by Jean* Ricciuti (601.280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf4fa0-9143-50a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076072 Page 135 Page 137 1 A. Pm assuming starting in August. That's about 1 gave him a massage, and I would have to get nude during 2 the time school starts. 2 the massage, I would be paid $200. So at that time, it 3 Q. Okay. So you dropped out in September or you 3 was a risk I was willing to take, so I went there. 4 dropped out in October? 4 Q. What do you mean by that? S A. I would say around October. 5 A. What? 6 Q. Okay. So you dropped out right when, around 6 Q. It was a risk I was willing to take. 7 your birthday? 7 A. When I was told that I had to go somebody's 8 A. Yes. 8 house and I'd give him a massage and I would have to 9 Q. Okay. In trouble with truancy officers or 9 take my clothes off, and it was -- this was a perfectly 10 anything like that? 10 good stranger is always a risk, I mean... /.1 A. Uh-uh. 11 Q. Okay. How big of a risk did you think it was? 12 Q. Okay. When is the first time you met 12 A. Because of the, you know — I was told that he 13 Mr. Epstein? 13 was a brain surgeon or something and, like, he was a 14 A. The first — the first time I ever met 14 high powered man so 1— !mean, yeah, it was a 15 r.teinit was me and E. andM.'s friend, 15 perfectly good stranger but thinking he's, you know, got 16 , or and... 16 money or whatever, I didn't think that he would be a 17 Q. And do you know last name? 17 total, you know--! didn't think I was going to get 18 A. 18 raped or anything like that. 19 Q. How did you know..? 19 Q. Okay. So just like and this may be a bad 20 A. I met her through — I met her through my ex, 20 analogy, but just like going on a date on eHannony, 21 S and then we became friends at like a party and 21 there arc certain risks on meeting somebody you don't 22 we got to know each other more. 22 know - 23 Q. So you were already dating at this 23 A. Exactly. 24 time? 24 Q. -- but the fact that you met him through 25 A. I had already dated him and we had already 25 people you knew, told you that he was respectable -- Page 136 Page 138 dated and not been together. 1 A. Right. Q. Okay. So you already knew him and had broken 2 Q. -- you thought the chances of something bad 3 up? 3 happening, such as being raped, killed or — A. Right. 4 A. Right. 5 Q. So were you seeing anyone the first time you 5 Q. — disappearing were low? 6 went? 6 A. Right. 7 A. The first time I went? No,1don't believe I 7 Q. Okay. And I have done eHannony, and I do B was with anybody or seen an y. 8 remember some ofmy dates having friends call them up 9 Q. Do you know last name? 9 and so I do understand that there are strange things in 10 A. No, I don't know. 10 this world. 11 Q. And she was Ws friend, so you didn't 11 Who told you ahead of time you were giving him 12 already know her before -- 12 and things like that? 13 A. No. 13 A. and — .. went 14 Q. — and didn't hang out or anything like that? 14 before me, so . kind of told me about it before 1had 15 A. No. 15 even gone. She told me what... 16 Q. Okay. And again, roughly, what time of the 16 Q. So did you massage him the first time you 17 year do you think it was? 17 went? 18 A. For some ream', like I said,1 want to say 18 A. Yea. 19 around the end of the year but ! could be wrong. I want 19 Q. And kind if you remember, can you walk me 20 to say like around October, November, December, 20 through that time? 21 somewhere around those months, but I could be wrong. 21 A. It was late at night and he had two ofhis 22 Q. Okay. And how did you end up going? 22 people, two ofhis people come and pick me and up 23 A. Basically, I was told that, you know keep 23 out at the Shell gas station off of Okeechobee and the 24 my, you know, lifestyle, how I was living at the time in 24 Turnpike, and it was late at night. I want to say we 25 mind, but I was told if I went to Epstein's house and 25 probably got there around 9:00, 9:30. When we got 5 (Pages 135 to 138) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Moduli (601-2804284381) 248d0044-bdbMfa0-9143-60a9a768635 EFTA01076073 Page 139 Page 141 1 there, we rang the buzz there was like a little 1 Q. And you had been at a couple of parties where 2 buzzer thing. came out or walked us in. 2 that had happened? 3 Q. I apologize, was it a cab that came and got 3 A. Right. 4 you or did he actually have like — 4 Q. Okay. Had you been sexually active at this 5 A. No, he had his drivers come pick us up. 5 time? Q. Okay. 6 A. No. In the beginning ofme going there, no, I 7 A. And we walked upstairs. He has like — when 7 wasn't. 8 you first walk in his kitchen, he has a side door. It 8 Q. you were not sexually active with, I guess, looks like it would be a closet. You open it and it's a it was is his name? 10 stairwell, and you go up the stairwell and then you go 10 A. Right, no, 1was sexually active with M. 11 right to — it's like a hallway and there's a door. You 11 Q. Okay. Because I thought you said by the time 12 open the door and then there is another door. You open 12 you had gone to see Epstein the first time, you had 13 up that door and that's his bedroorsInd you walk around 13 already broken up with M. 14 his bed to the bathroom. I guess M. had been there so 14 A. Right. 15 she had already kind of knew what to do, so she got the 15 SI. Okay. So you had been sexually active with 16 massage table out and everything and, you know, set it 16 broke up with him and then went to Epstein? 17 up, put the towels on the way he liked,Ituess, and — 17 A. Right. But sexually active, I was still a 18 Q. Do you know how many times M. had been there 18 virgin. I mean, there are numerous ways — 19 before she took you? 19 Q. Okay. What had you done? 20 A. No. 20 A. I'm sorry? 21 Q. Okay. What had she told you about her 21 Q. What had you done with M? 22 experience going? 22 A. He had given me oral sex, he fingered me. 23 A. She told me that she would go — that she went 23 Q. Okay. And did you do anything toM? 24 there, she would massage him. Halfway through, she 24 A. Yeah. 25 would have to take her clothes off, that if she wanted 25 Q. What did you do with him? Page 140 Page 142 1 to keep — if you wanted to keep your underwear on, you 1 A. I gave him oral sex, or at least tried to. 2 could, but if you didn't want to, you didn't have to; 2 Q. Was there a problem with that? 3 thatLiar the massage, that he would flip over. And me 3 A. Well, I mean, l had never done it before so it ei and M. were friends so she, you know, would tell me 4 was more of a teaming experience. 5 everything that happened. And she said that he would 5 Q. Okay. 6 flip over and you — he liked his nipples to be squeezed 6 A. But even after me and broke up, I mean, 7 and be would jack off. 7 after I lost my virginity, we had then slept together Q. Okay. So you had heard all this before you 8 and had a sexual encounter, but that was way after the 9 went? 9 fact, like when I — but I wasn't — I don't think that o A. Right. 10 it was it was a sex on occasion, you could say. And 11 Q. All right. And when she told you this, did 11 before I said tha ro, meaning 1did have sex — I did 12 she seem to be bothered by it or say, ifs just his 12 have sex with =, but I didn't — I was a virgin 13 thing and it's not a big deal? 13 until I was 15 years old, so I know that when we dated, 14 A. It was more like, you know, it was just his 14 it was... 15 thing and it wasn't really a big deal. 15 Q. Okay. So you lost your virginity at age 15, 16 Q. Okay. Had you seen a grown man naked before 16 correct? 17 you did this? 17 A. Uh-huh. 18 A. No. 18 Q. Who did you first have sexual intercourse 19 Q. Had you seen an age-appropriate man naked 19 with? 20 before you did this? 20 A. (phonetic). 21 A. Yeah, I suppose so. 21 Q. Ion sorry, I had asked that earlier, I had 22 Q. Do you remember specifically? 22 forgotten that. 23 A. I bow that we were all younger so, I mean, if 23. You didn't list him as a significant. How did 24 I was ever -- like, there was parties where people would 24 that happen or — 25 start skinny dipping and stuff like that, so... 25 A. Inlet — he was older than me, andI was 6 (Pages 139 to 142) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by .leana Ric:clod (601-2804284381) 2a8de044-bdbf-4f30.9143-60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076074 Page 143 Page 145 1 really attracted to him and he had a girlfriend at the 1 I mean, what was -- 2 time so we were just friends, and I it was just like 2 A. I mean, it's not like — it's not like I 3 a crush. And then he had broke up with his girlfriend 3 didn't know what, you know, jacking off was or anything 4 and it was around Saint Patrick's Day, I could say, and 4 like that. I mean, I just took it as him getting off. 5 we went to this party or whatever, and he said, he said 5 i mean, i didn't take it as, ew, that's nasty, I never 6. he wanted — I didn't put him down as one of the people 6 want to see that again or, you know... 7 1had been with because basically he was — he just was 7 Q. And before all this happened, has anybody had 8 like all lie. He said he had broken up with his 8 a talk with you about the birds and the bees or things 9 girlfriend and snifflike that, and he knew how much I 9 like that? 10 lilted him or whatever, so I think it was more that he 10 A. Oh, yeah. 11 knew I was a virgin and so it was like taking my 11 Q. And how old were you when you think you first 12 virginity. And i thought we were going to be together 12 learned about sex? 13 and then we weren't and he went back to the girlfriend. 13 A. Well, you know, I was a really late bloomer, 14 So that's how. 14 so I didn't develop, you know, but like a lot ofmy 15 Q. And guessing if it was Saint Patrick's 15 friends, had lost their virginities and told me about 16 Day, there was probably a little beer or something 16 this and that and how to do this and how to do that and 17 involved? 17 what was good and what wasn't, and... 18 A. Yeah. I'm sure that there probably was. 18 Q. Okay. So you had, again maybe a bad term, had 19 Q. Okay. So I apologize. So prior to going to 19 picked it up on the playground or — 20 Epstein's the first time, and you didn't have 20 A. Right, uh-huh. 21 intercourse but you had sexual play - 21 Q. Do you think you were one of your kind of last 22 A. Right. 22 fiends to lose your virginity? 23 Q. — for lack ofa better word, withM? 23 A. Yeah. 24 A. Uh-huh. 24 Q. When it happened, how did you feel about it? 25 Q. Okay. And the experience consisted ofhim 25 A. When I lost my virginity? Page 144 Page 146 I providing oral sex to you, as well as inserting a finger 1 Q. Uh-huh. into your vagina? 2 A. I felt, obviously, like I lost my virginity. 3 A. Right. 3 But besides that, I felt very betrayed because ofhow 4 Q. Okay. If I use any tenns you find offensive 4 the guy did it because I really liked him, I really 5 or uncomfortable, please let me know. I'm trying to 5 wanted to be with him and he just definitely used me to 6 stick with more of a medical terminology. 6 take my virginity. 7 A. Okay. 7 Q. As you said, it was not the best experience? Q. And you had provided fellatio or oral sex on 8 A. Right. 9 him? 9 Q. Okay. So were at Epstein's place. I 10 A. 1.th-huh. 10 think you said M. had walked you up the stairs and set 11 Q. Your first time? 11 up the table. 12 A. Ph-huh. 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 Q. Okay. How many times had you guys had play 13 Q. If you don't mind, kind of picking it up from 14 before you went to Epstein's? 14 there. 15 A. Maybe a handful of times. 15 A. She set up the table, she put the towels down. 16 Q. Had he ever ejaculated in your presence? 16 She had done went over everything, showed me where, 17 A. I mean, yeah, I suppose so. I'm trying to 17 lire, the lotions were and we picked out a lotion. She 18 remember. I think so, yeah. 18 told me to take my rings off I don't know, she just 19 Q. Okay. And what was your reaction to that? 19 kind of told me to relax and he was a good guy and don't 20 A. It was all a learning experience for me so, I 20 really worry about it. 21 mean, I didn't take it as — i mean, i knew that was his 21 Q. Okay. Had you not taken anything before you 22 nature or whatever, but Pm not — 22 went that time? 23 Q. I've heard people say, hey, that's the 23 A. As in drugs? 24 greatest compliment that a guy can pay to a woman or 24 Q. Uh-huh. 25 that was kind of disgusting and I wasn't ex tin: it. 25 A. Yes, Fm sure that I had. j 7 (Pages 143 to 1 4 6) (1IIIIIIIIIIII PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signod by ,loana Ricciuti (601-280428.9381) 248de044-bdbf.4fa0.9143.60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076075 Page 147 Page 149 1 Q. Okay. What did you take? 1 A. I was very nervous the whole time. 2 A. Probably some sort of painkiller or narcotic. 2 Q. What about meeting him increased it? 3 Q. Okay. Now, was that the first time you had 3 A. Just that I was, you know, really -- like him 4 taken anything? 4 and a seemed very more open about the whole — it 5 A. No. I had taken them before that. 5 just seemed like they were more comfortable with it and 6 Q. Okay. 6 it was something that 'I had never done and it was 7 A. But, I mean, I wasn't big on them. 7 something new o I was just very nervous. 8 Q. Who -- who gave them to you? 8 Q. And a didn't appear to be nervous with it; 9 A. I honestly can't remember. 9 is that fair? 10 ad co oly. Was it something that eitherI. or 10 A. No. It seemed like, you know, wasn't 11 ve you, or was it something you may have 11 12 already had like earlier, like a week or two? 12 Q. And did that help reassure you or did you 13 A. Yeah, like I probably already had. 13 still feel like maybe this isn't the right thing? 14 Q. Okay. Were you nervous when you went? 14 A. It kind of reassured me, but I still thought 15 A. Yes. 15 to myself that I knew it wasn't right. 16 Q. This may be an odd question, but why do you 16 Q. Okay. So I apologize. He made the 17 think you were nervous? 17 introduction, got on the table. What happened next? 18 A. The fact that I was going to give an older man 18 A. We started massaging him. She was on the left 19 a massage and get naked for him for money. 19 side ofhim, I was on right side of him and we each 20 Q. Okay. And what happened after that? 20 massaged him, his legs, his feet, his lower back, his 21 A. We sat on this little pink couch in his 21. upper back, and he was on the phone as if he was 22 bathroom, and we waited for him to walk in. He walked 22 handling business, An not really sure who he was 23 in with a robe and took — we introduced ourselves. He 23 talking to, and we massaged him for probably 30 minutes. 24 introduced himself to me, and I introduced myself to 24 Q. At any time during this massage or after the 25 him. He laid on the -- on the massage table on his 25 introduction, did you think, you know, I don't want to Page 148 Page 150 1 stomach and -- 1 go through with this or I can leave or... 2 Q. Hold on. I'm sorry to interrupt. So he had 2 A. Yeah, I did think of that. 3 on a pink robe, came in — 3 Q. Why did you not? A. No. lie had on a white robe. We were sitting 4 A. I already figured I was halfway in it and I. 5 on his pink couch. S you know... 6 Q. Thank you. Was he wearing anything underneath 6 Q. Okay. So I've already kind of done the worst 7 his robe or 7 part - A. No. And as I said, he laid on — afterwards, 8 A. Right. 9 we talked fora second, introduced ourselves, he just -- 9 Q. — I might as well finish it up? 10 Q. When he got on the table, did you see him 10 A. Exactly. 11 Deiced or did he always have a towel or the robe on, or 11 Q. Pm sorry to interrupt. Please go on. 12 how did that work? 12 A. After we were done massaging him, we massaged 13 A. Well, when he was getting on the table, he 13 him for like 30 minutes, he -- he would talk to he 14 took his robe off and he had nothing underneath there. 14 talked to us like here and there in between his phone 15 And so he definitely exposed himself getting onto the 15 calls. After we ws. done massaging him, he asked 16 table. And then while we gave him the massage, he put a 16 — he asked a. to leave the room. She left the 17 towel, like, you know, on -- across on like his butt 17 room and waited downstairs. And after she left the 18 kind of. 18 room, he asked me to, like, stand next to him and 19 Q. Okay. AndIS was still with you at this 19 like — I can't explain it. If he was laying down, just 20 point? 20 stand next to him where his arm would be, like, right 21 A. Yes. 21 next to him, and he wanted me to rub his chest. 22 Q. Okay. And how did the introductions go? Did 22. Q. Okay. 23 that increase your anxiety, relieve it any, just... 23 A. And he wanted me to squeeze and penetrate his 24 A. 11 kind of -- it increased it. 24 nipples as he penetrated himself and — 25 Q. Okay. 25 Q. Hold on one second. Penetrate himself, you 8 (Pages 147 to 150; PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Rieeittl (601-280-428-9381) 2411de044-bdbUfa0-9143-60alkinitfcl35 EFTA01076076 Page 151 Page 153 1 have to explain that one to me. 1 this is seven years now, six years. 2 A. Oh, I mean, you know, jack off. 2 A. Exactly. So rm trying to put the pieces back 3 Q. Okay. Because when I think penetrate himself, 3 together as much as p0SSible. 4 I was wondering if - 4 Q. Okay. And, again, if there is something 5 A. Right, i said that wrong. 5 you're not sure on, feel free to say that. 6 Q. -- he's sticking something in his rectum — or 6 A. Okay. 7 sucking on — 7 Q. I don't want to put words in your mouth. 8 A. No, no. I didn't mean that, I'm sorry. 8 A. Right. 9 Q. That's why i said. I wanted to make sure. 9 Q. All right So he went until he climaxed. Did 10 It may sound silly, but do you know which hand 10 he have tissues or did he clean himself off with a 11 was he using? 11 towel, or — 12 A. i would assume it was his right because i was 12 A. Well, another thing was is before he came in 13 standing on his left side and he would 13 or when he came in — no, before he came in, there was with his other hand, with his left hand. 14 - no, when he came in, he would set his like, he had 15 Q. So while you're massaging his chest and 15 a shower and lace a spa thing and you can walk — they 16 pinching his nipples, he had a hand leached around and 16 are nip next to each other, so he had — its kind of 17 was grabbing you? 17 like timed out where, like, when he walked in, he would 18 A. He would reach around and grab me. 18 set it, and then basically when he was done climaxing or 19 Q. And with his other hand he was touching 19 whatever, i believe he came in his hand because i didn't 20 himself? 20 see him use a towel or anything like that, and... 21 A. Correct. 21 Q. Did you see the semen, or... 22 Q. Did he have a towel on at this time? 22 A. No. Me I said, i really wasn't -- 23 A. No. 23 Q. You weren't looking down there? 24 Q. So he was totally naked? 24 A. Right. 25 A. Correct. 25 Q. And this may be a silly question, and if rtn Page 152 Page 154 1 Q. All right. Was there anything shocking about 1 off base, I just apologize, just bear with me. Do you 2 his appearance? 2 know how he was holding it? I mean, was he — I'm just 3 A. I mean, I didn't pay much attention to his 3 trying to imagine somebody coming into their hand and 4 private area. I was trying not to. I mean, when I was 4 not having it visible. I mean, was he holding the 5 massaging him, he seemed like he kept up with himself, 5 shaft, or was it one hand over and doing something like 6 he didn't seemed dirty or anything like that. 6 this? Q. Was there anything abnormal about his penis or 7 A. i think he was just going like this -- 8 any scars or tattoos or in this case 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. No. I didn't -- 9 A. -- and when he was going to come, I think he 10 Q. — that was surprising? 10 just held it. I'm not really sure. 11 A. No, I didn't. But like i said, i wasn't 11 Q. Okay. At any time, were you fearful for your 12 really staring at his penis so i really don't know. 12 life? 13 Q. Okay. Where were you looking? 13 A. No, never fearful. 14 A. I was looking in his face or trying to, like, 14 Q. And when he was kind of grabbing you, were you 15 look away, but he liked to make eye contact. 15 clothed at that time, unclothed? 16 Q. Okay. And he was on the phone fora while. 16 A. No, i wasn't. I didn't have clothes on. 17 Did he ever make small talk with you? 17 Q. At what point of the massage did you take your 18 A. Yeah, in between. 18 clothes off? 19 Q. What were some of the things he would talk to 19 A. Like, halfway through the massage. 20 you about? 20 Q. And did he ask you to do that or was that 23. A. Where did i work, i think maybe. i mean, 21 something.. started to do and you just followed suit? 22 there's various, many times we had small talk and i 22 A. No, he asked us to take our clothes off. 23 honestly can't pinpoint what exactly he said on the 23 Q. What in particular did he ask? 24 first time. 24 A. Ile asked us to take our clothes off 25 Q. Fair enough. And I know sometimes -- again, 25 Q. So he said please get naked or did he say take 9 (Pages 151 to 154 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. ( iIIIIIIIIIII Electronically signed by Jenne RIcclutl (601-280-428-9381) 248(14044-bdbf-Ofa0-9143-5049476ffd36 EFTA01076077 Page 155 Page 157 1 your tops off or would you like to get more comfortable? 1 Q. Okay. So that's 30 times ova about a three 2 A. No. Tt was more like probably, would you like 2 year period? 3 to be — I don't think — 'think he just asked us to 3 A. Uh-huh. 4 take our clothes off, to be honest. 4 Q. I'm just trying to think ofhow the math works 5 Q. Okay. And you took off your underwear as 5 out. So that would be and again, he may be traveling 6 well? 6 too, so would it be like a once-a-week type thing 7 A. The first time I did not take my underwear 7 or would it be when he was in town every day? 8 off. 8 A. Right, like or sometimes he would call 9 Q. So when that first time, 9 me when he was on the plane coming back, ■ call me 10 you still had underwear on? 10 when he was leaving, tell me when he would come back. I 11. A. I did, right. 11 mean, sometimes it would be once a week, sometimes it 12 Q. And your top was on — I mean, the bra on or 12 would be four times a week. Sometimes he would want me 13 off? 13 to bring girls, sometimes he would want me to bring 14 A. I had no bra. I was just in my underwear, no 14 myself, you know. 15 socks, no shoes, no nothing. lust underwear. 15 Q. Did you ever bring anybody else? 16 Q. Gat you. Bad joke but, you know, ifs like 16 A. Yes. 17 the Army visit where they say take everything off but 17 Q. Okay. How wary people do you think you 18 your socks just so you're not fully naked. 18 brought? 19 Okay. When he reached around and grabbed you, 19 A. 1 brought quite a few people. A guesstimate 20 did you ask him not to do that or don't hold tight or -- 20 amount, I'd probably say 25 to 30 girls at least. 21 A. It honestly came as a surprise. I wasn't 21 Q. Okay. And that's best guess? 22 really expecting that so I didn't really say anything 22 A. Right. 23 because I didn't know what to say. 23 Q. Where did you find these girls? 24 Q. Okay. When it was over, how did you get paid? 24 A. House parties, people I had known for a while, 25 A. He had already given M. the money. 25 friends that 1 had {mew. Page 156 Page 158 1 Q. And do you know if.. got paid extra for 1 Q. What are your house parties like now? 2 bringing someone new? 2 A. Normally, like especially in Wellington, which 3 A. Yeah. 1 believe she got paid $200. 3 is a nicer part of town, you know, rich parents go out Q. Did she also get paid for the part massage or 4 of town, leave the kids at home, you know, the kids — 5 was it just $200 for it? 5 everybody would be drinking the parents' liquor and 6 A. She got 200 and I got 200. 6 getting all wild and crazy. 7 Q. Okay. What did you do with the money? 7 Q. And when is the first time you think you went 8 A. At the time, I was living at n's house, and 8 to one of those types of parties? 9 1 didn't really have — well, I wasn't really living 9 A. Probably when I was 15. Like, when I stopped 10 there yet, but it was when we first became friends, so 1 10 going to school. 11 was over there a lot, and I basically wont and I 11 Q. When you say you went about 30 to 50 times, is 12 bought — I bought food, I bought underwear, I bought 12 that just when you gave the massage or does that include 13 just, I guess, survival, things you need to survive, 13 when you brought someone? 14 things you need. 14 A. That includes when I brought someone and by 15 Q. Okay. How many times do you think you went? 15 myself. 16 A. I couldn't answer that only because I went a 16 Q. And when you brought someone, did you also 17 lot. I went numerous times. 17 massage, or was it kind ofjust -- 18 Q. Bear with me, I appreciate that answer 18 A. Sometimes he would want me in there and 19 because, again, I don't want to hold you to a number 19 sometimes he wouldn't. 20 that's not accurate. Ballparking it for me, 5, 10, 50, 20 Q. Out of those 30 to 50 times, is it worth 21 100? 21 trying to go through each time, or is there certain 22 A. I would say anywhere between 30 to 50 times. 22 times that just stand out more in your memory now? 23 Q. Okay. And over how long ofa period did you 23 A. There are definitely certain times that stand 24 go? 24 out more than others. 25 A. I went from when 1 was 15 to probably 18. 25 Q. Okay. Why don't you kind of tell me about the 10 (Pages 155 to 158) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Rlcciuti (401-280-4284381) 248d00444dbf4fa0-9143-5049476f(d35 EFTA01076078 Page 159 Page 161 1 ones that stand out. 1 Q. Did you ever cancel an appointment with him? 2 A. One time I went, I was by myself, and we went 2 A. Many times. 3 through the whole massage and I was adjusting my 3 Q. Any other times that stood out? 4 underwear the whole time. He was on the phone, as 4 A. Yeah, actually. 5 normally. Most of the time he was on the phone. He 5 Q. Actually, I apologize. Before we get there, 6 would try to make sane small talk in between, but 6 you said you canceled many times. What would be some of 7 sometimes he wouldn't. And I massaged him and when it 7 the reasons why you would cancel? 8 was time for him to flip over and ejaculate or whatever, 8 A. Well, towards the end of this whole shindig. 9 and I had my underwear on. And when I stood next to 9 everything that had happened, he became — he would get 10 him, he asked me to take my underwear oO and it was 10 very frustrated with me. He would call me and say this 11 almost like I didn't want to, but for some reason I kind 11 irl I said I was going to bring and 12 of felt obligated as if that was the right thing to do 12 canceled out on me, and he — and it was time for 13 or it was okay to do it, and I took my underwear off. 13 roe to go and I called and said, listen, this girl is not 14 And then as I was taking my underwear off, he went and 14 picking up, I'm supposed to go pick her up in the cab 15 he got — looked as if it was like a back massager, like 15 but she's not picking up ha phone so I don't really 16 a big round back massager. And as I stood next to him, 16 know what to do. Pm being stood up, therefore, you're 17 as he was 17 being stood up. I mean, there's — I canceled on a lot 18 of times because a lot of girls would chicken out and 19 not want to go and not want to go through with it, which e. I did not want to do it and I did 20 is obvious and for obvious reasons, and he would get 21 not really know how to say no. It was kind of awkward, 21 frustrated with me, mad. Like, at the end, he really 22 made it feel like it was oka and normal and natural. 22 was, like, you could tell that he had a problem with it. 23 And so he was tacking off 23 And that's pretty much why I stopped even going to him 24 and it would be ova 24 because, at the end, he Just was like almost yelling at 25 with. 25 me, like, you know for not bringing him girls, underaged Page 160 Page 162 1 Q. Okay. I know this is going to be difficult to 1 girls. 2 talk about, but I just want to make sure. You initially 2 Q. And bear with me. There's various types of 3 used the word penetrate. You've used it once or twice 3 yelling-- before when it wasn't exactly appropriate. I want to 4 (Interruption in the proceedings.) make sure 5 DR. HALL: Yeah? Come in. 6 6 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: I have to change the tape. A. Yeah, but there was times where — there's 7 (A brief recess was taken.) 3 been another time where 8 BY DR. HALL: 9 9 Q. We just took a little break there, had a phone 10 Q. Okay. And we'll get to that one. 10 call. Just wondering whoacre talking to. 11 A. Okay. 11 A. I was talking with 12 Q. But just with this time here, nothing was 12 Q. 13 inserted? 13 A. Yes. 14 A. Right. 14 Q. Okay. So just before we went to the break or 15 Q. Okay. How often had you gone before that time 15 the tape needing to be changed out, you talked about you 16 it happened? 16 had to cancel several times. 17 A. That was a while after. It seemed like every 17 A. Right. 18 time I went, it got — he tried to — it was a little 18 Q. And that towards the end he would start 19 bit more lenient and more lenient and more lenient and 19 yelling at you. 20 more lenient. So that was probably maybe my, I don't 20 A. Uh-huh. 21 know, fifth or sixth time going. 21 Q. I think I was in the middle of asking. you 22 Q. Okay. Did you notice that at the time? 22 know, there's different types of yelling, so what do you 23 A. Notice what at the time? 23 mean when you say yelling? 24 Q. That it was progressively going nether? 24 A. Not even really like screaming, almost just 25 A. Yeah, I did kind ofnotice that. 25 like using -- bcc:auk: he talks -- he seems to talk very 11 (Pa )es 159 to 162 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Malted (6014804284381) 2413cte044-bdbfaa0.143450a9a781105 EFTA01076079 Page 163 Page 165 1 soft and it was just a louder voice that he would use, I 1 actually a better time of all the times that he didn't 2 suppose you could say. He sounded very frustrated. 3 Q. Did he ever threaten you? r whatever, but afterwards he htad me 4 A. No, he never threatened me. sit in the sauna with him, and he was explaining that 5 Q. And I know I asked the first time you went, 5 how good it is for you. I don't know exactly what it 6 you said that you were fearful of your life. Any other 6 does now. He was explaining -- 7 times in your life that you were fearful that some 7 Q. How good the sauna was for you? 8 physical harm may come to you or something bad may occur 8 A. Correct, yes. 9 to you? 9 And then after we stayed — we stayed in the 10 A. No. He never gave me that impression that 10 sauna for a certain amount of time, he explained how it 11 anything -- that he was going to hurt me, no. 11 opened up your pores, and then we went into the shower 12 Q. Okay. And I apologize, I don't mean to derail 12 and and used certain, I guess, 13 you. You were about to talk about one of the other 13 stuff that's good r your n or whatever and he 14 times that stood out. 14 explained it all to me. So we took a shower together on 15 A. Yeah. I believe I was saying probably when 15 one occasion. 16 he I don't know, if l ever — I don't think we got to 16 And then there was another occasion where I 17 talk about when he fingered me or 17 went there and I massaged him and he asked me by this 18 Q. No. We talked about when he used the vibrator 18 time, it was at the point where he want( really having 19 on you about the fifth or sixth time 19 to ask me to take offmy clothes. I kind of knew when 20 A. Right. 20 he wanted me to take offmy clothes or whatever. So as 21 Q. And then I think you were going to start on 21 soon as I started, like five minutes into the massage, I 22 that. 22 started taking off my clothes and I gave him like a 23 A. Right And then a couple of times later that 23 30-minute massage. And then when it was time for him to 24 I had been there, the same thing occurred. He asked me 24 flip over, instead ofhim flipping over, he said hold on 25 to take off my underwear, and I really didn't want to, 25 a second and he walked out of the room, and he came back Page 164 Page 166 so I kept my underwear on. And still halfway through, 1 with some chic, I believe her name — I don't 2 he asked me to take my underwear off again. And in the 2 even know whatirrname was. She was exotic looking, very beginning, 1just kind of ignored it, acted Ince I 3 bleached blond hair, green eyes. She — I don't think 4 didn't hear it. And then when he asked me again, I took 4 she spoke English, not much. I remember her telling me 5 them off and, you know, he - at first, 5 she was 19 at the time. He had her come in and at first 6 6 he -- he had her lay down and he wanted Inc to straddle 7 7 her, so I straddled her, and then 9 10 11 But soon after that, like pretty much right 12 after he took his forgers out of me, he ejaculated, 13 14 Q. So you think 15 = 5? 16 A. Yeah. 17 Q. Okay. And you said 18 19 20 20 A. Correa, yes. 21 A. No, I don't. 21 And, you know, I just massaged her the whole 22 Q. Any other times stick out in your mind? 22 time and she was moaning and screaming and getting all 23 A. Yeah. There was another time where he 23 wild and crazy, an 24 actually — I was there by myself and I massaged him, 25 and, I mean he didn't really try to penetrate. It was 12 (Pages 163 to 166 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans RIcclutl (601-280428.9381) 248(110444:dbf-4190.143-60.9.76rid35 EFTA01076080 Page 167 Page 169 1 A. Correct. 1 2 Q. Okay. 2 3 A. And it was obvious she was definitely 3 4 climaxing or going to climax or whatever, and finally 4 5 when she was — she obviously did climax, I mean, you 5 6 know, !don't know, and I got off— I got off of her 6 7 and she went into the shower or in the sauna. And after 7 8 she went into the sauna and shut the door and sat on the 8 9 thing, he looked at me and he said, in a couple of 10 minutes, she's going to realize what happened or 10 11 something about either she is going to realize what 11 12 happened or -- something about she is going to realize 12 13 what happened and she is not going to believe it. 1 13 14 don't remember the exact words that were said, but it 14 15 was like, she's going to come to, you know -- what's the 15 16 word — reality in a little bit She is going to 16 17 realize what happened. He kind of laughed about it and 17 18 then he gave me a high five. I was like, you 'mow -- 18 19 then — 19 f 20 Q. Meaning that she was on drugs or that that was 20 people. 21 such an overwhelming experience or pleasure for her? 21 Q. Okay. And was this -- 22 A. I'm assuming it was such a wonderful pleasure 22 A. And he knew about it I went to his house 23 for her. 23 probably about two or three days after that, 24 Q. Okay. 24 25 A. That's how it sounded more so to me. 25 Page 168 Page 170 1 Q. Thank you for clarifying that because that 1 2 could go either way. 3 A. Right, okay. 4 And there was another time. Do you want me to 5 tell you about that? Q. Was this e at a c 6 Q. I just have a quick question because 1 asked 6 A. No, this was a house party. 7 earlier what your preference was, and you said men. 7 Q. How old were you when this happened? 8 Have you ever had any other experiences with a woman 8 A. Probably close to 17. 9 before? 9 Q. Okay. And was there and I'm assuming 10 A. No. 10 fighting with you, not against you? 11 Q. So this was the first — was this the only 11. A. Yeah. She wasrft — she was trying to help 12 time you were with or were there other times you 12 out. 13 were with her? 13 Q. 14 A. No, that was the only time with her. 15 Q. And any other experiences afterwards with any 16 other woman? 17 A. No. 18 Q. No? Okay. 19 So please go on 19 was 1 over? 20 A. Then there was another occasion where this 20 A. Who knows. I don't even really know how it 21 was — this was before that happened with the — that 21 escalated and how it started, honestly. 22 girl. 22 Q. Were the police ever called? 23 Q. Okay. 23 A. No. Weird enough, no. And they should have 24 A. But I gave the massage, he flipped over, 1 24 been, definitely. 25 stood on the side of him like always, and he did ask me 25 ... Okalyid you have any problems afterwards? Q. 13 (Pages 167 to 170) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joana Ricciuti (601-280.428.9381) 2A8de044-bdbf4fa0414340a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076081 Page 171 1 I mean, sometimes when people are attacked like that, 2 they have issues. 3 A. No. 4 Q. No? Okay. 5 So again, I apologize. Missing half your he asked for 1 9 Q. And did he ever ask you to get high before you 10 came over, or was that something you just did on your 11 own? 12 A. That's something I did on my own. He never 13 asked me to be hi • or 'n like that. 14 23 Q. So just so I understand in terms of the 24 experiences you had, there was the massaging him and 25 pinching his nipples. You did touch him at one time to Page 172 Page 1 1 2 A. No. 2 Q. Let me jump back a little bit here and just 3 Q. No? Okay. 3 kind of ask you about some of the anxiety and things 4 He would masturbate, though, in front of 4 like that. S You — 5 A. Okay. S A. Correct 6 Q. Actually, let me start with the depression. 7 Q. - with the towel off? 7 We mentioned you had the episode after two of your 8 A. Yes. 8 friends passed away around this year, 2008-ish, 9 Q. And then he would ask you to look him in the 9 2009-ish. 10 eyes when he was doing it? 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 A. Right. Well, he never really asked me to look 11 Q. Have you ever had any episodes like that 12 in his eyes, but he liked to make eye contact. It 12 before? 13 seemed like every time be would, you know, get off, it 13 A. No. 14 was when we were making eye contact and he thought he 14 Q. No? Okay. 15 was pleasuring me, which most of the time --all the 15 So that was the kind of only depressive 16 time I was acting. 16 episode you've had? 17 17 A. Corned. 18 18 Q. And if I remember correctly, you said your 19 19 sleep was problematic? 20 20 A. Yeah. 21 21 Q. Okay. Your interests had decreased? 22 22 A. Uh-huh. 23 23 Q. You were experiencing some guilt in the notion 24 24 of if I had been there with him more, and - 25 A. Now we're talking about my friends that are 14 (Pages 171 to 174) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Medan (601.280-428. 9381) 2Ailds044-bdbf-afa0-9143-50e9a76ffd35 EFTA01076082 Page 175 Page 177 1 deceased9 1 agree with that. 2 Q. Right. 2 Q. Well, I meant the ones you've dated and your 3 A. Okay. 'just wanted to make sure we were not 3 friends as well at the same time. 4 talking about Jeffrey Epstein. 4 A. Right. 5 Q. No. We were talking about the depression you 5 Q. Okay. And then the anxiety, you said is -- 6 had in 2008/2009. 6 comes in discreet periods? 7 A. Okay. 7 A. Right And this anxiety, and I mean all my 8 Q. You felt your energy was lower than usual? 8 post traumatic -- every symptom, I wish I would have 9 A. Correct. 9 brought the paper to show you from my therapist 10 Q. Your concentration, had that changed at all? 10 Q. It would be — 11 A. Yeah. I had a lack of concentration. 11 A. - it would have been definitely nice to have 12 Q. Okay. Can you give me an example ofhow you 12 that, but I mean this was April of two or three years 13 had that? 13 ago before any of this happened with any ofmy friends 14 A. I just felt numb as if l wasn't — I couldn't 14 that she diagnosed me with all of those problems with 15 think at all. 15 post traumatic stress disorder and, you know, the 16 Q. Okay. Were you still able to like read a 16 flashbacks and the anxiety. So I don't know what she 17 newspaper article and understand it or watch a sitcom 17 really... 18 and keep track of who the characters were? 18 Q. Okay. Let me try and go through a few things 19 A. Yeah. 19 here. Now, do you think the panic periods you were 20 Q. So you weren't as sharp as usual, but you 20 having are separate from or related to the post 21 could function if you needed to? 21 traumatic stress? 22 A. Correct. 22 A. No, I definitely think it's related. 23 Q. Okay. And appetite, you said it decreased? 23 Q. Okay. And why do you think ifs related? 24 A. Right. Yes, I lost weight. 24 A. Because a lot of times if Pm ifI'm 25 Q. Okay. And did you ever have any periods where 25 watching the news or even watching the Simpsons, which Page 176 Page 178 1 you felt physically, like you couldn't move as fast as 1 you know — 2 you used to or your thoughts felt slower than usual or 2 Q. Everybody likes the Simpsons, so - 3 people commented that you were talking slower than 3 A. And Jeffrey. Jeffrey knew people well, he usual? 4 didn't like the Simpsons. lie know the guy who did the A. No. I mean, every period I feel like, you 5 voices or whatever, and he talked to me about that, and know, crap SO... 6 we had a whole blown discussion — he didn't know who Q. And no thoughts of suicide? 7 the Simpsons were. I was the one that said, well, who A. No. 8 are you talking about, Bart and Maggie? He was like, 9 Q. And that lasted for two months? 9 yeah, you know. So ifs like sometimes I'll be sitting 10 A. Give or take. 10 there at home and I'm watching the news and the Simpsons 11 Q. Give or take, okay. 11 come on and Pm like I just start thinking of Jeffrey 12 Now, you just mentioned your menstrual cycle. 12 and it's almost like I get mad, sad, anxiety. Then I 13 13 feel kind of like dirty towards myself. It's just a 14 combination of things. 'tries of 15 Q. Okay. Has there ever been a period of time 16 menses is — 16 when you weren't able to work due to your symptoms? 17 A. Yeah, I'm crazy, just probably like any other 17 A. Yeah. 18 women. 18 Q. When was that? 19 Q. Okay. So you do have a little more 19 A. That was when I worked at The Bagel Shop. 20 emotionality, but you don't think it's any more severe 20 That's when it was kind of the most — that's when 21 or any less severe than the average woman? 21 realty a lot of the flashbacks would come because, like 22 A. Right, exactly. 22 I said, there would be a lot ofolder Jewish guys that 23 Q. Maybe it's an unfair question, but do you 23 resembled him a lot Even my own uncle, my Uncle. 24 think your boyfriends would agree with that? 24 resembles him a lot, and it was very, very awkward 25 A. Yeah. I have a couple of friends that would 25 because I hadn't Seta him since I was six, so seeing my 15 (Pages 175 to 178) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Ricciuti (801.280.428-9381) 248c1.044.bdbf-Ma0.9143-60a9a7M35 EFTA01076083 Page 179 Page 181 1 Uncle and being older and him looking almost like 1 Q. Any issues with being more easily startled? 2 Jeffrey Epstein was like it like disgusted me. I felt 2 A. Yes. 3 like I coultket look at my own uncle in the face and I 3 Q. When did that start? 4 couldn't tell him why, you know. 4 A. Probably a lot of my emotions started when, 5 Q. Did you actually miss days or was it like I 5 you know, i dated El and I got sober because being on 6 need two or three minutes here? 6 drugs, you have no emotion and you're numb, so not only 7 A. No. It was I think I needed to take a break 7 to the world, but to your feelings and to who you are. 8 for a little bit, if you could have somebody cover my 8 So I believe when, you know, l stopped using, I — 9 shifts. 9 that's when all these emotions started coming out, 10 Q. I'm sorry, shifts meaning four or five hour 10 really, all at once. 11 periods of time, or do you mean just cover this table 11 Q. Can you give me an example of how you would 12 for ten minutes? 12 have a startled response? 13 A. No. Like I'm going to take today off, and if 13 A. I mean, I don't know, I'm just very easily -- 14 you could have cover my shifts or work for me 14 I just get easily slanted. I can't really give you an 15 today, I'd greatly appreciate it. 15 example of it right now. 16 Q. How often did that occur? 16 Q. Okay. How much caffeinated beverages do you 17 A. Probably like two, three times a month. 17 drink? I forgot to ask you that. 18 Q. And were you — did you ever lose your job for 18 A. Actually, I probably drink a cup, two cups of 19 taking that much time off? 19 coffee in the morning. And honestly, I don't drink 20 A. I had a very open relationship with the 20 soda. I drink a lot of water. 21 manager. I had worked with her prior at another 21 Q. Any Red Bull or energy drinks or... 22 restaurant, and she knew that my work ethics were good, 22 A. No. 23 that Pm not a slacker, I don't, you know -- she knew my 23 Q. Okay. Do you see things there are kind of 24 work ethics. So when, you know, I tried talking to her 24 two kinds of phenomenon. One thing is called a panic 25 and telling her, you know, I'm having a little bit of a 25 attack, and you described some symptoms which sounds Page 180 Page 182 1 problem here, you know, I don't really want to go into 1 similar to a panic attack. Do you ever have times where detail, she didn't really ask much questions. So no, 1 2 you will have your heart rate increase or breathing or 3 wasn't in fear of my job being in any... 3 feeling flush or things like that that isn't a full Q. And would you avoid anything or people that 4 blown panic attack? 5 reminded you of him? S A. i don't know what you mean by that. 6 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay, so if you saw the Simpsons, would you Q. What would you avoid? 7 just have your heart rate go up but not get the sweaty 8 A. Just somebody that looked like him. The guy, 8 palms, the choking, the trouble talking — 9 Leo, I told you about, I would always avoid him because 9 A. Right. Yeah, no. I mean, not necessarily 10 he kind of talked like him. 10 every time I think about him or every time that there is 11 Q. Okay. Did you ever think of just leaving The 11. something that reminds me of him, it's not every time i 12 Bagel Shop then if it was -- 12 think of him I don't feel Lice that but for the most 13 A. Yeah, but when you're making $150 a day just, 13 pact, I do. 14 you know, slinging eggs, pretty much, you know, you 14 Q. My trouble with sleep? 15 don't want to lose your job for -- i mean, and it goes 15 A. Not really. i mean, on occasion I'll have 16 as far as The Bagel Shop, too. I don't even use Bath & 16 . hke — I can't fall asleep hem and there but I think 1? Body Works lotion. I don't even step into Bath & Body 17 that's normal for everybody once in a while. 18 Works anymore just for the simple fact of that smell 18 Q. Okay. Have you ever had panic attacks when 19 reminds me of him. Like, there's many things. It's 19 there wasn't something that reminded you of him, just in 20 just not —1'm just using The Bagel Shop as a very good 20 general? 21 example because that's — 21 A. Yeah, i guess I have. 22 Q. I appreciate that. I'm actually writing that 22 Q. Can you give me an example of when that 23 down, Bath & Body Works. 23 happens? 24 Any issues with nightmares? 24 A. Really, like I guess, for example, I threw my 25 A. No, not really. 25 girlfriend a bachelorette party not too long ago, like 16 (Pages 179 to 182) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Rlcciuti (601.280428.9381) 248de044-bdbf-4(80-91434099976f(d36 EFTA01076084 Page 183 Page 185 1 on September 15th or something like that, and before 1 number at the time? 2 everybody was coining to arrive, I had a surprise limo 2 A. No, ifs pretty -- it's maintained, definitely 3 for her and stuff like that. I was waiting for 3 ifs the same. It hasn't gotten any better. Maybe if I 4 everybody to come and it was getting close to the time 4 was financially able to go see a doctor to be provided 5 and I was kind of freaking out a linle bit. I felt 5 meds of some sort to help whatever issues that Pm going 6 like that. My hands were sweating and my heart was 6 through, then maybe it would be better right now, but I 7 racing and stuff like that So that's an example of one 7 just haven't had a chance to - 8 time. 8 Q. And your therapist has suggested which 9 Q. Bachelorette is one word I can never spell 9 medicines? 10 right. 10 A. She has not suggested any meds. She has just 11 When we were talking about the reliving, have 11 written out my symptoms and what she has taken in from 12 you ever had a period oflime where you felt as if it 12 it and wrote it down on a piece of paper and told me to 13 was happening again? I mean, down to I physically feel 13 see a doctor. But the doctor she recommended me to is 14 like I'm there right this minute, right now, the smells, 14 very expensive so... 15 the touch, the feeling, everything feels like that 15 Q. And who did she recommend you to? 16 versus I'm just having a remembrance of it? 16 A. I don't remember the name offhand. 17 A. Yes. 17 Q. Have you looked up any of these things on the 18 Q. Okay. And that would be which time? 18 Internet? 19 A. There's been times where after I had that 19 A. Looked up mire? 20 procedure with the molar pregnancy, after that happened, 20 Q. Blood pressure, post traumatic stress 21 me and =really weren't having a lot of sex because 21 disorders, you said you've been diagnosed with that. 22 1 was honestly very scared of getting pregnant because 22 Have you looked any of that up? 23 we were using protection and it didn't work before, so I 23 A. I believe it means it's due to a traumatic 24 was really nervous. 24 event that's happened in your life prior. 25 And there was one time where he was, you know, 25 Q. Okay. Page 184 Page 186 trying to be romantic or whatever and he lit candles and 1 A. That's what I got out ofit 2 stuff like that and he was massaging me and I just -- I 2 Q. Yeah, but have you looked up what the symptoms 3 closed my eyes and, I mean, it just — I told -- I felt 3 are, what the time course is or what the treatments are 4 like I was totally reliving -- Ince, when I closed my 4 for? 5 eyes,!felt like -- you know, he was trying to be 5 A. No. 6 sexual as well so he was touchingme and everything else 6 Q. Why not? 7 just like any man and female that are together would. 7 A. lust because I have faith in my therapist and 3 As he was massaging me and it just definitely, 8 I trust her word, and if that's what she believes is 9 definitely freaked me out to the point where I was 9 wrong with me, I trust her on it. 10 crying and told him to stop and I had to explain to him 10 Q. Okay. Now, when you had the molar pregnancy, 11 after I took a shower and gathered myself, I had to 11 did you look up anything about that? 12 explain to him what happened. 12 A Definitely. 13 Q. Any change with the symptoms or frequency over 13 Q. Okay. So why look up that one but not this 14 time? 14 one? 15 A. What do you mean? 15 A. Well, only because I had — if my therapist 16 Q. Meaning, like, you said the times with • 16 wrote it out saying, hey, this is what you have and, you 17 when you stopped using the drugs was particularly 17 know, whatever, and I just confided in her. She she 18 emotional for you. That was about two or three years 18 went over — she went over it with me and I'm sure 19 ago? 19 that's probably who — ! don't — I mean, I didn't look 20 A. Right. 20 it up only because I kind of figured that's what it was, 21 Q. Is it still as bad as when you first stopped 21. I guess, I don't )(now. But I looked up the molar 22 the drugs as it is now? 22 because that's my body and everything else. I'm not 23 A. Oh, definitely. 23 saying that that's not my body, but I don't !mow how to 24 Q. There's not been any change in the frequency 24 explain it. 25 or rate or number of panic attacks you've had or the 25 Q. Okay. Do you have any problems remembering OPOPOWSSZ....0. 5SKIIL - C1103.174kCJ.A:JY1•44•4-0a .)61.a0,...`11..•3 17 (Pages 183 to 186) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jean. RIcelutl (0014804264381) 24565014.1bdbtafa0-9143-50a9a765:136 EFTA01076085 Page 187 Page 189 1 anything that happened while you were there? 1 people not washing their hands, but i think that might 2 A. Yes, I do. 2 be nonnal, Pm not sure. i don't think I'm OCD or 3 Q. What? Can you give me an example of that? 3 anything like that. 4 A. I remember — I forgot a lot of the girls I 4 Q. Okay. So no rituals or things you have to 5 brought. I'm sure after I leave here, there's going to 5 engage in before you have to leave the house? 6 be things that i forgot to tell you. It happens with me 6 A. No. 7 and my lawyer all the time. 7 Q. No patterns, tapping, counting in your head, 8 Q. Why do you think you forget filings -- 8 gennophobia, any phobias? 9 A. I don't know. A. Not really. 10 Q. Is that just kind ofnormal forgetting it was 10 Q. Okay. Have you ever been in a psychiatric 11 six years ago and it was just a person — 11 hospital? 12 A. Well, it's definitely something i tried to 12 A. Yes. 13 block out ofmy life. 13 Q. When was that? 14 Q. Okay. So you've tried to intentionally not 14 A. I was probably maybe 17. 15 think about it? 15 Q. And what led you to being admitted? 16 A. And forget about it. 16 A. Honestly, I'm not --1believe I'm not really 17 Q. Okay. Any issues with irritability or anger? 17 sae what it was about. I think -- I'm not really sure 18 A. Yes. 18 why - why even, why I was even there. 19 Q. Can you give me an example? 19 Q. Okay. Do you know what your diagnosis was? 20 A. I have a very short tempered. 20 A. I really don't know. I could have been a 21 Q. Okay. Have you always been that way or is 21 little bit younger. I could have been 16. 22 that a new change? 22 Q. Okay. And did they treat you with any 23 A. I've been that way for quite a while. 23 medications while you were there? 24 Q. I mean, like a girl were you that way? 24 A. They might have. it was in Fort Lauderdale. 25 A. Huh? 25 I really -- honestly, i really don't even remember what Page 188 Page 190 1 Q. Like a girl were you that way when you were, 1 it was about. 2 like, ten? 2 Q. And do you remember the name of the place? 3 A. No, I probably started being really crazy when 3 A. No. 1could try to find out. 4 I was like 16. 4 Q. Okay. Were you voluntarily committed or 5 Q. What do you mean by really crazy? 5 involuntarily committed? 6 A. Not really crazy, but I just — I didn't 6 A. I don't remember, honestly. I really don't. 7 really tolerate anybody disrespecting me or if I thought 7 Q. Okay. Do you blow what a Baker Act is or a 8 1 was being disrespected or talked down to or anything 8 Marchman Act? 9 like that, I just really don't tolerate it. Still to 9 A. Yes, I do. 10 this day, I won't stand for it. 10 Q. Were you ever Baker Acted — 11 Q. Okay. And do you think that's related to 11 A. You loam what, I think that's exactly what it 12 Jeffrey or do you think that's the same way you would 12 was, is that I — when I got out ofCARP and I was doing 13 have been anyway? 13 that, l still -- I slatted using again, and my brother, 14 A. I believe it's a little bit of both. 14 my brother -- brother's girlfriend was pregnant at the 15 Q. Okay. Do you have any periods where you've 15 time, and he told me she was having difficulties with 16 hallucinated? 16 the pregnancy and then he took me to St. Mays, and I 17 A. On a period hallucinating? 17 got out and they took me to like the ward part of it and 18 Q. No, periods of time where you hallucinated. 18 they admitted me and then they took me from there to 19 A. Oh, okay. Sony, I misunderstood that 19 Fort Lauderdale is what happened. 20 Not seeing stuff that wasn't there or nothing 20 Q. Okay. 21 like that, no. 21 A. That's exactly what happened. i... 22 Q. Have you ever heard things or any issues with 22 Q. So you think you were Baker Acted then or 23 like OCD? Are you familiar with that term? 23 Madman Acted? It's a little different. 24 A. Yes, I definitely — yes, I do. I found here 24 A. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 25 and there, i have certain things that do bother me, like 25 Q. You just know it was one of those two? 18 (Pages 187 to 190) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Facelift, (601.280.128.9381) 2413cto044-bdbf4ta0-9143-50a9a7Mtd35 EFTA01076086 Page 191 Page 193 1 A. It could have been, I don't know. 1 A. Sometimes. 2 Q. Fair enough. 2 Q. Constantly? 3 A. I do not 3 A- Constantly. 4 Q. put down not sure if. 4 Q. And when you have those experiences, were you 5 A. Yeah. 5 using substances? 6 Q. How long were you in for? 6 A. No. 7 A. I think for like a week. 7 Q. Okay. And what were you usually thinking of 8 Q. Any problems or any complications while you during those times? 9 were there? A. Just evaytbing. My — my rent is due, this 10 A. No. 10 is due, my — I've got to take my dog to the vet, I've 11 Q. Ever try to commit suicide? :1 got to fix my car, I need new tires. I guess life, I 12 A. No. 12 don't know, in general. 13 Q. Any accidental overdoses, intentional 13 Q. But ifs racing? 14 overdoses, cutting behavior? 14 A. Racing. 15 A. No. 15 Q. Racing? Okay. 16 Q. Ever burn yourself with cigarettes or things 16 Periods of grandiosity where you feel extra 17 like that? 17 good, I'm going to be rich, I'm going to be famous, Ern 18 A. No. 18 going to control the world? 19 Q. Ever feel like you need to be punished? 19 A. Yeah, oh-huh. 20 A. No. 20 Q. And how long does that last for? 21 Q. Okay. Any difficulties with memories, 21 A. Sometimes — I mean, sometimes I feel like 22 especially first thing in the morning? 22 that a lot and other times I don't, so... 23 A. I have difficulty with memory, not necessarily 23 Q. A week, two weeks, a month? 24 first thing in the morning. 24 A. Maybe a week, I would say. 25 Q. What do you think your memory difficulties 25 Q. And you have that at the same time that you Page 192 Page 194 1 are? 1 have the racing thoughts? 2 A. A lot of my childhood, a lot of my past 2 A. No, not generally. Normally, when I have 3 Q. Are there other pans of your life that you're 3 racing thoughts like that, I get stressed out. intentionally trying to forget? 4 Q. Okay. So the racing thoughts arc more A. I mean, other than my mother being an addict, 5 associated with the anxiety? 6 no. 6 A. Probably, if that's what that means. I 7 Q. I wrote on the back of a blank sheet there. 7 don't... 8 It never fails. It never fails. 8 Q. I mean, when you have them, it's periods where 9 Have you ever bad the opposite of depression 9 you feel anxious versus periods where you feel good and 10 where you felt really, really good, maybe too good? 10 you're on top of the world. 11 A. No. I feel normal. 11 A. Right. 12 Q. Have you ever tented faster than usual? 12 Q. Okay. Ever spend more money than you should? 13 A. Sometimes. 13 A. Yep. 14 Q. How long did that last for? 14 Q. How often do you do that? 15 A. Until I notice I'm talking a lot and fast. 15 A. A lot. 16 Q. Ever have periods where you need less sleep? 16 Q. When you do it, do you buy things you need or 17 A. No. I normally get the same try to get the 17 don't need? 18 same amount of hours of sleep. 18 A. A little bit of both. Most of the time I 19 Q. Any periods where your thoughts are going 19 spend out of my means, it's stuff I don't need, I can go 20 faster than usual or racing? 20 without. 21 A. Yes. 21 Q. Kind of intentionally or just I saw 40 shoes I 22 Q. How long does that last for? 22 liked so I picked up 40 pairs of shoes? 23 A. It varies. Maybe it's an hots, sometimes two 23 A. It's not outrageous like 40 pairs of shoes but 24 hours, sometimes it could be off and on all day. 24 it's I picked up something I liked. 25 Q. Kind of like three or four dals at a time? 25 Q. How often does that happen? 19 (Pages 191 to 194) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana RIcclutt (601.280428-9381) 2484:14044-bdbf4fa0-9143-6099a76ffd35 EFTA01076087 Page 195 Page 197 I A. Most of the time when I go shopping. 2 Q. Have you always been that way or are there 3 periods where ifs — 4 A. No, I've kind ofalways been that way. 5 Q. Okay. Do you have any thoughts or beliefs that others think are strange or tmusual? A. Not to my knowledge. 8 Q. Any concerns that somebody is out to get you 9 or harm you? 10 A. No, not really. I mean, when this whole 11 Jeffrey Epstein thing first went down and I found out he 12 was getting out and everything else, l was kind of 13 paranoid. I'm not saying that he ever threatened me or 14 anything like that, but he -- when I found out how 14 Q. How is your mood right now? 15 powerful of a man he was, that's very definitely 15 A. Tired. 16 intimidating, you know. 16 Q. On a scale from one to ten, with five being 17 Q. Around what point did you find that out? 17 normal, one being the most depressed you could ever 18 A. As soon as it was on the news, 18 imagine, ten being the best you ever felt, maybe too 19 multi-billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein, so... 19 good, where would you say you fall? 20 g Oka . Do you have any tattoos? 20 A. I would say probably a four. 21 A. 21 Q. And when you were in the midst of that 22 two-month depressive episode, how low was your mood? 23 A. I was -- 'would probably say I was pretty 24 depressed, so... 25 Are you talking about when T lost my friends? Page 196 Page 198 1 Q. Yes, when you lost your friends. 2 A. Yeah, I was depressed. So it was probably 3 lam a one or two. 4 Q. How is your anxiety right now on a one to ten 5 scale, one being no anxiety, ten being the worst anxiety Q. Does that say believe, or — 6 you could imagine? A. Yes, believe. 7 A. I would say in the beginning it was probably 3 Q. Any particular reason why you wore long 8 like a six, seven. Right now, it's like a four. 9 sleeves today? 9 Q. Okay. And on an average week, what would you 10 A. No. 10 say your kind of average anxiety was? 11 Q. Okay. So no cuts or scars or things like 11 A. I always have a little bit of anxiety in me, 12 that? 12 so I would say like a five. 13 A. No, I don't do any of that. I'm not shooting 13 Q. Okay. What do you think the average person on 14 up or anything like that on my spare time. I'm just 14 the street has? 15 kidding. 15 A. I don't know. 16 Q. No, that's actually what I was curious about, 16 Q. What are you usually anxious about? 17 so thank you. 17 A. Really, little things trigger it, and 18 A. No problem. 18 honestly, it doesn't make much sense to me. Sometimes 19 Q. An other tattoos? 19 I'll get anxiety when I'm not doing anything and there 20 A. 20 is really nothing to even trigger it. 21 Q. Okay. And you worry about a lot of different 22 things? 23 A. Yeah. My mind — mymind does race from the 24 most part of — I do have a lot of trouble with that, my 25 mind racing. 20 (Pages 195 to 198) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Medial (601.280-428-9381) 248(10444-bdbf-Ma0-9143-50a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076088 Page 199 Page 201 1 Q. Okay. And do you ever intentionally not go 1 Can you spell the word "world" for me? 2 out because you're worried about having anxiety or an 2 A. W-O-R-L-D. 3 episode? 3 Q. Can you spell that backwards? 4 A. Yes, uh-huh. 4 A. Dt-R-O-W. 5 Q. Okay. Any concerns that people can put 5 Q. This is a... 6 thoughts into your head, take thoughts out of your head? 6 A. Pen. 7 A. No. 7 Q. These are? 8 Q. Ever get special messages from the television 8 A. Glasses. 9 or see things or hear things that people don't see or 9 Q. Can you repeat the following phrase, please: 10 hear? 10 No ifs, ands or buts. 11 A. No. 11 A. No ifs, ands or buts. 12 Q. Okay. Can you tell me where you are? 12 Q. Okay. Can you take this sheet of paper in 13 A. Right now? 13 your right hand, fold it in half and set it on the floor 14 Q. Uk-huh. 14 on your left hand side? 15 A. I'm in West Palm Beach, Florida. 15 A. (Complying.) ' 16 Q. Okay. Do you know the county? 16 Q. Okay. Do you remember those three words? 17 A. I'm in West Palm Beach County or Palm Beach 17 A. Yes. 18 County. 18 Q. What are they? 19 Q. Okay. Do you know what floor you're on? 19 A. Penny, dog and blue. 20 A. The floor? 20 Q. All right. Can you read that to yourself and 21 Q. Uh-huh. 21 do as it says? 22 A. 15. 22 A. Read it to myself and what? 23 Q. Do you know the name of the building or what 23 Q. And do as it says. 24 type of building this is? 24 A. (ComPlYin&) 25 A. I know it says Paychex outside. 25 Q. Thank you. Page 200 Page 202 1 Q. Okay. And what's today's date? 1 Can you copy that design forme? 2 A. 11/11/09. 2 A. Both of them? 3 Q. Okay. And the season? 3 Q. Uh-huh. 4 A. It's fall. 4 A. Well, I thought I would be a little better 5 Q. Okay. And the day of the week? 5 than that, sorry. 6 A. It is Wednesday. 6 Q. That's not bad. 7 Q. Okay. Can you remember three words for me: 7 Copy this as well, please. Anything you'd 8 Penny, dog and blue? 8 like. 'And it's how are you today? 9 A. Uh-huh. 9 A. (Complying.) 10 Q. Can you repeat those back? 10 Q. Okay, good. How is a boat and a bicycle 11 A. Penny, dog and blue. 11 similar? 12 Q. Okay, good. Remember those and I'll ask you 12 A. They have two Bs in the same word. 13 for those again later, all right? 13 Q. Okay. And an apple and an orange? 14 A. Okay. 14 A. 'Fruit. 15 Q. Next one is a bit harder, just give me your 15 Q. Okay. A mouse and a tree? 16 best shot. Can you count backwards from 100 in sets of 16 A. How are they similar? 17 sevens? 17 Q. Uh-huh. 18 A. No, I can't. I'm not even going to try to do 18 A. A mouse and a tree? 19 it. 19 Q. Uh-huh. 20 Q. Please give it a shot. 20 A. 1have no idea. 21 A. Really? 21 Q. Can you name the presidents going backwards, 22 Q. Yeah. 22 please? 23 A. Oh, okay. 93 — 93, 86, 79, 72,65... 23 A. The what? 24 Q. Thank you. That's good. Everybody has the 24 Q. The presidents of the United States, can you 25 same reaction whenever you say it. 25 name them backward? 21 (Pages 199 to 202.) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Moduli (601.280-428.9381) 248O044-bdbf-4fa0-9143-60a9a76ffd36 EFTA01076089 Page 203 Page 205 1 A. From right now to — I know Obama, Bush, =di 1 teeth, eat breakfast, get ready, go to viol*, you know, 2 believe Clinton, and then I don't really know before 2 make breakfast When I get out of work, I normally try 3 that. 3 to relax, hang out, clean the house, exercise. 4 Q. Which — which Bush? 4 Q. What time do you usually go to bed? 5 A. George W. Bush. 5 A. Around 9:00. 6 Q Okay. 6 Q. Okay. And what tinte.do you usually wake up? 7 A. No, is that — wait. Well, George Bush, the 7 A. Around 6:30, 7:00. 8 younger Bush, not the older Bush. 8 Q. Any particular television shows you like to 9 Q. Okay. So W is which Bush? 9 watch or books to read or — 10 A. I believe the younger Bush. 10 A. Yeah. I like Deal or No Deal, l like that 11 Q. Okay. 11 show Dexter, I like the Sopranos, I like Family Guy, I 12 A. That's my final answer. 12 like The Office. 13 Q. Can you name the five Great Lakes? 13 Q. Just out of curiosity, what age did you first 14 A. No, I can't. Lake Osborne. No, not Lake 14 see your first R-rated movie? 15 Osborne. Is Lake Ida one of them? No? Okay, so no, 15 A. Honestly, I'm not sure. 16 can't. 16 Q. Okay. Have you ever seen a pornographic 17 Q. Can you name five United States cities? 17 movie? 18 A. Cities? 18 A. Yes, I have. 19 Q. Uh-huh. 19 Q. How old were you when that happened? 20 A. I'm not really good at any of this honestly, 20 A. I was probably 15, 16. 21 no. 21 Q. Okay. How did that happen? 22 Q. You can't think of five cities in America? 22 A. Actually, I was in front of my ex's car. He 23 A. Yeah, Pm sure I could, but for some reason, I 23 had TVs all in it and had big rims, everything else, and 24 don't know. I don't know right now. I feel stupid 24 he was doing a car — they were doing a car show at the 25 after the lake question. I don't know. I do know what 25 Fairgrounds and he had hydraulics and everything else Page 204 Page 206 1 you're talking about but I can't remember what they are. 1 and he put porn on while he was showing off his hot 2 Q. Okay. Can you tell me something that's going 2 ride. 3 ota in the news right now? 3 Q. Okay. Was it kind of a standard fair or was 1 A. Yeah, a little boy — two people left their 4 it anything special? 5 little seven month year old baby in the back seat of the 5 A. As far as I know now, it seemed pretty 6 car yesterday in Juno Beach. 6 standard. 7 Q. Okay. Is the United States currently at war 7 Q. Were you shocked at the time or... 8 anywhere? 8 A. Not really. 9 A. I believe so. I'm not sure where. Q. And how are you with cleaning? Are you able 10 Q. Okay. You're not sure where the US hes troops 10 to keep up with household cleaning? 11 right now? 11 A. Definitely. My house is clean. 12 A. No. 12 Q. Shopping? 13 Q. Do you watch the news? 13 A. I like to shop. I shop. 14 A. Yeah. 'just seen something about Barrack 14 Q. But you can get groceries and food in the 15 Obama was somewhere paying respects for something, bin 15 house — 16 I'm not sure what. 16 A. Oh, yeah, definitely. . 17 Q. Okay. Can you listen to the numbers I'm 17 Q. Cooking? 18 giving you, repeat them forward and then repeat them to 18 A. Cooking, yep, I can do that. 19 me backwards. 6, 8, 5,2, 7. 19 Q. How about taking public transportation'? 20 A. 6, 8,5,2, 7. 20 A. MI can do that, no problem. 21 Q. Okay. 21 Q. And going out of the house in general? 22 A. 7, 5, 8 — I can't even remember. 22 A. Not really an issue. 23 Q. Okay. All right. So what do you do on a 23 Q. How about traveling? 24 typical day? 24 . A. I'm fine with it. 25 A. Normally, I wake up, take a shower, brush my 25 ...ammairmQ. Payia bill rsca ====== 22 (Pages 203 to 206) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Bectronically signed by Jeana Rioting (601.28028-9381) 248de044-bdbf-4ta0-9143-50a9a7Mfd35 EFTA01076090 Page 207 Page 209 A. Good. 1 this? 2 Q. So you haven't missed payments or anything — 2 A. 1.1h-uh. 3 A. I'm sure I've missed — yeah, I've missed 3 Q. And any problems with friends? 4 payments and stuff like that but, you know, either the 4 A. (Non-verbal response.) 5 only time I normally miss payments is if A) I sometimes 5 Q. How many friends do you have? 6 forget to mail it out or B) I'm just financially behind. 6 A. As in close — 7 Q. Okay. So it has happened but not a common 7 Q. Uh-huh. 8 every month thing? 8 A. — friends? Three. 9 A. No, no. Q. Who are those? 10 Q. Do you maintain your residence? I mean, I 10 A. Dais III, and her name is MI M, 11. guess the apartment you're in with your friend, are you 11 (phonetic). 12 able to do simple repairs on it if you need to? 12 Q. Do you still see any of the girls from the 13 A. Lace, change a light bulb? 13 Epstein days? 14 Q. Like, change the light bulb or change the air 14 A. Yeah. You could put down M, too. 15 filter if you need to. 15 She's a good friend of mine. 16 A. Yeah, uh-huh. 16 Q. Any trouble interacting with neighbors? 17 Q. Caring for yourself, are you able to wash your 17 A. No. 18 hair, groom, brush your teeth — 18 Q. Grocery store clerks? 19 A. Yes. 19 A. (Non-verbal response.) 20 Q. Okay. And sleep, you said you were sleeping 20 Q. Landlord? 21 well? 21 A. (Non-verbal response.) 22 A. Yeah. 22 Q. Bus driver? 23 Q. Can you use a telephone directory or the 23 A. (Non-verbal response.) 24 Internet if you needed to? 24 Q. Public? 25 A. Yeah. 25 A. (Non-verbal response.) Page 208 Page 210 1 Q. Can you go to the Post Office if you need to? 1 Q. Co-workers? 2 A. Uh-huh. 2 A. I'm pretty good. No. 3 Q. Oka . An 'roblems with sexual function 3 Q. In general, how is your attention? A 4 A. I'm sorry? 5 Q. How is your attention? Are you able to 6 concentrate when you need to? 7 A. Sometimes — 8 focus? 9 A. I've had difficulty with totally focusing on 10 Q. Okay. But with your boyfriend, you're 10 something. 11 satisfied? 11 Q. And how is your concentration? 12 A. Yeah. 12 A. Ifs not very good. I have poor 13 Q. A trusting relationship there, you're 13 concentration, I think. 14 comfortable with? 14 Q. Is that in all situations or seine areas more 15 A. Definitely, uh-huh. )5 than others? 16 Q. Social activities, any problems? 16 A. I think it's maybe more in some areas than 17 A. No. 17 others but it's overall, like, I just have problems with 18 Q. My trouble with recreation? 18 concentration a lot. 19 A. No. 19 Q. Okay. And again, we talked about being able 20 Q. Do you do anything to relax, have fun? 20 to watch a sitcom and things lice that. Can you watch a 21 A. Right, no. 21 two-hour movie? 22 Q. Any problems interacting with family members? 22 A. Yeah. 23 A. Uh-uh, besides my Uncle. who is kind of a 23 Q. How are you with persistence? 24 problem right now. I'm still trying to get over that. 24 A. I'm sorry, persistence, as in maintaining or 25 Q. Did you ever have any trouble witljabefore 25 keeping up? 23 (Pages 207 to 210) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeans Ricciuti (601-280-428.9381) 248de044.bdbf-4fa04143-60a9a76fId36 EFTA01076091 Page 211 Page 213 1 Q. Keeping up, keeping at it, you know, if you're 1. And I feel like ho's just kind of gotten over 2 having trouble getting back on track. 2 on me. And not even gotten over on me but sexually 3 A. I'm — I think I'm good overall. I don't have 3 abused me and hurt me in a way that nobody's ever, ever 4 any trouble with it. 4 been able to do ever and will never do again. And I 5 Q. How about pacing yourself? 5 don't — it doesn't matter how far, until I'm 80, this 6 A. As in? 6 will always be carried on my shoulders, no matter if 7 Q. As in you know you've got a long shift, can 7 that camera or I'm talking to you or any of this that's 8 you maintain a consistent level of energy, or if you're 8 going on today or tomorrow, no matter if it's in my past 9 in the ER, can you kind of - 9 or not, it will ahvays be in my present, and Pll always 10 A. Yeah,' believe so. 10 carry all of this with me. And nothing will ever erase 11 Q. Okay. How do you react to stress? 11 that. And I'll say it again, nothing will ever erase 12 A. Not good. 12 that. 13 Q. What happens? 13 Q. When we were talking about it, it didn't sound 14 A. Normally,1lose weight, tired. 14 like it was particularly horrendous when you went 15 Q. How are you doing with the current lawsuit? 15 through it, but when you discuss it now, you seem much 16 A. What lawsuit? 16 more — 17 Q. The Epstein lawsuit, is this something that's 17 A. No. When I was talking about it, 1 was just 18 particularly stressful for you? 18 trying not toga emotional and get upset and be in — 19 A. Yes, it is very stressful for you. 19 and try to give you as many details as possible. But of 20 Q. And is that stressful all the time or just 20 course it does definitely upset me and it's something 21. when you have something coming up like this or a 21 that — 22 deposition? 22 Q. What about it upset you? 23 A. No, it's pretty stressful all the time. 23 A. Every — everything upsets me about the whole 24 Q. Why is it all the time? 24 situation, why I'm sitting here having to explain every 25 A. Really, only because it's just something that 25 detail ofmy personal life now because of the actions Page 212 Page 214 I want to be done I want this to be in the past. I 1 that happened with me and Mr. Epstein that were 2 want it to be over with and, you 'mow, allot of the 2 definitely not right. I'm not saying, you know, 3 time, like, ifI think of, oh, maybe Ill move. Like 3 I just — its just everything makes me mad about it. I 4 just recently I was thinking about, you know — because 4 mean, it makes me so mad I'm having a hard time putting 5 I kind ofhave to go back and forth and not having a 5 it into words. 6 steady place to live, and so before I moved in with my 6 Q. So are you mad at yourself for putting girlfriend, even while I was living there, I was kind of 7 yourself in that position, or... 8 thinking about kind of going to Oregon and stuff lice 8 A. Of course. Of course I am. I'm mad at myself 9 that, and then I started thinking about this case and if 9 for looldng at him as almost a friend at one point. I'm 10 I could go there. Ifs just — it's always, in my mind 10 mad at myself for being brainwashed by him. 11 I always bring this case up no matter if t have 11 Q. What did he do to brainwash you? 12 something coming up or I have to — you know what I 12 A. I mean, well, if I at one point, when this 13 mean? It's something that's definitely in my past and 13 all happened in the very beginning, when the FBI and 14 will — it's in my present still because 14 everybody came up to me, I defended him. I said, oh, 15 Q. Do you think once this case is over, it will 15 no, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy 16 be easier for you to keep the past in the past? 16 because it was okay what we did. And no, he's not a 17 A. No, I don't think it will be. 17 good guy. 18' Q. Why do you say that? 18 Q. Okay. When did that change? 19 A. Because I don't think that once ifs over, I 19 A. When did what change? 20 don't think it's going to take away any of the memories 20 Q. When did he stop being a good guy and went 21 or any of the turmoil or however you want to say, and 21 to — 22 how — how somebody could just hurt anybody and me, and 22 A. He always was a bad guy. !just malty didn't 23 do and be so premeditatedly sick to take advantage of 23 want to say It out loud. 24 somebody the way he took advantage of me and who knows 24 Q. In your mind, when did you make that switch? 25 who else. 25 • A. That was never a switch. That was always he 24 ( Pages 211 to 214) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl(601-280428-9381) 248doC44-bdbf-4fa0-9143-50a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076092 Page 215 Page 217 1 was never a good guy. don't do that, please stop, please stop and ho didn't 2 Q. No, you just said initially I was defending 2 stop, and not even about the other girls, but I think of 3 him and he - 3 myself and, like, oh, it just disgusts me. 4 A. Right. 4 Q. How are you with decision making? 5 Q. When in your mind did that switch? 5 A. I could be indecisive. 6 A. I was just saying that because I couldn't 6 Q. Is that something new for you or is that 7 believe what I was falling into, and I defended him in 7 something that you've had for a while? 8 the beginning not thinking, not because in my mind I 8 A. No, it's something I've always done. 9 thought he was a good guy because, no, I did not think 9 Q. How are you with attendance? 10 he was a good guy. 10 A. Good. 11 Q. Then why did you defend him in the beginning? 11 Q. Maintaining and keeping schedules? I 12 A. Because I mean I just — twos in such shock 12 A. Good. 13 ofeverything that had been going on and when I found 13 Q. Task completion? 14 out who this guy was and what he was — not only what he 14 A. Good. 15 was doing to me but with millions of girls, like all 15 Q. Handling criticism? 16 over the world, it's just — 16 A. I'm sorry? 17 Q. So you were defending hint At what point did 17 Q. Handling criticism? 18 you stop defending him? 18 A. What do you mean by that? What's that? 19 A. As soon as I realized — 19 Q. Constructive criticism, somebody at work says, 20 Q. When did you realize that? What time? Give 20 bey, you half-asked — 21 21 A. Right, right, right. No, no. I take advice 22 A. 1talked to — I talked to his federal 22 well, construction, constructive criticism. 23 investigators, and when I felt like they were trying to 23 Q. Any issues with like rage or -- 24 make this seem like it was okay, what he did to me, 24 A. Yes. 25 that's when I was like, what the fuck. 25 Q. Can you give me an example? Page 216 Page 218 1 Q. Well, his federal investigators? He's not the 1 A. Ofmaybe right now when you asked me why I 2 Government. 2 said defending and, like, I don't know why. You know, 3 A. Or his investigators, his private 3 like that pissed me off instantly. 4 investigators, I would say. 4 Q. How are you with like road rage? 5 Q. What time did you say, oh, my gosh, something 5 A- I don't really have road rage. 6 bad happened to me? 6 Q. Interacting with supervisors? 7 A. I said that to them. I said that to his 7 A. Good. 8 investigators. 8 Q. Interacting with peers? 9 Q. Okay, treatise you just told me you were 9 A. Good. 10 defending him when it first happened, and I said -- 10 Q. Attitude towards the future? 11 A. Let's rephrase the defending. 11 A. Positive. 12 Q. Well,no, that's what you said. 12 Q. Any kind of additional comments or anything 13 A. Okay. 13 else that you'd like to say? 14 Q. You said at some point I was defending him and 14 A. (Non-verbal response.) 15 I thought he war my friend, and so you said you -- 15 Q. Okay. Just going back and tieing up some 16 A. Right. 16 loose ends, did anybody ever take pictures ofyou while 17 Q. — when all of this was going on, you didn't 17 you were there? 18 view it as this evil, awful thing. 18 A. Not that I know of. 19 A. Right. 19 Q. Did you ever recognize anybody's pictures 20 Q. At what point did you say, wait a minute, this 20 while you were there? 21 was an evil, awful thing? 21 A. No. 22 A. When — one of the times was, that I could 22 Q. Who — when you went to his house, were you 23 definitely remember right now, is when I started reading 23 taken there by family or anybody else? 24 all the public files of what he did to other girls, and 24 A. No, never family. 25 I had seen that the one girl that begged him please 25 Q. Ever taken by friends? 25 (Pages 215 to 218) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signori by Jeana Rlcciuti (601.280-428.9381) 248S044-bdbf-460-914340a9a7005 EFTA01076093 Page 219 Page 221 1 A. Yeah, I guess so. 1 A. No, not really. I didn't really say anything. 2 Q. And when you went with.., you said a car 2 Q. Okay. Why were you ashamed? 3 picked you up? 3 A. Because I was basically prostituting myself to 4 A. Uh-huh. 4 him. 5 Q. Have you ever worked in the adult 5 Q. Did you know at that time that was illegal or 6 entertaimnent industry? We talked about that a little 6 the wrong thing to do? 7 bit Have you ever worked for, like, an escort service? 7 A. At that time, I didn't think I was 8 A. No. 8 prostituting myself to him. I wasn't sure what 9 Q. You ever worked for Think Pink or Palm Beach 9 thought, but... 10 Escorts or any of those services? 10 Q. So you weren't ashamed at the time then? 11 A. No. 11 A. No, I was ashamed. 12 Q. Did you ever advertise'in any adult 12 Q. Okay. Help me there because that's almost two 13 publications or anything like city magazines, 13 contradicting feelings. If you were ashamed, then you 14 advertising adult services? 14 knew something was wrong with it. 15 A. No. 15 A. I definitely knew it was wrong. 16 Q. Did you ever do any advertising promo shot,, 16 Q. Okay. 17 for any of the clubs you worked at? 17 A. I didn't think ofmyself as a prostitute. Now 18 A. Yeah. 18 I do. 19 Q. Which clubs? 19 Q. Okay. But you knew something was wrong at the 20 A. Platinum Gold. 20 time? 21 Q. Okay. And did they run those ads in the 21 A. Yeah. 22 papers? 22 Q. And you kept going back? 23 A. Not in — ifs a magazine in the clubs. 23 A. Right And it wasn't even — you know, I just 24 Q. Do you know the name of the magazine? 24 want it on for the record, it wasn't like I kept going 25 A. Something entertainment, I'm not really sure. 25 back because I, oh, so liked it, oh, so much because it Page 220 Page 222 1 Q. Did you ever talk to anyone about any of these 1 was just not bad, it was definitely the money that kept 2 interactions? I'm sorry — 2 me going back. 3 A. What interactions? 3 Q. Okay. A few other things I just wanted to 4 Q. Did you ever talk with anybody about what 4 clear up and then we'll get into the psych testing and 5 happened, any of the other girls that you went to with 5 all of that. When we talked earlier, I asked you if you 6 Epstein or you knew saw Epstein or — 6 had ever had any other problems with sexual abuse or 7 A. Have I ever talked with them about it? 7 been sexually abused. Do you remember any other times Q. Did you review what was going on, did you ever 8 where there was ever any issues of sexual abuse? 9 compare notes or discuss what happened or... 9 A. No. 10 A. Not really. It's not something you really 10 Q. Okay. Now, when I was going through some of 11 want to talk about. 11 the records, there was comments about you being molested 12 Q. And did you ever talk withM. after she took 12 by your father when you were 13 you? 13 A. 14 A. Not really. 15 Q. So younever dicomed what happened when you 16 walked out and — 17 A. No. 18 Q. Why not? 19 A. Why? Bacance that's something that I'm 20 definitely ashamed of. I didn't -- I didn't feel great 21 walking out there, so there was nothing really to 22 discuss. 23 Q. Did you say why did you bring here me or I 3 24 don't want to come back or it was worse than I was 25 expecting? 26 (Pages 219 to 222) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Riccivti (601-280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf-4fa0.9143-60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076094 Page 223 Page 225 1 O. 20 Q. Okay. Because it's actually on two separate 21 sets of records. 22 A. Well, that's crazy because I never said that. 23 I never told the police officer that my step dad kissed 24 me, I've never said anything, so... 25 Q. And again, Pm assuming ifs your stepfather Page 224 Page 226 1 1 because ifs somebody — and you said your mother has 2 been with him fora long time.. 3 A. Yeah, with M. That happened with E, but 4 Q. • Okay. The records also indicate that you may 4 that was never a kiss. 5 have had counseling for post traumatic stress disorder 5 Q. He never said something like, this is what 6 from age five to seven. Do you remember ever having 6 your boyfriend is going to do to you some day? 7 that or undergoing that? 7 A. No. 8 A. No. 8 Q. No? Okay. 9 Q. Have you ever discussed with your current 9 And when I was looking over the CARP words 10 counselor the issues with your father? 10 the first time, it said that you left. 11 A. Yeah, I talked to her about it. 11 A. Right. 12 Q. Okay. So you raised it with her. Why didn't 12 Q. And why did you leave treatment? 13 you raise it with me when I asked you? 13 A. Just for the simple fact that I didn't — 14 A. Well, because I've just come to terms to I 14 that's why the first time I told you I went and then I 15 don't think that anything was done to me, that's why — 15 had went back. The first time, that's why — the first 16 Q. So you're kind of choosing which symptoms to 16 time I went there, I didn't like it and I left — 17 tell me about, and which not to and what history is or 17 Q. Well, you didn't just leave. They filed a 18 isn't important when I ask the questions? 18 police report about you missing. 19 A. No. No, that's not the case at all. I should 19 A. Right. Heft. I did just leave. 20 have — 20 Q. I mean, that's — I think I asked if you ever 21 Q. You should have told me? 21 left AMA or against advice and things like that. 22 A. I should have told you, but I wasn't — when 22 A. What do you mean by against advice? 23 you asked me the question, that didn't come to my mind 23 Q. Against medical advice. 24 or I would have told you. I'm not withholding any 24 A. What, somebody telling me, no, don't leave and 25 information from you. 25 me leaving anyways? 27 (Pages 223 to 226) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Rieciuti (601-2804284381) 248de044-bdbf-4fa0-914340a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076095 Page 227 Page 229 Q. Yeah. 1 A. Uh-huh. 2 A. Yeah, that did happen. 2 (Takipnest.) 3 Q. Why did that happen? 3 MS. M.: Am I supposed to do that? I'm 4 A. I guess I was rebellious, I don't know. 4 clone. Am I supposed to be in the very beginning? 5 Q. Well, we'll take a little break and then we'll 5 I didn't do any of that. I don't know if you 6 get set up for the standardized test. 6 wanted me to do that. 7 A. Okay. 7 BY DR. HALL: 3 (A brief recess was taken.) 8 Q. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind doing that. 9 BY DR. HALL: 9 A. Problems that are troubling you the most with 10 Q. This is the Long Access Inventory 3. It's a 10 family. What if they're not troubling me, do I leave 11 standardized test. Its similar to the SATs. Again, 11 it? 12 just read the instructions here to you. If you 12 Q. If they're not problems, leave it blank if 13 have any questions, let me know. 13 nothing on there is a problem for you. 14 A. Okay. 14 A. Yeah, I do not. And that's like boyfriend or 15 Q. The following pages contain a list of 15 family problem? 16 statements that people use to describe themselves. They 16 Q. Yeah. I mean, again, I probably would put 17 are printed here to help you in describing your feelings 17 boyfriend out there under other if you're living with 18 and attitudes. Try to be as honest and serious as you 18 him and you're — 19 can in making these statements. Do not be concerned if 19 A. Oh, okay. 20 these statements seem unusual. They are included to 20 Q. -- for a while, I'd put it under marriage or 21 describe people with many types of problems. If you 21 family. 22 agree with the statement or decide that it describes 22 A. Yes. 23 you, fill in the true circle on a separate answer sheet 23 Q. So actually, but — and choose which one you 24 to mark it true. So it gives the little example, false, 24 know is the most troubling with the second troubling. 25 true, true. That's what it looks like. 25 A. What is this, tired and what? Page 228 Page 230 1 If you disagree with a statement or decide 1 Q. Illitired. 2 that it does not describe you, fill in the F to mark it 2 A. Oh, sorry. 3 false. Try to mark every statement even if you are not 3 Q. No, not a problem. 4 sure of your choice. If you have tried your best and 4 A. Years of education, I put eight? 5 still cannot decide, mark the false, F for false. 5 Q. I would assume you got through the eight 6 Use a soft black lead pencil and make a heavy 6 grade, correct. And you haven't done the GED test yet. 7 dark mark when filling in the circles. If you make a 7 A. Yet, right. 8 mistake or change your mind, please erase the make fully 8 Q. Thank you. 9 and then fill in the correct circle. Do not make any 9 1think we're going to need to change the tape 10 marks on this booklet. There isn't a time limit for 10 now. If you would like to take a few minute break, get 11 completing the inventory, but it is best to work as 11 up, scratch, it might take a little longer. 12 rapidly as is comfortable for you. 12 A. Okay. 13 Okay, any questions? 13 (Brief recess taken.) 14 A. No. 14 BY DR. HALL: 15 Q. All right I'm going to step out for a little 15 Q. This is the amended PI too, and similar 16 while. My assistants going to stay and if you have any 16 instructions to the fast one. Quarter responses on the 17 questions, she'll come and get me. 17 answer sheet. Use a No. 2 pencil only. Fill in the 18 A. Okay. 18 circles with a heavy dark mark. Print your 19 Q. For the most part, as I said, it's kind of 19 identification number in the box to the left and fmd 20 similar to the SATs, so if you have a question, I may be 20 the circle below each space that has the same number in 21 able to help define a word or something, but for the 21 black pen. We'll fill in the identification number, so 22 most part, I'll probably say fill in the answer you 22 you don't need to worry about that. Black and circle 23 think is best. 23 for either male or female. And marital status. If you 24 A. Okay. 24 want to change a response, erase it carefully and then 25 Q. All right? 25 fill in your new choice. Do not make any mark outside 28 (Pages 227 to 230) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (801-280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf-4fa0-9143-60a9a76ffd36 EFTA01076096 Page 231 1 of the circles. 1 A. All right. 2 So for gender, marital status, education, test 2 Q. That no matter what you do, you're not going 3 date, setting we'll fill in. Birthday fill in and we'll 3 to be able to turn it around. 4 put in the identification number and we'll be sending it 4 A. Oh, okay. Thank you. 5 off. 5 Q. Like people who are on death row are often 6 Similar style, use No. 2 pencil, and we will 6 described as being condemned 7 fill in the circles with a heavy dark mark. If you want 7 A. Oh, okay, thank you. 8 to change an answer, erase it carefully and then fill in 8 (Taldng test.) 9 the other circle. Do not make any marks outside the 9 MR. EDWARDS: Did you fill out the history or 10 circles. Please try to answer every question. If there 10 something? 11 is a question that you don't feel you can answer, you 11 DR. HALL: Again, this is why I asked to be 12 can leave that one blank. 12 sent out ahead of time and not put us through all 13 A. Okay. 13 of this. 14 (TalcinjLtest) 14 MR. EDWARDS: And that's something you need 15 MS. M.: Yeah, but other than that, so did 15 done today? 16 you want me to — I have never indulged in any 16 DR. HALL: Yeah. 17 unusual sex practices, so Jeffrey Epstein was 17 (T test.) 18 defmitely an unusual sex practice, so that would 18 MS. M.: Do you want me to use the pencil or 19 be fte right? 19 pen? 20 BY DR. HALL: 20 BY DR. HALL: 21 Q. Answer it the best way you know how, because a 21 Q. Actually, a pen is probably better but 22 lot of these questions are about you personally. 22 whatever works for you is fine. 23 (Takin_glest.) 2.3 ME V1DEOGRAPHER: We have about 30 minutes 24 MS. M.: Okay. Like I brood a great deal? 24 and then she'll be done with that and -- 25 25 Page 232 Page 234 1 BY MS. YOUNG: 1 BY DR. HALL: 2 Q. Brood. 2 Q. Again, this is going to be like watching paint 3 A. Brood? 3 dry. 4 Q. Yeah. 4 A. Intuitive? Intuitive? What does that say? 5 A. Complain? 5 Taking? 6 Q. Like brood or — think about it, or... 6 Q. Taking initiative. 7 A. Oh, okay. Like, if the same were to happen to 7 A. Initiative. And for this question right here, 8 me, I continuously think about it or — I put lack of communication is average, but not for 9 Q. Yeah. 9 describing — or sexual pattners stuff, can I put not — 10 A. Okay. 10 like I don't want to answer that. Because whose 11 Q. If you had any questions about brood? 11 business is it really? I mean, I put average and like 12 A. I wasn't really sure, but I understand. 12 communications, se — 13 Q. Okay. What's your — 13 Q. Okay. Yeah, no, again this is just — I know 14 A. To like stew over something, to -- 14 it says marriage, but whoever your relationship is with. 15 Q. Yeah, that's about right 15 I think it is for someone, you're dating someone. 16 A. Yeah, that's what she told me. Condemned 16 A. Okay. 17 person, I believe I'm a condemned person? 17 (Taking test.) 18 Q. Let me ask him. 18 (Test concluded.) 19 THE WITNESS: What does condemned mean? 19 20 MS. YOUNG: Like -- 20 21 THE WITNESS: Yeah, he's coming. What's 21 22 condemned mean? I believe I'm a condemned person? 22 23 BY DR. HALL: 23 24 Q. It means that you're going to be punished and 24 25 bad things are going to happen to you. 25 • •410••44••40ma.•••Jvi...m•MO....•••••••• ••4.••• , .,•• • ••••••••••••Jj 29 (Pages 231 to 234) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (501.280428.9381) 248de044-bdbf4fa0.9143-50a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076097 Page 235 CERTIFICATE 2 3 STATE OF FLORIDA 4 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 5 6 7 1, Jeans Ricciuti, Registered Professional 8 Reporter, State of Florida at large, certify that I was 9 authorized to and did stenographically report the 10 foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a true 11 and complete record of my stenographic notes. 12 Dated this llth day of November, 2009. 13 19 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 30 (Page 235) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (601-280-428-9381) 248d0044-bdbt-41a0.9143.60a9a76Hd35 EFTA01076098