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1 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 4, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 3 4 1 MR. The recorder is on. My 1 credentials. 2 name is and I am a Senior 2 MS. : Thank you. And I'm 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 3 , 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New 4 MR. Okay. And what is your 5 York Field Office, and these are my 5 position? 6 credentials. 6 MS. : Supervisory Correctional 7 MS. : Okay. 7 Systems Suecialist. 8 MR. This interview with 8 MR. Great. Thank you. This 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee 9 is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into the 10 is being conducted as part of an official U.S. 10 death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the 11 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 11 surrounding circumstances, and you are being 12 General, DOJ/OIG investigation. Today's date 12 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 13 is August 4, 2021, and the time is 1:22 p.m. 13 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 14 This interview is being conducted at the 14 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 15 Metropolitan Correctional Center, the MCC, 15 MS. : Yes. 16 located in New York, New York. Also present is 16 MR. : Thank you. So, there's a 17 DOJ/OIG Special Agent . This 17 form here. It's the United States Department 18 interview will be recorded by me, SSA 18 of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, 19 . 19 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 20 Could everyone please identify themselves 20 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. 21 for the record and spell your last name. To 21 "You are being asked to provide information as 22 start a'ain I am DOJ OIG Senior Siecial Agent 22 part of an investigation being conducted by the 23 . 23 Office of the Inspector General. This 24 MR. : This is DOJ/OIG Special Agent 24 investigation is being conducted, pursuant to 25 , , and these are my 25 the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. EFTA00114723 6 1 This investigation pertains to job performance 1 says employee's signature. If you sign there, 2 failure and security failure. This is a 2 and then em loyee's name -- 3 voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not 3 MS. • Okay. 4 have to answer questions. No disciplinary 4 MR. -- you can print your 5 action will be taken against you if you choose 5 name there. Thank you. 6 not to answer questions. Any statements you 6 MS. : You want my whole name? I'll 7 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 7 put it on there. (Indiscernible *00:02:38) 8 criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary 8 What time is it? 9 proceedings, or both." 9 MR. p.m. 10 And there's a waiver section. It says, "I 10 MR. : Thank you for completing 11 understand the warnings and assurances stated 11 that. I can fill in the rest, though. 12 above, and I am willing to make a statement and 12 MS. May. 13 answer questions. No promises or threats have 13 MR. : So, where it says, 14 been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of 14 employee's name, is it something other than 15 any kind has been used against me." 15 IIIII or -- 16 So, again, it's just reminding you that 16 MS. : No. That's me. 17 you do not have to answer our questions. If 17 MR. : Oh, that's a W? 18 there's something you feel uncomfortable with 18 MS. Yeah, that's a W. 19 or if you want to stop at any time, you can 19 MR. : Oh, I thought it was a G. 20 say, yep, I can, I'm done. 20 MS. Oh, no, that's a W. 21 MS. • Okay. 21 MR. : Thank you. I'm filling 22 MR. : Make sense? 22 in the MCC New York as the place. And I'm 23 MS. : Yes. 23 oin to sign. Again, this is 24 MR. : Awesome. So, if you 24 and print my name. And Special 25 agree with that, here, you can review this. It 25 Agent can you please sign? 7 8 1 MR. : This is Agent . I'm 1 MR. : Thank ou. And 'our DOB? 2 signing as the witness. 2 MS. 3 MR. : All right. And if any of 3 MR. 4 these, you don't feel comfortable answering, 4 MS. : My date of birth? Oh, 5 that's totall fine. 5 6 MS. : Okay. 6 MR. Well, welcome. What's 7 MR. : This is just to verify 7 your social securit number? 8 who you are. Oh, first, before we start, I 8 MS. 9 need to place you under oath. Can you please 9 MR. And vihat is your current 10 raise your ri ht hand? 10 cellphone number? 11 MS. : Uh-huh. 11 MS. 12 MR. : Do you swear to tell the 12 MR. And what is your highest 13 truth and nothing but the truth during this 13 level of education? 14 interview? 14 MS. : Associates Degree. 15 MS. : Yes. 15 MR. And what is that degree 16 MR. Awesome. And if there is 16 in? 17 anything you don't understand or you want me to 17 MS. : In Criminal Justice. 18 rephrase or ask it another way, please, by all 18 MR. And where is that from? 19 means -- 19 MS. 20 MS. : Okay. 20 MR. And where is that? 21 MR. -- ask me to do so and I 21 MS. 22 will. What is your current home address? 22 MR. In 23 MS. 23 MS. Uh-huh. 24 24 MR. Is, the name of the, 25 25 what's the town? EFTA00114724 9 10 1 MS. : I don't, 1 MR. Great. Do you have any 2 It's an online school. 2 military service? 3 MR. • Oh, okay. 3 MS. : No. 4 MS. : A nationally-accredited online 4 MR. : Okay. And how long have 5 school. 5 you served with the Bureau of Prisons? 6 MR. Okay, great. And when 6 MS. : It's 20 years, 20-1/2 years, 7 did you attend? 7 it will be 21 in A ril. 8 MS. : I attended in 2017, and I 8 MR. : Do you recall your Enter 9 finished in 2019. 9 on Duty date? 10 MR. : Okay. Great. And what 10 MS. : April 2000. I don't know the 11 did you dp_prior to working for the BOP? 11 day, but I know the year, 2001. 12 MS. IIIII: I used to work for Berks 12 MR. : So April 2001? 13 County, in Reading, Pennsylvania. I used to 13 MS. : Uh-huh. 14 work for a detention center. They used to 14 MR. : Great. And when did you, 15 contract illegal immigrant kids and stuff like 15 do you remember when you went to BOP training, 16 that, for the 16 when you graduated? 17 MR. : Okay. And when did you 17 MS. IIIII: I went in August of 2001. I 18 do that? 18 went in, yeah, August, either July or August, 19 MS. : I did that in, I started here 19 and I came back a week before 9/11 hit. 20 in 2001. I started there, I think it was in 20 MR. : Okay. And what is your 21 1998, '97, '98. 21 current position with the BOP? 22 MR. : So you did that for, 22 MS. : Supervisory Correctional 23 like, three or four years? 23 Systems 24 MS. : Yeah, three or four years, 24 MR. : Are you familiar with 25 yes. 25 Jeffrey Epstein? 11 12 1 MS. : Yeah. I heard, he's all on 1 MR. • And you supervise all of 2 the news and stuff like that, and he was here. 2 that staff? 3 So, yeah. 3 MS. : Uh-huh. 4 MR. Okay. Great. Sorry. 4 MR. And how long have you 5 I'm going to circle back to that last question. 5 been -- 6 MS. : Okay. 6 MS. : Yeah. It's another supervisor 7 MR. • As that Supervisory 7 there, also 8 Correctional Services -- 8 MR. Oh, there's two of you? 9 MS. : Uh-huh. 9 MS. Yeah, it's two of us. 10 MR. : -- Specialist, what does 10 MR. • And who is the other one? 11 that job duty and responsibilities, what does 11 MS. : Her name is 12 that all entail? 12 13 MS. : I'm the supervisor of intake, 13 MR. Do you happen to know how 14 intake and receiving, receiving and discharge 14 to spell that last name? 15 of inmates, when they come in and when they 15 MS. . But she goes 16 leave. 16 by 17 MR. Okay. 17 MR. Oh, okay. 18 MS. We supervise the staff. 18 MS. Yeah. 19 MR. And you, so, basically, 19 MR. • So, is a second 20 is that considered R&D? 20 last name? 21 MS. : R&D, yes. 21 MS. : Yeah. Uh-huh. 22 MR. : So, receiving and 22 Uh-huh. 23 dischargifillt 23 MR. Okay. Okay. And do you, 24 MS. IIIII: Yes. Receiving and 24 like, differentiate between your duties, the 25 discharging. Yes. 25 two of you? EFTA00114725 13 14 1 MS. ■: No, not really. We all do the 1 position at that time, correct? 2 same thin cause we're on different shifts. 2 MS. : Yes. 3 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : And you have already 4 MS. : So, we do the same thing on 4 described your duties and responsibilities. 5 each shift. 5 Did you have any interaction or involvement 6 MR. Okay. So you both are 6 with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? 7 responsible for the same thing? 7 MS. : No. 8 MS. Yes. Uh-huh. 8 MR. What about when he came 9 MR. Just different times of 9 in or when he -- 10 day? 10 MS. : No. I don't recall. No. I 11 MS. Just the times of day, yes. 11 don't think I ever seen him. 12 MR. How long have you been in 12 MR. No? 13 that position? 13 MS. Huh-uh. No. 14 MS. ■: I've been in the position, it 14 MR. Okay. 15 will be three ears in April. 15 MS. Huh-uh. 16 MR. : And do you remember when 16 MR. Not on suicide watch or 17 you started? 17 anything like that? 18 MS. I started in April 2019. 18 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 19 MR. Okay. Great. All right. 19 MR. Or in SHU? 20 Now, are familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? 20 MS. 21 MS. Yes. 21 MR. Okay. 22 MR. Okay. And was he housed 22 MS. Huh-uh. 23 within the MCC in July and August of 2019? 23 MR. Do you recall if you 24 MS. : Yes. I think so. Yes. 24 actually worked at the MCC on August 9th and 25 MR. And you had the same 25 10th, 2019? 16 1 MS. : I don't recall, but I probably 1 years ago. 2 did day watch, 6 to 2. I probably was here 2 MR. : Sure. 3 during the day. 3 MS. : So I don't remember who was 4 MR. : Okay. So, 6 a.m. to 2 4 on. 5 p.m.? 5 MR. : Do you all, like, so, R&D 6 MS. : Yes. 6 is a different piece with us. We have, like, 7 MR. : On August 9th? 7 all, like, the, oh, what is it called, the 8 MS. : Uh-huh. I probably was. I 8 daily, like, schedule and logs of everybody who 9 got to look at m 9 worked -- 10 MR. • That would be a Friday. 10 MS. : All the lieutenants, yeah, 11 MS. . Yeah. I have to look at it, 11 that's the lieutenant log. 12 and see if I was here. 12 MR. : Yeah. Do you guys, well, 13 MR. : Okay. And would they 13 this is different. I'm talking about, like, 14 have been the same duties and responsibilities 14 the, like, who was working in the custody side 15 that you have described? 15 of the house. Do you guys have, like, anything 16 MS. : Yes. Yes. 16 like that, like, for instance, here would be 17 MR. Okay. 17 the August 10, 2019 daily assignment roster. 18 MS. Uh-huh. 18 MS. : Yeah. We have a daily 19 MR. And who would you 19 assignment but not a roster. 20 primarily work with during that time? 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MS. : I work with all the CSOs, 21 MS. : It's a daily assignment. It 22 Correctional Systems Officers. I don't know 22 will have, like, everybody's name that's on it, 23 who was on that da -- 23 and we just check off who is here. 24 MR. : Okay. 24 MR. Okay. 25 MS. : -- cause that was, like, two 25 MS. : And then we'll put who is not EFTA00114726 17 18 1 here, like, AL for Annual Leave, SL for Sick 1 MS. : He's over in Brooklyn now. 2 Leave. But we do have that, but it doesn't 2 MR. Okay. 3 look like that. 3 MS. : Over there. 4 MR. Okay. So, would we be 4 MR. And what was his position 5 able to go back and see who actually worked on 5 then? 6 August 9, 2019? 6 MS. a CMC. 7 MS. : Ninth, yes, we should have it. 7 MR. : What does a CMC stand 8 Yes. 8 for? 9 MR. Can I ask you terribly to 9 MS. : Case Manager Coordinator. 10 do me some favors and start, can you, can we 10 MR. Okay. 11 start a list and ask you to, like, provide some 11 MS. : Yeah. CMC, Case Manager 12 of this stuff for us? 12 Coordinator. Uh-huh. 13 MS. : Yeah. You can write it down. 13 MR. : And who would be the Case 14 Uh-huh. 14 Manager Coordinator now? 15 MR. Awesome. So, if you want 15 MS. 16 to start, , just, the first one would be 16 MR. Oh, he's still the same 17 who was assigned on August 9th, August 8th and 17 one? 18 9th, 2019. And did you report to anyone? Who 18 MS. : But he's still the same 19 did you rIpITI to back then? 19 person, but he's over in Brooklyn. 20 MS. IIIII: My supervisor was 20 MR. : When you say Brooklyn, at 21 (Phonetic Sp. *00:10:12) We call him 21 the MDC? 22 can't even pronounce, we call, his last name, I 22 MS. : MDC Brooklyn. Yes. 23 can't even pronounce his last name, but we call 23 MR. Okay. 24 him 24 MS. Yes. 25 Okay. 25 MR. And did all those people 19 20 1 that you mentioned that work in R&D, did they 1 any information with regard to any suspicious 2 report to ou? 2 activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th, 3 MS. Yes. 3 2019 -- 4 MR. Okay. 4 MS. : No. 5 MS. Uh-huh. Me and Ms. 5 MR. -- leading up to the 6 MR. Okay. And were you 6 discovery of Epstein in his cell? 7 previously interviewed under this 7 MS. : No. 8 investigation? 8 MR. : No? Okay. So, these 9 MS. : No. 9 are, now, we'll get into kind of the reason why 10 MR. No? 10 we're here, is to get into this documentation. 11 MS. : Huh-uh. 11 So, we have, there's an inmate, it's, Epstein 12 MR. Do you have any, what is 12 was housed with a cellmate named Efrain Reyes. 13 your understanding of what happened to Epstein 13 MS. : Uh-huh. 14 on August 9th and 10th of 2019? 14 MR. And we have a couple of 15 MS. : That he just committed 15 things comin from the U.S. Marshalls Service. 16 suicide. That's it. 16 MS. : Okay. 17 MR. : Okay. So, do you know 17 MR. Saying what was going on 18 how he died? 18 with Efrain Re So here is one. It says 19 MS. No. Huh-uh. 19 it's from a 20 MR. No? Do you know if he, 20 MS. Uh-huh. 21 like, died of hanging or anything like that? 21 MR. It was sent on 22 MS. : I guess it was hanging. I 22 Thursday, ust 8, 2019, at 10:34 a.m. 23 heard it was hanging, but I don't, I didn't 23 MS. : Uh-huh. 24 really, like, ask, cause -- 24 MR. And it's, you're one of 25 MR. Okay. And do you have 25 the, it looks like it says R & - EFTA00114727 21 22 1 MS..Yeah, that's all R&D. Yeah. 1 MR. Elzahr, E-L-Z-A-H-R. 2 MR. : Okay. So, it was sent to 2 MS. : Uh-huh. 3 all R&D. 3 MR. : Again, this is all, like, 4 MS. IIIIIii i-huh. Yeah. 4 R&D. MR. : And yourself, and it 5 MS. R&D and other staff, yes. 6 says, "Transfer of Prisoners from NYM to GEO." 6 MR. : As well as the 7 MS. .ro CEO, yes. 7 lieutenants and, okay. 8 MR. : So, is that from the MCC 8 MS. • Yes. Uh-huh. 9 to the contract facility? 9 MR. There's you, and it says, 10 MS. : Yeah, from MCC, and he's 10 "Prisoner p roduction, 8/9/2019." Thursday, 11 CEO, yes. 11 August 8, 2019. 12 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. Great. And then, 12 MS. • Was sent out -- 13 in the body, it says, "The following prisoners 13 MR. That was sent at 3:36 14 are to be transferred." 14 p.m. 15 MS. • Yes. 15 MS. Uh-huh. 16 MR. It says Javon Bussey and 16 MR. And then within it, it 17 then Efrain Reyes. 17 has the prisoner's schedule report, and the 18 MS. • Yes. 18 second person, there are the two people that I 19 MR. • "Please schedule transfer 19 just listed -- 20 for Frida 8/9/19." 20 MS. : Yes. 21 MS. • Uh-huh. 21 MR. . -- and the second person 22 MR. And we have another one, 22 being Efrain Reyes. 23 the same date, it says it's from a different 23 MS. : Yes. 24 person with the Marshals Service, saying - 24 MR. And it says, "Transfer 25 MS. : Elzahr. 25 within." 23 24 1 MS. : Yes. 1 this, does this, cause this person also is 2 MR. : Does this tell you what 2 listed as transfer within, court. 3 happened with Efrain Reyes? 3 MS. : Yeah, and court. Yes. 4 MS. : This just says that he 4 MR. . And everybody else -- 5 transferred to GEO. That's it. That's what 5 MS. Uh-huh. 6 this says. He's transferring. 6 MR. -- no one else has that 7 MR. : Okay. 7 next to their name. They all have, like, 8 MS. : That's all it says. But right 8 sentencing_ligging, sentencing, status hearing. 9 here, when they do a transfer, I don't know, 9 MS. IIIII: Yeah, but that still, the type 10 like, right here, this says court. So, I don't 10 is court. That's just what they're going to 11 know if he went out to court and then they 11 court for. 12 transferred him ou see what I'm saying? 12 MR. : Right. So, this one, 13 MR. : Uh-huh. 13 though, being that says transfer within, court 14 MS. : Cause this says court. And 14 15 plus, as me being a supervisor, I don't do the 15 MS. : Transfer, he's transferring, 16 movement. 16 and he (Indiscernible *00:14:16). 17 MR. Okay. So who, who -- 17 MR. : Does that mean he was 18 MS. I'm not the movement officer. 18 going to court, or that's just an automatic 19 MR. : So who would do that? 19 field? 20 MS. 20 MS. : I guess that's automatically, 21 MR. would be the one? 21 they put that there, cause this is the U.S. 22 MS. Yes. Yeah she does the 22 Marshals form. So, I think they automatically 23 movement. Me and Ms. , we don't do the 23 just put that there. I think what it is, is 24 movement. 24 that when they come and pick up the inmates, 25 MR. Okay. So, based upon 25 cause the U.S. Marshals will pick up the EFTA00114728 25 26 1 inmates. 1 on Sentry and do a PP 64 and put the reg 2 MR. . Uh-huh. 2 number, and we put T for transfer, and down at 3 MS. : And they will transfer them. 3 the bottom, we could put as many reg, I think 4 So, I guess they go sit over there, like 4 it's like 20 reg numbers down there, of whoever 5 they're going to court, and then GEO comes over 5 inmates are leaving, and then a 64 will be 6 there and they pick them up from the U.S. 6 printed out. 7 Marshals. 7 MR. Okay. 8 MR. . Okay. 8 MS. And it's just a transit form. 9 MS. That's how it works. 9 MR. Now is there something 10 MR. • So, when someone is 10 that's like, would these people be placed on 11 transferred, so, when these people are 11 the court list, though? 12 transferred from here to GEO -- 12 MS. : Yes. Yes. 13 MS. : Uh-huh. 13 MR. : Okay, so they would be 14 MR. : -- what document is 14 put on the court -- 15 created by, I guess it sounds like , but 15 MS. : They would be placed on the 16 by the BOP (Indiscernible *00:14:53)? 16 court list es. Yes. 17 MS. : We only do like a, we need, 17 MR. : And what would it say 18 like a transfer receipt from the Marshals, 18 next to their name? 19 saying that they're going to transfer and we 19 MS. : WAG. 20 usually just need a 64. 20 MR. . And that's it? 21 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Uh-huh. 21 MS. : Yes. That's it. 22 MS. IIIII: And a medical summary. A 64 22 MR. : Okay. 23 is a transit form. 23 MS. Uh-huh. That's what she 24 MR. Okay. 24 usually puts, AB, on there. 25 MS. : That the BOP, that we just go 25 MR. Now, if that court list 27 28 1 is provided to us, so if Epstein was housed in 1 transferred? 2 the SHU, the SHU would be provided that court 2 MS. : They wouldn't know that. 3 list, correct? 3 MR. : They wouldn't know that? 4 MS. : Yes. 4 They woulLji t know it was WAB? 5 MR. • It would say -- 5 MS. IIIII: Cause it's really, like, it's 6 MS. It would be like a, it's like 6 really none of their business. 7 a roster. not -- 7 MR. : Right. Okay. 8 MR. I said Epstein, I'm 8 MS. : Yeah. They would just know 9 sorry, I mean, Efrain Reyes. 9 that he's one. know what I mean? 10 MS. • Yeah, it's like -- 10 MR. : Well, because, like, kind 11 MR. If Reyes was housed in 11 of like when you said, when I said, you knew 12 the SHU -- 12 who Efrain, or, you know, Epstein was or is, 13 MS. : It's like a roster. They 13 you said, yeah, he went to court. 14 wouldn't get this or anything like that. It's 14 MS. : Yeah. Uh-huh. 15 just like you go on Sentry and you print out a 15 MR. : Cause, is that -- 16 roster and it will have his name on there, and 16 MS. : Yeah, cause, I'm - 17 then we'll write down what unit he's on, and 17 MR. • -- so, like, that's 18 then internal will come and pick it up, or they 18 actually the rumor? 19 will hand it out, whatever, whoever is going 19 MS. : That's what, that's what it 20 out to court, that's the unit that they give 20 would be, or we'll call up there, like, are you 21 the court list to. 21 going to send Efrain Reyes down, and they will 22 MR. . Okay. 22 say, yeah, he's going to court, and then if he 23 MS. That's how it works. 23 doesn't come back, we might call up there, or 24 MR. So, would those people 24 they will know that he's not, cause he's not, 25 know if he was going to court or being 25 or they'll call us and ask us. EFTA00114729 29 30 1 MR. : Okay. 1 any way for the SHU staff to know, he's leaving 2 MS. : You know? Or something like 2 and not cAcEuIg back, rather than -- 3 that. So, they should have, I'm thinking they 3 MS. IIIII: See, we don't, like, it 4 should have known we would have probably, 4 depends. Cause we really don't, we really 5 somebody probably would have told them that he 5 don't tell them, like, if I talk to them, I 6 wasn't comin back he was getting transferred. 6 might say like he's not coming back. 7 MR. : Okay. So, as far as 7 MR. : Okay. 8 this, there's the daily log, 8/9/2019, and on 8 MS. : Or so, I might tell them, so I 9 the third page of this shows Reyes, pre- 9 don't know, on that day, who called up there 10 removed. 10 and told them to have him ready, you know what 11 MS. : Yes. 11 I mean? And have him ready, and he's not 12 MR. Now, if he was just going 12 coming back. 13 to court -- 13 MR. : Now, who would normally 14 MS. It would say court. 14 call and tell them that? 15 MR. Yeah. It wouldn't say 15 MS. : It would be the person that's 16 pre-removed? 16 working in R&D. 17 MS. : It wouldn't say pre-removed. 17 MR. Okay. So would it be 18 Yes. 18 probably for this, as well? 19 MR. So, this is, by looking 19 MS. : It wouldn't be . Yeah, 20 at all of this, I'm assuming you can tell, 20 she just does the movement. 21 yeah, he was never going to court. He was 21 MR. Okay. 22 always goin to be transferred? 22 MS. That's it. 23 MS. He was going, yes. Yes. Yes. 23 MR. It wouldn't have been 24 MR. Okay. And I think this 24 her? 25 may have been what you were saying. Is there 25 MS. : No, it wouldn't have been her. 31 32 1 MR. : All right. 1 true. 2 MS. : She just does the movement. 2 MR. So, a person who would 3 So, it would be the person that's on the front 3 say, yeah, I know it's with all belongings, 4 desk. 4 and, you know, we know it's very likely, there, 5 MR. So, if the people that 5 he's not going to come back, but we don't know 6 escorted Re es down -- 6 for sure. Does that sound at all reasonable? 7 MS. Uh-huh. 7 MS. : They probably would have 8 MR. -- to R&D and they knew 8 asked, like, called to see if he was coming 9 that WAB was actually, in fact, listed next to 9 back. Like, it was after, maybe 4:00 or 10 his name -- 10 something like that -- 11 MS. : Uh-huh. 11 MR. Then they usually would - 12 MR. -- should have they known 12 13 that he is not coming back, if it says WAB? 13 MS. : -- they probably would have 14 MS. : Not really. 14 asked if he was coming back, cause, like, when 15 MR. : No? 15 I first transferred here, I worked in Brooklyn 16 MS. : Because they don't work R&D. 16 and then I transferred to Butner. I didn't 17 You see what I mean? They work custody. 17 know what WAB meant -- 18 MR. : Okay. 18 MR. : Right. 19 MS. : So, it depends who was up 19 MS. : -- until I got here, cause we 20 there. It could have been new staff, who 20 don't use WAB what I mean? 21 knows. Cause a lot of people don't know what 21 MR. : Yeah, but if these 22 WAB does. 22 people, if these people absolutely said no, we 23 MR. : Well, they know it means 23 know what WAB is -- 24 "with all belongings." 24 MS. : WAR, yes. 25 MS. : Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's 25 MR. -- but they thought, you EFTA00114730 33 34 1 know, if they're claiming, well, we thought he 1 could, he could have returned. Is that a legit 2 was going to court, and there's always a chance 2 3 he could come back from court? So, see what 3 MS. : No. Not a WAB. 4 I'm sayin ? So, with this guy -- 4 MR. No? So, a WAB, they 5 MS. : Yeah. 5 should have known he ain't coming back? 6 MR. : -- so this goes, so where 6 MS. : Huh-uh. He's not coming back • 7 this fits in is, Epstein, did you know that 7 Yeah. 8 Epstein was required to have a cellmate? 8 MR. Okay. 9 MS. ..didn't know that, no. 9 MS. WAR. 10 MR. : Okay. So, he was 10 MR. Okay. 11 required to have a cellmate, and Reyes was his 11 MS. : Unless we tell you something 12 cellmate. 12 different. But a WAB, he's not coming back. 13 MS. : Okay. 13 MR. Okay. So, it's the 14 MR. : So, part of the reason 14 primary uestion then. 15 why they're saying that Epstein died is because 15 MS. • Yes. 16 his cellmate was removed and never replaced. 16 MR. Great. So, again, to 17 So, you know, some people say it's because of 17 you, so, (Indiscernible *00:20:19), he was 18 the 30 minute rounds, or a lot of it is the 18 being transferred, not going to court. 19 combination, some people are saying, well, 19 MS. : Not going to court. But I 20 there was no one in his cell, so he took 20 guess the Marshal just put court, because when 21 advantage of not having anybody in there. 21 they come, if a WAB is leaving with the 22 MS. : Okay. 22 Marshals, they usually just put court, because 23 MR. : So, in this case, the SHU 23 they pick the inmates up -- 24 staff, some people are saying, yep, I knew he 24 MR. All the same -- 25 was WAB, but there's always a chance that he 25 MS. -- everybody at the same time, 35 36 1 and take them over there, so that's why they 1 the Marshals. And then this one is the list 2 have court. 2 that the Marshals put out, also, so they kind 3 MR. • Okay. 3 of go hand-in-hand. 4 MS. On their form. 4 MR. : How the pick-up itself is 5 MR. • So, this is, anytime we 5 (Indiscernible *00:21:30). 6 present someone with documents, you just ask 6 MS. : Yes, how the pick-up, yes. 7 them to initial and date it. 7 But everything is going to say court on the 8 MS. : Okay. 8 side, because the Marshals are going to pick 9 MR. : It's not to vouch for 9 up, when they pick up the court, they're 10 the, not certifying it's accurate, just so you 10 picking uiliii,WABs also. 11 can say, this is what we discussed. 11 MR. : And on that court document, 12 MS. • What I saw. Okay. 12 you might have answered this already, the court 13 MR. So, just anywhere. And 13 document that's created internally, it would 14 it is the 4th. 14 have said WAB? 15 MR. : So, the two emails, 15 MS. : Yeah. Like, it's like almost, 16 technically, what you're saying, this goes 16 a receipt, a transfer receipt that we do. 17 18 19 hand-in-hand, one says he's being transferred, 17 the other one states that he is being picked up 18 by the Marshals (Indiscernible *00:21:09). MR. MS. • Okay. : And it will say WAB. It will 19 say, like, it will say his reg number, his 20 MS. : Yeah. Yeah. They both go 20 name, and it will say his unit and it will say 21 hand-in-hand, because this one is the Marshals, 21 pre-removed, so pre-removed, that means he's 22 that they're telling us, but they're telling us 22 not coming_kEE. You know what I mean? 23 WAR, he's going to GEO. So, we'll know he's 23 MR. 'I'll': And that's (Indiscernible 24 transferring to another state. That's another 24 *00:22:04). 25 state facility that houses federal inmates for 25 MS. : Pre-removed. Yeah. He's not EFTA00114731 37 38 1 coming back. So that's what would it be. It 1 MR. : If you can provide us -- 2 would sayiiiiemoved. 2 MS. Okay. 3 MR. : Do you have a copy of an 3 MR. : I'll put that on here. 4 example of what that court document looks like? 4 MS. : I'll put that, write that 5 No, right? Is it ossible that we -- 5 down. Write down Marshals, like a Marshals 6 MR. : The court list? 6 receipt. And I can give you a copy of it. 7 MR. : The court list. Do we, if 7 I'll black, can I blacken out the inmate's 8 you can provide us with one? 8 photos on there? 9 MS. : We don't have, huh-uh. 9 MR. : That's fine. 10 MR. : No, not that one, but any 10 MR. • Photos and the name, if 11 type of -- 11 you want. 12 MS. : Which one? 12 MS. Okay. 13 MR. -- what it looks like? 13 MR. • We just need to see -- 14 MS. : Any samples? 14 MS. You just want to see -- 15 MR. : Yeah. 15 MR. -- what it says next to 16 MS. I could -- 16 their names. 17 MR. : Has it changed since that 17 MS. Yeah, their new one. 18 time, that document? 18 MR. To tell the difference, 19 MS. : Cause we do a, but, yeah, the 19 differentiate if 20 Marshals, now they got a picture on theirs, the 20 MS. : The ones that the Marshals -- 21 picture of the inmate and stuff like that. And 21 MR. . -- somebody is going to 22 now we sign for it. I don't know if that's 22 court or someone is being transferred, you 23 because of E stein. I don't know. 23 know. 24 MR. : But we just want an example. 24 MS. : Okay. 25 MS. : Now we have to sign. 25 MR. : With that, just so we can e 39 40I 1 say, like, cause, like you said, you don't have 1 would email to the unit team and to medical, 2 that court list anymore? 2 stating that she needs a medical summary form. 3 MS. : No. Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. 3 MR. : Okay. So, and she would 4 MR. : And are they maintained 4 have sent the court list? 5 for any amount of period of them? 5 MS. : Yeah, she would have sent the, 6 MS. : We, no. Huh-uh. 6 like, not, see, he would, since he is WAB, it 7 MR. : So that day, you get rid 7 would be a receipt that she would send out, 8 of them? 8 saying that she needed a medical summary and a 9 MS. : Uh-huh. Yeah. 9 64 for him. 10 MR. : And there are never 10 MR. : Okay. Make sure you're 11 emails orinything? 11 documenting_Illose, too. 12 MS. IIIII: I don't know how far my emails 12 MS. IIIII: Yeah, they wouldn't get the, 13 are going to go back. You see what I'm saying? 13 they wouldn't get the court list, like the unit 14 I don't tihiiiiiiiiails go all the way back. 14 team that, his unit team and the medical 15 MR. : Well, we have access to 15 department wouldn't get the court list. She 16 be able to et everybody's emails. 16 would do her own one and send it, saying that 17 MS. : Okay. 17 they're leaving, those two are leaving and can 18 MR. : Cause we actually got 18 you please send me a medical summary and a 64? 19 those, some of these from -- 19 MR. : But the actual court list 20 MS. : So, you could probably look 20 wouldn't be emailed to anybody? 21 and see. 21 MS. : Yeah. It probably would. I 22 MR. But are they ever 22 don't know how the Marshal was doing it at that 23 emailed? 23 time. I think they were doing it just like 24 MS. : Because that would be 24 that. But we don't email the Marshals court 25 would, yeah, she would have did it, because she 25 list to anybody like that. EFTA00114732 41 42 1 MR. No, no, no. I mean, 1 MS. o. Huh-uh. 2 like, don't you create what you give to the 2 MR. Printed out, given out -- 3 SHU, saying 3 MS. : Given out. Yeah. Uh-huh. 4 MS. IIIII: It's a roster. It's on a, 4 MR. -- then basically 5 when we go on Sentry, that's how it's created. 5 shredded? 6 MR. But is it still on 6 MS. Yeah. 7 Sentry, that -- 7 MR. Trashed? 8 MS. o. It gets deleted. 8 MS. Uh-huh. 9 MR. Okay. 9 MR. All right. So there's no 10 MS. : Yeah. And we get a new, we do 10 way for us, whatever was created, saying what 11 a new one. 11 it said next to Efrain Reyes's name, whether it 12 MR. : Every day? 12 said WAB or not, there's no wa to tell -- 13 MS. rah. And that's what 13 MS. : I can ask to see -- 14 does. 14 MR. Yeah, yeah. We're going 15 MR. So, it's only kept for 15 to talk to her. 16 that one da 16 MS. : Yeah. Talk to, and see if she 17 MS. : Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. 17 has it. 18 MR. . And there's no way to -- 18 MR. : When she came in, just so 19 MS. And it's not really even kept. 19 you know, she was great. She was very 20 MR. . Right. 20 cooperative. 21 MS. : We just print it out. That's 21 MS. : Yeah. To see if -- 22 it. Like, we got, when we go in to do another 22 MR. : But we didn't have these 23 one, we got to delete the old one. 23 documents when we talked with her. 24 MR. : Okay. So, it's never 24 MS. : Yeah, to see if she has it. 25 kept for any period of time, really? 25 If ya'll could go back in her email, I don't 43 44 1 know how, cause she's the movement person. 1 this I.M. Fernandez, and it says on dry cell 2 MR. Right. 2 with staff watching, R&D. 3 MS. So, to see how far she went 3 MS...don't -- 4 back. 4 MR. : And then it says, "At 5 MR. Yeah, if you could ask 5 3:15 p.m., on August 9, 2019, Fernandez was 6 her, I mean it might come, mean more from you. 6 placed on dry cell from ZA," which is the SHU. 7 MS. Okay. She won't be back until 7 Do you know anything about this? 8 tomorrow. 8 MS. : NO. Huh-uh. 9 MR. Right. And we're hoping 9 MR. : No? 10 to be back here tomorrow. 10 MS. : Huh-uh. 11 MS. : Okay. She won't be back until 11 MR. : Does that ever, does that 12 12 tomorrow. She comes in at 12. 12 happen often that people are placed in dry cell 13 MR. Okay, perfect. Anything 13 and watched in R&D? 14 more on Re es before we move to Fernandez? 14 MS. : In R&D? No, cause we don't 15 MR. : No. 15 let them. Huh-uh. 16 MR. Okay. Do you have any 16 MR. : You don't let them do 17 (Indiscernible *00:25:56) any daily lieutenant 17 that? 18 logs? 18 MS. We don't let them do it, no. 19 MS. a. None. 19 MR. Do you know, do you 20 MR. . None? All right. So, if 20 recall at all being that the Epstein 21 you see on this daily lieutenant log, just to 21 involvement on there, this was the Friday 22 close out the loop with Reyes, it does actually 22 before it someone being in R&D? 23 say, we don't know when it was entered, but it 23 MS. : No, I don't recall at all. 24 does say at 8:38, he was pre-removed. Now, the 24 Huh-uh. 25 other person we wanted to talk to you about is 25 MR. Would that be something EFTA00114733 45 46 1 that you would have known? 1 MS. Z05 cell. 2 MS. : You know what. No. Huh-uh. 2 MR. : Yeah, I'm just trying to 3 MR. : No? 3 figure out where does it say the SHU part? 4 MS. : If they would have brought 4 MS. : Z is SHU. 5 them in and send them in there with the staff, 5 MR. : Z is SHU? 6 probably, if they would have told me, I would 6 MS. Uh-huh. 7 said, no. Take them back up to SHU and put 7 MR. : Okay. Placed in SHU on 8 them on a dr , cell. 8 8/2/2019? 9 MR. : Okay. 9 MS. : Okay. 10 MS. : Cause we don't put them down 10 MR. : And then it says that he 11 here, cause we're not watching them. 11 was removed and placed in, I guess, R&D. 12 MR. : So, if, so it says that 12 MS. : Yeah. RO1, yeah. I don't -- 13 he's with staff on R&D. 13 MR. : In RO1. But he wasn't 14 MS. : See, I don't even know what 14 keyed out until 8/10/2019, at 12:35 a.m. 15 staff they're talking about. Was he, was 15 MS...don't -- 16 another, was a custody staff watching him? 16 MR. : And then it says it was 17 MR. : Yeah, that I'm not sure 17 corrected, cause he was never keyed out of the 18 of. 18 SHU and placed into R&O until the following 19 MS. : Or was it R&D? You see what 19 morning. 20 I'm sayiniiIIIIIIII 20 MS. : Huh. 21 MR. : So, what I was going to 21 MR. : Do you know who would be 22 ask, though, is so he was never keyed out. If 22 responsible, if they are taking him from the 23 you see, here is the movements for Fernandez. 23 SHU and putting him in R&D, who would be 24 It shows that he was placed in, placed in Z, 24 responsible for actually making that movement? 25 let's see -- 25 MS. : The lieutenant. 47 48 1 MR. : The lieutenant would be? 1 submitted count slips. 2 MS. : Whatever lieutenant, either 2 MR. : To show, I don't have 3 the SHU lieutenant or operations lieutenant. 3 (Indiscernible *00:29:03). 4 MR. : Okay. So, if the SHU 4 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. The other 5 lieutenant is actually off that day? 5 ones. I liat_!ant to show her the names. 6 MS. : 0 erations. 6 MR. 'I'll': You want the 5 p.m., 10 p.m., 7 MR. Operations lieutenant? 7 and 12? 8 MS. Uh-huh. 8 MR. Nope. lust the 10 p.m. 9 MR. Okay. And not the SHU 9 and the 12. 10 staff? 10 MR. : I got the 10 p.m., and this 11 MS. : No. They can't. Huh-uh. 11 is the 12. 12 They don't have authorization to do that. 12 MR. Okay. So, this is 10 13 MR. : Okay. So it would have 13 p.m. 14 been the operations lieutenant that was 14 MR. 12 a.m. 15 responsible? 15 MR. Here's the count slip we 16 MS. : 0 erations lieutenant. Yes. 16 got from R&D, M. Arafat. (Phonetic Sp. 17 MR. Okay. All right. So, 17 *00:29:28). Would that be Custody or one of 18 let's see. And the operations lieutenant at 18 your people? 19 that time, I think, so, this would have 19 MS. : M. Arafat? No, that's 20 happened at 3:15, he was placed on that, that 20 Custody. 21 would have been , cause he was 2 to 10. 21 MR. That's a Custody person? 22 Do you want to quickly show, let me see the 10 22 MS. Yeah. That ain't us. Huh-uh. 23 p.m. and the 10 p.m. and the 12 a.m. counts? 23 MR. All right. Not an R&D 24 Cause I want to show her the count slips, so 24 person? 25 she can tell me who those people were that 25 MS. : Yeah. EFTA00114734 49 50 1 MR. : Okay. R&O. 1 to 2, and we got two shifts from 12 to 8 and 2 MS. : They just picked it up. I 2 then evening watch is 2 to 10. So we're not 3 think it was just in R&D. That's where the 3 even there after 10:00. 4 count was at, but that's not, Arafat wasn't in 4 MR. : Okay. So, as far as 5 our, huh-uh. 5 you're concerned, though, if the SHU lieutenant 6 MR. : And what about, this one 6 is out, when that inmate was moved from the SHU 7 is the same. This was the 12 a.m. -- 7 to the R&D, placed on dry cell, the Ops 8 MS. : Who is that? 8 lieutenant should have keyed -- 9 MR. : It looks like a Dupree 9 MS. : It should have been operations 10 and a Joyner? (Phonetic Sp. *00:29:52) 10 or the activit lieutenant. 11 MS. : Custody. 11 MR. : And not -- 12 MR. : That was Custody? 12 MS. I don't know which one. 13 MS. Yeah. Now, what time was 13 MR. : What about Control? 14 that? 14 Could have Control done it? 15 MR. : A minute -- 15 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 16 MR. : That one says 12:01 a.m. 16 MR. No? 17 MS. : We don't even work until, we 17 MS. : They, no, they don't have 18 work until 10 n.m. 18 authorization to move an inmate. 19 MR. : Would they be able to 19 MR. • Okay. So, just, okay. 20 have stayed in there? 20 MS. : Yeah. 21 MS. : Yeah. 21 MR. • So the lieutenant. 22 MR. By themselves? 22 And that would have been at 23 MS. : Anybody, yeah. Uh-huh. 23 that time. Do you mind just initialing and 24 MR. There you go. 24 dating these -- 25 MS. : Yeah. We work from 6 to 2, 6 25 MS. : Yes. 51 52 1 MR. -- to show what we talked 1 was from Tuesday, 8/6/2019. 2 about. (I,ernible *00:31:04). 2 MS. : Uh-huh. 3 MR. : Do you recall what time you 3 MR. : I know this was a long 4 left thaty/ 4 time ago, but do you remember at all, well, 5 MS. IIIII: I don't even remember if I was 5 first of all, what were those SHU meetings 6 here. If I was, I would have left by 2, 6 about? 7 sometimes 2:30 or something like that. Yeah, I 7 MS. : They just go around about the 8 don't even recall if I was here that day. The 8 inmates. Like the inmates on Unit 10, up 9 9th, right? Yeah. 9 there, and the SHU inmates. They just go 10 MR. : And then, thank you very 10 around where ever , inmate that is in SHU. 11 much. Here you go, . The next thing 11 MR. : Okay. 12 would be, we have had to do pretty thorough 12 MS. : Like, if they're on DS, if DS 13 email reviews and this is, where is it, 13 is over or they're on FBI referrals and stuff 14 something to do with you being involved with 14 like that. That's all it's about. 15 SHU meetillgs_pr something. 15 MR. : Okay. Did they talk at 16 MS. IIIII: Oh, I had to go when I was at 16 all about, like, if the cameras weren't working 17 the, to go to the SHU meeting. 17 or anythin like that in the SHU? 18 MR. Eirhat one? 18 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 19 MR. : Yep. I don't know how 19 MR. : That wouldn't be 20 (Indiscernible *00:32:16), or we were going 20 something ou discussed? 21 over it. Okay. So, this one, it says that, 21 MS. : Huh-uh. No. 22 please accept this appointment as a reminder to 22 MR. Do you know anything 23 attend the weekly complex SHU meetings. This 23 about the cameras not working in the SHU? 24 meeting is normally scheduled for every 24 MS. : No. 25 Wednesday at 9 a.m. And this one, it says it 25 MR. Or at the MCC at all? EFTA00114735 53 54 1 MS. 1 MS. : That's the door, and that's 2 MR. August 9th? 2 the lieutenant, and I forget what that door, 3 MS. Huh-uh. 3 the lieutenant's door is right there. 4 MR. No? Okay. So, it would 4 MR. : So, the lieutenant, is 5 be just talking about the inmates during this? 5 that, like, the SHU lieutenant? 6 MS. : Yes. That's all they talk 6 MS. : SHU lieutenants. Uh-huh. 7 about, the inmates yes. 7 MR. Okay. 8 MR. : All right. 8 MS. : Uh-huh. 9 MR. : Was there any specific 9 MR. So, the SHU lieutenant 10 discussions about Epstein? 10 actually sits right outside 10 South? 11 MS. : You know, I don't remember. 11 MS. : Half the time, he or she is 12 MR. : Anything that stands out, 12 not even in their office. They're running 13 like they might have mentioned, hey, he's on 13 around SHU. 14 Special Watch or anything like that? 14 MR. : Okay. So, like, the 15 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 15 officer's station is right here? 16 MR. Are you familiar with the 16 MS. : Yes. Uh-huh. 17 SHU? 17 MR. : And this is the SHU 18 MS. : Yes. 18 lieutenant's office? 19 MR. • Do you know what this is 19 MS. : SHU lieutenant, and that's 20 a picture 20 Unit 10. 21 MS. That's 10. This would be 10. 21 MR. So, that's news to me. 22 MR. . This is 10 South? 22 All right. Do you mind, I'll just do it for 23 MS. Ten South. 23 you. 24 MR. These are the doors to 10 24 MS. : Oh, you didn't know that? 25 South? 25 MR. : I knew, I knew the rest. 55 56 1 I just didn't know that this was the SHU LT. 1 tier, but if you don't know off the top of your 2 MS. : Yeah, the SHU lieutenant, 2 head, that's fine. 3 cause you come up the steps, right here. And 3 MS. : Okay. I don't know. You know 4 this is the SHU lieutenant, and then it's Unit 4 what? Yeah. It's probably 3, and it's H or 5 10 right there. 5 something down below. And then there's G tier 6 MR. : And this is the emergency 6 over here, going up the steps, going towards 7 exit? 7 Unit 10. Cause I don't really -- 8 MS. : Yes. Uh-huh. 8 MR. Yeah. Well, this is 9 MR. : And is this the, what is 9 that. 10 this? 10 MS. : Okay. 11 MS. The station, officer's 11 MR. : For our purposes, that's 12 station. 12 the big thing you provided to us, was that 13 MR. Officer's station? 13 that's the SHU lieutenant. 14 MS. Yes. 14 MS. : Okay. 15 MR. . So, I'm just going to say 15 MR. : And were you familiar 16 OS for this. Do you happen to know what that 16 with Epstein? What cell he was housed in? 17 goes to? 17 MS. : They told me afterwards, that 18 MS. : What tier is that? Is that, 18 that was his cell -- 19 no -- 19 MR. Not during that time? 20 MR. To the left? 20 MS. but not during the, huh-uh • 21 MS. -- I think L, is it L? I 21 MR. : Okay. 22 don't know 'which one that is. 22 MS. No. 23 MR. : That's fine, cause here's 23 MR. : That's fine. 24 the, according to this, it looks like it would 24 MS. Huh-uh. 25 be, this would be 3 tier and that would be L 25 MR. Do you mind just EFTA00114736 57 58 1 initialing and dating that? Thank you very 1 MR. Okay. Was there any talk 2 much. 2 at that time about Reyes or any of that stuff, 3 MS. : You're welcome. 3 about his cellmate being removed? 4 MR. . Here you go. Why did I 4 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 5 print this one out? Oh, this one just showed 5 MR. Nobody talked about that? 6 that you actually worked on August 10, 2019. I 6 MS. 7 guess you ut in for overtime. 7 MR. Did you learn anything 8 MS. : Yeah, I do -- 8 about that after the fact? 9 MR. For the emergency? 9 MS. : After. 10 MS. Uh-huh. 10 MR. : What did you learn? 11 MR. . Did you learn anything 11 MS. : I just learned that they said 12 during that time, when you were working, about 12 Reyes was his roommate. I didn't even know he 13 Epstein and his death? 13 was. 14 MS. : No, not really. I really 14 MR. Okay. 15 didn't, they told, they called me in. I really 15 MS. Yeah. At the time. 16 didn't want to come in. So, you know. 16 MR. Was there any talk about, 17 MR. : On Saturday? Why 17 like, he left, unbeknownst to the SHU staff or 18 wouldn't yri? 18 anything like that, or any talk about how it 19 MS. IIIII: I really, no, I really didn't 19 happened 20 want to come in. They called every, they 20 MS. No. Huh-uh. 21 called everybody in. I didn't want to come up 21 MR. -- or where he went? 22 in here. They just called everybody in. I 22 MS. No. Huh-uh. 23 just heard that he committed suicide and that's 23 MR. Cause when you came in, 24 it, and they just wanted all the staff to come 24 you first said, yeah, he went to court. Was 25 in. 25 that your understanding, he went to court? 59 60 1 MS. : Yeah. That's what I was, 1 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 2 yeah, that's my understanding, until you showed 2 MR. : No one has ever spoken to 3 me the thin . 3 anybody? 4 MR. : So was that the first 4 MS. : They never said nothing to us 5 time you're seeing -- 5 about anyiiiiiiiiii 6 MS. : Cause I wouldn't remember -- 6 MR. : Okay. And here we come. 7 MR. : -- that he actually 7 So, let's, filling in some blanks. Thank you. 8 wasn't in court, and he was transferred? 8 So nothing special from that day that you can 9 MS. : I probably seen it two years 9 think of? 10 ago, but I just didn't remember until you 10 MS. : No. Huh-uh. No. That I just 11 showed me, but I knew he went to court. They 11 didn't want to come in. 12 said he went to court, but nobody ever said 12 MR. Do you know of anything 13 WAB, you know what I mean? 13 about, like, records being destroyed during 14 MR. • Right, right, right. 14 that time or anybody recovering anything? 15 MS. So, until you showed me. 15 MS. : No. No. Huh-uh. Nothing. 16 MR. • So, you thought he went 16 Nothing. 17 to court? 17 MR. Do you remember where it, 18 MS. I thought he went to court. 18 what you did when you came in on that Saturday? 19 MR. And (Indiscernible 19 MS. : They just was, I know they 20 *00:36:59). 20 wanted his records. Like, the, like, I forget 21 MS. : Yeah, but then I found out 21 what they wanted, to make copies and everything 22 later that he has his Bunkie. 22 of stuff, of his file. That's what they 23 MR. : Okay. And did they ever 23 wanted. Copies of his file and stuff like 24 question R&D about, hey, is this, did he really 24 that. And they was asking us where his file 25 go to court or not? 25 was. EFTA00114737 61 62 1 MR. : Which file was that? 1 MR. : No? Okay. What about on 2 MS. : And stuff, Epstein's file. 2 the 9th? Were you in the SHU at all? 3 MR. : Yeah, what type of a 3 MS. : No. 4 file? 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MS. : It's just a regular generated 5 MS. : Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. Cause I 6 R&D file. It just has his remand in there. 6 don't think they would let us up there. I 7 You probably already have a copy of it. His 7 wouldn't have went anyhow. 8 remand, and fingerprint card has pictures in 8 MR. IIIIIIIIII: That's not important. 9 there, and stuff like that. That's all it is. 9 This one was an email we got. It said, please 10 MR. : But nothing to do with 10 join Human Resources Executive Staff in 11 the file that was actually in the SHU for, 11 congratulating (Phonetic Sp. 12 like, his feeding and his activities or 12 *00:38:40) Utilities Program Manager on his 13 anything like that? 13 selection to General Foreman here at the MCC 14 MS. : No. No. We don't get any of 14 New York. This was on Monday, August 5, 2019. 15 that. 15 Do you know if he started that date, or if that 16 MR. : Okay. 16 was just saying he was selected for it, and 17 MS. Huh-uh. 17 starting at a later date? 18 MR. : Do you know anything 18 MS. : Usually, it's just, he is 19 about that being destroyed or anything? 19 selected for that date. He is selected. They 20 MS. No. 20 just put out that he is selected. That's it. 21 MR. No? 21 MR. : But he wasn't actually 22 MS. 22 the General Foreman yet? 23 MR. Were you in the SHU at 23 MS. : I don't think he was. I don't 24 all at that time? 24 think, I wouldn't know. 25 MS. : No. 25 MR. : Okay. 63 64 1 MS. : But usually, they do put out 1 message." Is that what part of your duties -- 2 emails, saying congratulations, but you don't 2 MS. : Duty Officer. I was the Duty 3 start on that da 3 Officer for that week. 4 MR. Perfect. 4 MR. : And what does that mean? 5 MS. : Huh-uh. 5 MS. : Duty Officer is, like, when 6 MR. Thank you. And this is 6 the Warden and everybody is not here, I, and 7 one that was from_y22,_2ent on Sunda August 7 afterhours, anything that happens, they report 8 10, 2019,61. III'. Who is IIIIIII? 8 to me, as the Dut Officer. 9 MS. : He's Executive Assistant. 9 MR. : You're, like, the Warden? 10 This is his office. 10 MS. : Almost. Yeah, almost, 11 MR. Okay. 11 afterhours, but I still got to report 12 MS. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. 12 everything to the, who is the ID that is 13 MR. It says, "Wellness 13 underneath me, and that would be one of the 14 Checks." 14 AW's, and then the report to the Warden. 15 MS. : Yes. 15 MR. : 16 MR. : It says, "Good afternoon. 16 MS. : So, , he is over the 17 On 08-17-2019, called Officer 17 Duty Officer, so he asked me and I guess other 18 MS. : Yes. 18 people that was the Duty Officer to call and do 19 MR. : -- at 2 p.m. No answer. 19 a Wellness Check on them. 20 Left a message. On 08-17, called Officer Noel 20 MR. Did you ever speak with 21 at 2:02 p.m. No answer. Left a message." And 21 them? 22 then it says, "On 08-18-2019, called Officer 22 MS. : Nope. 23 at 1 p.m., no answer. Left a message. 23 MR. : No? 24 On 08-18-2019, called Officer Noel at 1:03 24 MS. : Huh-uh. 25 p.m., the phone went to voicemail, left a 25 MR. : So, just called. Never EFTA00114738 65 66 1 got to -- 1 rounds. 2 MS. : lust called. Never. Huh-uh. 2 MR. Okay. But does, had you 3 MR. : Okay. So, did you ever 3 heard of anybody not doing it prior to that 4 speak to them about this matter, ever? 4 time? 5 MS. : No. Never. 5 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 6 MR. Neither nor Noel? 6 MR. : No? Okay. Do you have 7 MS. No. Huh-uh. 7 any reason to believe that they did or did not 8 MR. Okay. Have you seen 8 do rounds or counts? 9 them? 9 MS. : I wouldn't know, cause I 10 MS. : No. 10 wasn't there. 11 MR. : Okay. Any, do you know 11 MR. Sure. 12 anything about the matter with regards to 12 MS. : So I wouldn't know. 13 and Noel? 13 MR. And this is just a simple 14 MS. : I just know that they was up 14 question, because in looking through, and this 15 in SHU at the time when Epstein, and everything 15 isn't any kind of, anything other than just a 16 happened with E stein. That's all I know. 16 question, in looking through your emails, you 17 MR. : Okay. Did you hear 17 had a lot of emails from the 8th and then a lot 18 anything about, like, not doing counts or 18 of emails after the 15th. 19 rounds or an thing like that? 19 MS. : Uh-huh. 20 MS. : Yeah, I heard that. 20 MR. : And only one on the 9th 21 MR. • Does that surprise you? 21 and nothing surrounding that. By any chance, 22 MS. : Yeah. 22 did you receive anything that would have been 23 MR. • It does? 23 related to E stein or Reyes and deleted it? 24 MS. : Yeah. Cause that's 24 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 25 Corrections 101. You're supposed to do your 25 MR. : No? Okay. 67 68 1 MS. : Huh-uh. 1 ability to do that, but if you're telling us 2 MR. : So, it would have just 2 that the hot list is in there, I don't know 3 been potentially a light, this is from your 3 that there would be a reason. So, it's the 4 inbox, potentially a light, light day? 4 primary, you said the hot list is, not the hot 5 MS. : Probably a light day. Uh-huh. 5 list, I'm sorry. The court list. 6 MR. Okay. 6 MS. : The roster, yeah, the court 7 MS. : Yep. 7 list. 8 MR. But never, you don't 8 MR. All right. Now, I'm just 9 remember ever receiving anything or sending 9 going to go over these broad topics. It sounds 10 anything regarding -- 10 like you're probably not going to have much 11 MS. IIIII: No, that I, no, I don't 11 information on it -- 12 remember. Huh-uh. 12 MS. Okay. 13 MR. -- Epstein or Reyes? 13 MR. -- but just to make sure 14 MS. No. Huh-uh. 14 we're coverin and checking off all our boxes. 15 MR. . Okay. 15 MS. • Okay. 16 MS. : If ya'll find something, ya'll 16 MR. And some of this might be 17 can remind me. I don't -- 17 a little bit repetitive. What do you know of 18 MR. No, no, no, no. There's, 18 Epstein's alleged first suicide attempt on July 19 we haven't done a deep dive. 19 23, 2019? 20 MS. : Yeah, I don't -- 20 MS. : I don't know anything. 21 MR. I just, I don't know what 21 MR. No? Did you know that he 22 you would be involved in, so I just, we have 22 attempted to commit suicide? 23 to, I figured I would ask. 23 MS. : No. I found out afterwards, 24 MS. : Nothing. Nothing. 24 after the second one. 25 MR. Probably always the 25 MR. Okay. EFTA00114739 69 70 1 MS. : Yeah. 1 visits? 2 MR. : And you found out that he 2 MS. 3 had attempted suicide (Indiscernible 3 MR. No? What do you know 4 *00:43:05 ? 4 about falsified counts being conducted in the 5 MS. : Yeah, prior. Yes. Uh-huh. 5 SHU on Au9i11_9th and 10th of 2019? 6 MR. : Do you know if, like, he 6 MS. IIIII: I don't know anything about 7 attempted to commit suicide or did you hear 7 that. I .iust,l about it. 8 anything about, maybe, his cellmate had tried 8 MR. : Okay. Are you aware of 9 to harm him? 9 rounds not being conducted and being falsified 10 MS. : No. I just heard that he 10 on August 9th and August 10th of 2019? 11 attempted suicide. 11 MS. : I just heard about it. 12 MR. : Okay. Do you know if he 12 MR. You heard about it? 13 was placed on suicide watch? 13 MS. Uh-huh. 14 MS. : No. I wouldn't know that. I 14 MR. But no firsthand 15 don't know that. 15 knowledge? 16 MR. : Okay. So, do you know 16 MS. Huh-uh. 17 anything about him being prematurely removed 17 MR. And when you say you 18 from suicide watch or psychological 18 heard about both of those, who did you hear 19 supervision? 19 about it from? 20 MS. : No. I don't know. Huh-uh. 20 MS. : Everybody talking around the 21 MR. : Do you know anything 21 jail. 22 about potentially anyone, the Judge calling the 22 MR. But not like someone with 23 Warden and asking him to be removed from 23 specific information? 24 psychological observation or suicide watch so 24 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 25 that he could continue with his attorney 25 MR. Okay. Are you aware if 71 72 1 the MCC and SHU cameras were working on August 1 I don't know if he was working in Com Tech at 2 9th and 10th of 2019? 2 the time. And the other one is 3 MS. : No, I'm not aware if they were 3 MR. : Okay. So. 4 working or wasn't working. 4 MS. : So, I don't know, I don't know 5 MR. Have you heard any rumors 5 if they got access to remove stuff. I don't, I 6 about that? 6 7 MS. No. Huh-uh. 7 Okay. 8 MR. No? Is this the first 8 MS. I just know they deal with the 9 you're hearing about anything to do with the 9 telephones and stuff like that. 10 cameras? 10 MR. : Okay. is the other 11 MS. : Yeah. I thought, I didn't 11 person? 12 even know they had cameras. I don't normally 12 MS. : Yeah. 13 pay attention. 13 MR. 14 MR. : Do you know who had 14 MS. : And I don't know if it's Com 15 access to cameras and could have intentionally 15 Tech, if it's Computer Services. Is it on the 16 taken them offline? 16 computer or is the cameras? 17 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 17 MR. I'm speaking about the 18 MR. : No? Do you know who 18 cameras. 19 would be responsible for the camera system 19 MS. Cameras? Yeah. It's 20 here, thou h? 20 and The 're Com Techs. 21 MS. : I know it's the Com Tech. 21 MR. But you're not sure if 22 MR. : And who would have worked 22 actuall 23 for the Com Tech? 23 MS. : I don't, yeah, I don't, I'm 24 MS. : They do the cameras and stuff 24 not sure if actually worked in Com Tech 25 like that. What's his name? One is , but 25 at the time. EFTA00114740 73 74 1 MR. Okay. Do you know if 1 MS. : Nothing. 2 Epstein was in his assigned cell on August 10, 2 MR. : Did Epstein take his own 3 2019? 3 life? 4 MS. : No, I wouldn't know. 4 MS. I.don't know. 5 MR. : Any rumors about that, 5 MR. : Did Epstein act alone in 6 either? 6 taking his own life? 7 MS. No. Huh-uh. 7 MS...don't know. 8 MR. Do you know if cell 8 MR. : Did you have any 9 searches were being conducted in the SHU in 9 involvement with Epstein's death? 10 July and August of 2019? 10 MS. : No. 11 MS. : No. I wouldn't know. 11 MR. : What would have prevented 12 MR. Any rumors or anything? 12 Epstein's death? 13 MS. No. 13 MS...don't know. 14 MR. • Do you have any knowledge 14 MR. : Or what actions should 15 of Epstein placing a telephone call in the SHU 15 have been taken to prevent his death? 16 on August 9, 2019? 16 MS...don't know. 17 MS. : No. 17 MR. : What are some of the 18 MR. No? Rumors about that, 18 systematic problems inside the MCC, and 19 either? 19 specifically, the SHU that allowed for Epstein 20 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 20 to die? 21 MR. And what do you know 21 MS. : They need more training. 22 about someone else taking Epstein's life? 22 MR. More training? 23 MS. : Nothing. 23 MS. Yeah. 24 MR. : What do you know about 24 MR. Training on what? 25 others assisting with taking Epstein's life? 25 MS. On just, just working SHU, 75 76 1 cause we of a lot of new staff here. 1 that might help us, like, whoo? 2 MR. . At the time, too? 2 MS. : No. No, I don't know 3 MS. : I think so. And we was, we 3 anything. You're funny. 4 didn't have staff either. 4 MR. Okay. What is this, for 5 MR. : Uh-huh. 5 the -- 6 MS. : And stuff like that, but a lot 6 MR. : The list that she, documents 7 of staff need training, cause a lot of people 7 she -- 8 don't know how to work SHU. So they need more 8 MR. Oh. So, this is, 9 training. 9 put together a list that if you're able to -- 10 MR. : Okay. More training on 10 MS. Ilay. 11 how, that they need to be conducting rounds and 11 MR. : follow-up with any of 12 counts? 12 this, that would be great. 13 MS. : Conducting rounds and just how 13 MS. : I will. 14 to interact with the inmates up there. 14 MR. • I appreciate it. 15 MR. . Okay. So training. 15 MS. Okay. 16 MS. Uh-huh. 16 MR. I will give you my email, 17 MR. Assuming training and 17 so that you can 18 staffing? 18 MS. : Okay. 19 MS. Yes. 19 MR. -- email to me if you're 20 MR. Anything else you want to 20 able. So, it's a long last name, but that's -- 21 add? 21 MS. : Okay. You want 8/19, that's 22 MS. That's it. 22 all right. You want 8/19, 8/9 and 8/10, 23 MR. : Anything else? 23 example of the Marshals receipt, example of 24 MR. Anything else we're 24 internal court list. Okay. 25 missing? Anything to do with the Epstein thing 25 MR. Awesome. Thank you so EFTA00114741 77 78 1 much. 1 MS. Yes. Uh-huh. Sentry. 2 MS. : You spell Sentry like Century 2 MR. : Yeah. Yeah. It's just, 3 21. 3 it's just an S instead of a C. 4 MR. . It's S-E-N-T-R-Y. 4 MR. Mikay. 5 MS. It's S-E-N-T-R -- 5 MR. : So now you know. So, if 6 MR. Oh, Sentry? 6 you're ever reaching out to the BOP, it's an S. 7 MR. Yeah. 7 MR. : S. Which I should have known 8 MS. Yeah, S-E-N. 8 by now. 9 MR. : Oh. I heard Century, and I 9 MR. But anything else before 10 wrote Centur 10 I turn off the recorder? 11 MS. No. It's Sentry. 11 MS. : No. That's it. Nice meeting 12 MR. No. 12 ya'11. 13 MR. : Sentry? 13 MR. All right. It is 14 MR. Yeah, so you know, BOP, 14 Wednesday, August 4, 2021. The time is 2:10 15 Sentry is with an S. 15 m. This is Senior Special Agent 16 MR. : I swear I heard Century. I 16 and I'm stopping the recorder. 17 was like -- 17 18 MS. : That's all right. 18 19 MR. No, no, no. It's 19 20 pronounced the same. It's just -- 20 21 MS. : It's probably my braces. 21 22 MR. : Oh. 22 23 MS. : Yeah. 23 24 MR. It's just that, no, but 24 25 you would pronounce it the same, wouldn't you? 25 79 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of , Transcriber EFTA00114742