EFTA00114743

1 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 4, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 3 4 1 The recorder is on. My 1 credentials. 2 name is and I am a Senior 2 : Thank you. And I'm 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 3 II . 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New 4 Okay. And what is your 5 York Field Office, and these are my 5 position? 6 credentials. 6 : Supervisory Correctional 7 : Okay. 7 Systems Suecialist. 8 This interview with 8 Great. Thank you. This 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee 9 is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into the 10 is being conducted as part of an official U.S. 10 death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the 11 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 11 surrounding circumstances, and you are being 12 General, DOJ/OIG investigation. Today's date 12 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 13 is August 4, 2021, and the time is 1:22 p.m. 13 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 14 This interview is being conducted at the 14 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 15 Metropolitan Correctional Center, the MCC, 15 : Yes. 16 located in New York, New York. Also present is 16 : Thank you. So, there's a 17 DOJ/OIG Special Agent . This 17 form here. It's the United States Department 18 interview will be recorded by me, 18 of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, 19 . 19 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 20 Could everyone please identify themselves 20 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. 21 for the record and spell your last name. To 21 "You are being asked to provide information as 22 start wain I am DO] OIG Senior Siecial Agent 22 part of an investigation being conducted by the 23 23 Office of the Inspector General. This 24 : This is DOJ/OIG Special Agent 24 investigation is being conducted, pursuant to 25 , , and these are my 25 the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. EFTA00114743 S 6 1 This investigation pertains to job performance 1 says employee's signature. If you sign there, 2 failure and security failure. This is a 2 and then em loyee's name 3 voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not 3 Okay. 4 have to answer questions. No disciplinary 4 -- you can print your S action will be taken against you if you choose 5 name there. Thank you. 6 not to answer questions. Any statements you 6 : You want my whole name? I'll 7 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 7 put it on there. (Indiscernible *00:02:38) 8 criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary 8 What time is it? 9 proceedings, or both." 9 1:24 p.m. 10 And there's a waiver section. It says, "I 10 : Thank you for completing 11 understand the warnings and assurances stated 11 that. I can fill in the rest, though. 12 above, and I am willing to make a statement and 12 Okay. 13 answer questions. No promises or threats have 13 : So, where it says, 14 been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of 14 employee's name, is it something other than 15 any kind has been used against me." 15 or 16 So, again, it's just reminding you that 16 : No. That's me. 17 you do not have to answer our questions. If 17 Oh, that's a W? 18 there's something you feel uncomfortable with 18 Yeah, that's a W. 19 or if you want to stop at any time, you can 19 Oh, I thought it was a G. 20 say, e I can, I'm done. 20 no, that's a W. 21 : Okay. 21 Thank you. I'm filling 22 : Make sense? 22 in the MCC, New York, as the place. And I'm 23 : Yes. 23 oin to sign. Again, this is 24 : Awesome. So, if you 24 and print my name. And Special 25 agree with that, here, you can review this. It 25 Agent can you please sign? 7 8 1 : This is Agent . I'm 1 Thank you. And your DOB? 2 signin as the witness. 2 ril 2000, I think, 21. 3 : All right. And if any of 3 April 2021? 4 these, you don't feel comfortable answering, 4 My date of birth? Oh, 5 that's totall fine. 5 6 : Okay. 6 Well, welcome. What's 7 . 16 This is just to verify 7 number? 8 who you are. Oh, first, before we start, I 8 9 need to place you under oath. Can you please 9 And what is your current 10 raise our right hand? 10 cellphone number? 11 12 13 14 SW Uh-huh. : Do you swear to tell the 12 truth and nothing but the truth during this interview? 11 13 14 level of education? And what is your highest Associates Degree. 15 Yes. 15 : And what is that degree 16 : Awesome. And if there is 16 i n? 17 anything you don't understand or you want me to 17 : In Criminal Justice. 18 rephrase or ask it another way, please, by all 18 : And where is that from? 19 means -- 19 20 Okay. 20 : And where is that? 21 -- ask me to do so and I 21 In Georgia. 22 will. What is your current home address? 22 : In Georgia? 23 23 : Uh-huh. 24 24 : Is, the name of the, 25 25 what's the town? EFTA00114744 9 10 1 : I don't, 1 Great. Do you have any 2 It's an online school. 2 militar 3 4 r 5 school. Oh, okay. nationally-accredited online 4 3 5 Okay. And how long have you served with the Bureau of Prisons? 6 Okay, great. And when 6 : It's 20 years, 20-1/2 years, 7 did you attend? 7 it will be 21 in A ril. 8 : I attended in 2017, and I 8 : Do you recall your Enter 9 finished in 2019. 9 on Dut date? 10 Okay. Great. And what 10 : April 2000. I don't know the 11 rior to working for the BOP? 11 day, but I know the year, 2001. 12 : I used to work for 12 So April 2001? 13 . I used to 13 : Uh-huh. 14 work for a detention center. They used to 14 : Great. And when did you, 15 contract illegal immigrant kids and stuff like 15 do you remember when you went to BOP training, 16 that, for the overnment. 16 when 17 : Okay. And when did you 17 : I went in August of 2001. I 18 do that? 18 went in, yeah, August, either July or August, 19 : I did that in, I started here 19 and I came back a week before 9/11 hit. 20 in 2001. I started there, I think it was in 20 : Okay. And what is your 21 1998, I'm thinkin . '97, '98. 21 curreiiiiiiiiion with the BOP? 22 : So you did that for, 22 : Supervisory Correctional 23 like, three or four years? 23 Systems S ecialist. 24 : Yeah, three or four years, 24 : Are you familiar with 25 yes. 25 Jeffrey Epstein? 11 12 1 : Yeah. I heard, he's all on 1 And you supervise all of 2 the news and stuff like that, and he was here. 2 that staff? 3 So, yeah. 3 Uh-huh. 4 Okay. Great. Sorry. 4 : And how long have you 5 I'm going to circle back to that last question. 5 been -- 6 : Okay. 6 : Yeah. It's another supervisor 7 As that Supervisory 7 there also. 8 Correctional Services -- 8 Oh, there's two of you? 9 : Uh-huh. 9 : Yeah, it's two of us. 10 -- Specialist, what does 10 And who is the other one? 11 that job duty and responsibilities, what does 11 : Her name is 12 that all entail? 12 13 : I'm the supervisor of intake, 13 Do you happen to know how 14 intake and receiving, receiving and discharge 14 to spell that last name? 15 of inmates, when they come in and when they 15 But she goes 16 leave. 16 by 17 Okay. 17 Oh, okay. 18 : We supervise the staff. 18 : Yeah. 19 : And you, so, basically, 19 So, is a second 20 is that considered R&D? 20 last name? 21 R&D, yes. 21 : Yeah. Uh-huh. 22 : So, receiving and 22 . Uh-huh. 23 dischiiiiiiiii 23 : Okay. Okay. And do you, 24 : Yes. Receiving and 24 like, differentiate between your duties, the 25 discharging. Yes. 25 two of you? EFTA00114745 13 14 1 : No, not really. We all do the 1 position at that time, correct? 2 same thin' cause we're on different shifts. 2 : Yes. 3 : Okay. 3 : And you have already 4 : So, we do the same thing on 4 described your duties and responsibilities. 5 each shift. 5 Did you have any interaction or involvement 6 : Okay. So you both are 6 with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? 7 responsible for the same thing? 7 : No. 8 : Yes. Uh-huh. 8 : What about when he came 9 : Just different times of 9 in or when he -- 10 day? 10 : No. I don't recall. No. I 11 : Just the times of day, yes. 11 don't think I ever seen him. 12 : How long have you been in 12 : No? 13 that •osition? 13 : Huh-uh. No. 14 : I've been in the position, it 14 : Okay. 15 will be three ears in April. 15 : Huh-uh. 16 : And do you remember when 16 : Not on suicide watch or 17 you started? 17 anythin' like that? 18 : I started in April 2019. 18 : No. Huh-uh. 19 : Okay. Great. All right. 19 : Or in SHU? 20 Now, are ou familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? 20 : No. 21 : Yes. 21 : Okay. 22 : Okay. And was he housed 22 : Huh-uh. 23 within the MCC in July and August of 2019? 23 : Do you recall if you 24 : Yes. I think so. Yes. 24 actually worked at the MCC on August 9th and 25 : And you had the same 25 10th, 2019? 15 16 1 : I don't recall, but I probably 1 years a'o. 2 did day watch, 6 to 2. I probably was here 2 Sure. 3 Burin the da ,. 3 : So I don't remember who was 4 : Okay. So, 6 a.m. to 2 4 on. 5 p.m.? 5 Do you all, like, so, R&D 6 : Yes. 6 is a different piece with us. We have, like, 7 On August 9th? 7 all, like, the, oh, what is it called, the 8 : Uh-huh. I probably was. I 8 daily, like, schedule and logs of everybody who 9 got to look at m -- 9 worked -- 10 That would be a Friday. 10 : All the lieutenants, yeah, 11 : Yeah. I have to look at it, 11 that's the lieutenant log. 12 and see if I was here. 12 : Yeah. Do you guys, well, 13 . Okay. And would they 13 this is different. I'm talking about, like, 14 have been the same duties and responsibilities 14 the, like, who was working in the custody side 15 that ou have described? 15 of the house. Do you guys have, like, anything 16 : Yes. Yes. 16 like that, like, for instance, here would be 17 : Okay. 17 the Aiiiiiiiii 2019 daily assignment roster. 18 : Uh-huh. 18 : Yeah. We have a daily 19 : And who would you 19 assignment but not a roster. 20 primaiiiiiiiii with during that time? 20 : Okay. 21 : I work with all the CSOs, 21 : It's a daily assignment. It 22 Correctional Systems Officers. I don't know 22 will have, like, everybody's name that's on it, 23 who was on that da -- 23 and we 'List check off who is here. 24 Okay. 24 Okay. 25 : -- cause that was, like, two 25 : And then we'll put who is not EFTA00114746 17 18 1 here, like, AL for Annual Leave, SL for Sick 1 : He's over in Brooklyn now. 2 Leave. But we do have that, but it doesn't 2 : Okay. 3 look like that. 3 : Over there. 4 Okay. So, would we be 4 : And what was his position 5 able to go back and see who actually worked on 5 then? 6 August 9 2019? 6 He's a CMC. 7 : Ninth, yes, we should have it. 7 : What does a CMC stand 8 Yes. 8 for? 9 Can I ask you terribly to 9 Case Manager Coordinator. 10 do me some favors and start, can you, can we 10 : Okay. 11 start a list and ask you to, like, provide some 11 : Yeah. CMC, Case Manager 12 of this stuff for us? 12 Coordinator. Uh-huh. 13 : Yeah. You can write it down. 13 : And who would be the Case 14 Uh-huh. 14 Manager Coordinator now? 15 Awesome. So, if you want 15 16 to start, , just, the first one would be 16 Mir 0h, he's still the same 17 who was assigned on August 9th, August 8th and 17 one? 18 9th, 2019. And did you report to anyone? Who 18 : But he's still the same 19 did yiiiiiiiii to back then? 19 person but he's 'ust over in Brooklyn. 20 : My supervisor was 20 : When you say Brooklyn, at 21 (Phonetic Sp. *00:10:12) We call him 21 the MDC? 22 can't even pronounce, we call, his last name, I 22 : MDC, Brooklyn. Yes. 23 can't even pronounce his last name, but we call 23 : Okay. 24 him 24 t: Yes. 25 Okay. 25 : And did all those people 19 20 1 that you mentioned that work in R&D, did they 1 any information with regard to any suspicious 2 report to ou? 2 activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th, 3 Yes. 3 2019 -- 4 . Okay. 4 : No. 5 Uh-huh. Me and 5 : -- leading up to the 6 Okay. And were you 6 discover of Epstein in his cell? 7 previously interviewed under this 7 : No. 8 investigation? 8 : No? Okay. So, these 9 No. 9 are, now, we'll get into kind of the reason why 10 • No? 10 we're here, is to get into this documentation. 11 Huh-uh. 11 So, we have, there's an inmate, it's, Epstein 12 • Do you have any, what is 12 was housed with a cellmate named Efrain Reyes. 13 your understanding of what happened to Epstein 13 : Uh-huh. 14 on Auiiiiiiiiland 10th of 2019? 14 : And we have a couple of 15 : That he just committed 15 things comin from the U.S. Marshalls Service. 16 suicide. That's it. 16 : Okay. 17 : Okay. So, do you know 17 : Saying what was going on 18 how he died? 18 with Efrain Reyes. So, here is one. It says 19 No. Huh-uh. 19 it's from a Sampson (Phonetic Sp. *00:12:04) 20 : No? Do you know if he, 20 Choo. 21 like, died of hanging or anything like that? 21 : Yeah, Choo. Uh-huh. 22 : I guess it was hanging. I 22 : C-H-0-0. It was sent on 23 heard it was hanging, but I don't, I didn't 23 Thursda Au ust 8, 2019, at 10:34 a.m. 24 reall , like, ask, cause -- 24 : Uh-huh. 25 : Okay. And do you have 25 : And it's, you're one of EFTA00114747 21 22 1 the, it looks like it says R (Indiscernible 1 person with the Marshalls Service, saying - 2 *00:12:14 2 3 Yeah, that's all R&D. Yeah. 3 4 : Okay. So, it was sent to 4 : -huh. 5 all R&D. 5 E : Uh.6 Again, this is all, like, 6 : Uh-huh. Yeah. 6 R&D. 7 : And yourself, and it 7 R&D and other staff, yes. 8 says, "Transfer of Prisoners from NYM to Geo." 8 : As well as the 9 To Geo, yes. 9 lieutenants and, okay. 10 : So, is that from the MCC 10 es. Uh-huh. 11 to the contract facility? 12 : Yeah, from MCC, and he's 11 12 "Prisoner i : There's you, and it says, production, 8/9/2019." Thursday, 13 transferrin to Geo, yes. 13 August 8, 2019. 14 : Okay. Great. And then, 14 Was sent out -- 15 in the body, it says, "The following prisoners 15 : That was sent at 3:36 16 are to be transferred." 16 p.m. 17 Yes. 17 Uh-huh. 18 : It says Jayvon Busey 18 : And then within it, it 19 (Phonetic Sp. '00:12:37) and then Efrain Reyes. 19 has the prisoner's schedule report, and the 20 Yes. 20 second person, there are the two people that I 21 : "Please schedule transfer 21 just listed -- 22 for Frida 9/19." 22 Yes. 23 : Uh-huh. 23 -- and the second person 24 : And we have another one, 24 being Efrain Reyes. 25 the same date, it says it's from a different 25 : Yes. 23 24 1 And it says, "Transfer 1 movement. 2 within." 2 Okay. So, based upon 3 Yes. 3 this, does this, cause this person also is 4 : Does this tell you what 4 listed as transfer within, court. 5 happened with Efrain Reyes? 5 : Yeah, and court. Yes. 6 : This just says that he 6 : And everybody else -- 7 transferred to Geo. That's it. That's what 7 : Uh-huh. 8 this saes. He's transferring. 8 -- no one else has that 9 Okay. 9 next to their name. They all have, like, 10 : That's all it says. But right 10 senteiiiiiiiiiring, sentencing, status hearing. 11 here, when they do a transfer, I don't know, 11 : Yeah, but that still, the type 12 like, right here, this says court. So, I don't 12 is court. That's just what they're going to 13 know if he went out to court and then they 13 court for. 14 transferred him ou see what I'm saying? 14 : Right. So, this one, 15 Uh-huh. 15 though, being that says transfer within, court 16 M r : Cause this says court. And 16 17 plus, as me being a supervisor, I don't do the 17 : Transfer, he's transferring, 18 movement. 18 and he Indiscernible *00:14:16). 19 : Okay. So who, who -- 19 : Does that mean he was 20 : I'm not the movement officer. 20 going to court, or that's just an automatic 21 : So who would do that? 21 field? 22 22 : I guess that's automatically, 23 would be the one? 23 they put that there, cause this is the U.S. 24 : Yes. Yeah, she does the 24 Marshalls form. So, I think they automatically 25 movement. %le and , we don't do the 25 just put that there. I think what it is, is EFTA00114748 25 26 1 that when they come and pick up the inmates, 1 : Okay. 2 cause the U.S. Marshalls will pick up the 2 : That the BOP, that we just go 3 inmates. 3 on Sentry and do a PP 64 and put the reg 4 : Uh-huh. 4 number, and we put T for transfer, and down at 5 : And they will transfer them. 5 the bottom, we could put as many reg, I think 6 So, I guess they go sit over there, like 6 it's like 20 reg numbers down there, of whoever 7 they're going to court, and then Geo comes over 7 inmates are leaving, and then a 64 will be 8 there and they pick them up from the U.S. 8 printed out. 9 Marshalls. 9 : Okay. 10 : Okay. 10 : And it's just a transit form. 11 : That's how it works. 11 : Now is there something 12 : So, when someone is 12 that's like, would these people be placed on 13 transferred, so, when these people are 13 the court list, though? 14 transferred from here to Geo -- 14 : Yes. Yes. 15 : Uh-huh. 15 : Okay, so they would be 16 : -- what document is 16 put on the court -- 17 created by, I guess it sounds like , but 17 : They would be placed on the 18 by the BOP Indiscernible *00:14:53). 18 court list es. Yes. 19 : We only do like a, we need, 19 : And what would it say 20 like a transfer receipt from the Marshalls, 20 next to their name? 21 saying that they're going to transfer and we 21 : WAB. 22 usuall List need a 64. 22 : And that's it? 23 : Uh-huh. 23 : Yes. That's it. 24 : And a medical summary. A 64 24 : Okay. 25 is a transit form. 25 : Uh-huh. That's what she 27 28 1 usuall uts, WAB, on there. 1 So, would those people 2 : Now, if that court list 2 know if he was going to court or being 3 is provided to us, so if Epstein was housed in 3 transferred? 4 the SHU, the SHU would be provided that court 4 They wouldn't know that. 5 list, correct? 5 : They wouldn't know that? 6 Yes. 6 They would know it was WAB? 7 : It would say -- 7 : Cause it's really, like, it's 8 : It would be like a, it's like 8 reall none of their business. 9 a roster. It's not -- 9 Right. Okay. 10 I said Epstein, I'm 10 : Yeah. They would just know 11 sorry, I mean, Efrain Reyes. 11 that he's one. You know what I mean? 12 : Yeah, it's like -- 12 : Well, because, like, kind 13 If Reyes was housed in 13 of like when you said, when I said, you knew 14 the SHU 14 who Efrain, or, you know, Epstein was or is, 15 : It's like a roster. They 15 you said, eah, he went to court. 16 wouldn't get this or anything like that. It's 16 : Yeah. Uh-huh. 17 just like you go on Sentry and you print out a 17 Cause, is that -- 18 roster and it will have his name on there, and 18 : Yeah, cause, I'm - 19 then we'll write down what unit he's on, and 19 • -- so, like, that's 20 then internal will come and pick it up, or they 20 actuaiiiiiiiiiumor? 21 will hand it out, whatever, whoever is going 21 : That's what, that's what it 22 out to court, that's the unit that they give 22 would be, or we'll call up there, like, are you 23 the court list to. 23 going to send Efrain Reyes down, and they will 24 Okay. 24 say, yeah, he's going to court, and then if he 25 : That's how it works. 25 doesn't come back, we might call up there, or EFTA00114749 29 30 1 they will know that he's not, cause he's not, 1 Okay. And I think this 2 or the '11 call us and ask us. 2 may have been what you were saying. Is there 3 • Okay. 3 any way for the SHU staff to know, he's leaving 4 : You know? Or something like 4 and niiiiiiiii back, rather than -- 5 that. So, they should have, I'm thinking they 5 : See, we don't, like, it 6 should have known we would have probably, 6 depends. Cause we really don't, we really 7 somebody probably would have told them that he 7 don't tell them, like, if I talk to them, I 8 wasn't comin back he was getting transferred. 8 might sa like he's not coming back. 9 : Okay. So, as far as 9 : Okay. 10 this, there's the daily log, 8/9/2019, and on 10 S: Or so, I might tell them, so I ill 11 the third page of this shows Reyes, pre- 11 don't know, on that day, who called up there 12 removed. 12 and told them to have him ready, you know what 13 : Yes. 13 I mean? And have him ready, and he's not 14 : Now, if he was just going 14 comin back. 15 to court -- 15 : Now, who would normally 16 : It would say court. 16 call and tell them that? 17 : Yeah. It wouldn't say 17 : It would be the person that's 18 pre-removed? 18 workino in R&D. 19 : It wouldn't say pre-removed. 19 • Okay. So would it be 20 Yes. 20 probabl for this, as well? 21 So, this is, by looking 21 : It wouldn't be . Yeah, 22 at all of this, I'm assuming you can tell, 22 she just does the movement. 23 yeah, he was never going to court. He was 23 Okay. 24 alwayiliiiiilio be transferred? 24 : That's it. 25 : He was going, yes. Yes. Yes. 25 : It wouldn't have been 31 32 1 her? 1 "with all belongings." 2 No, it wouldn't have been her. 2 : Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's 3 : All right. 3 true. 4 : She just does the movement. 4 So, a person who would 5 So, it would be the person that's on the front 5 say, yeah, I know it's with all belongings, 6 desk. 6 and, you know, we know it's very likely there 7 So, if the people that 7 is not going to come back, but we don't know 8 escorted Re es down -- 8 for sure. Does that sound at all reasonable? 9 : Uh-huh. 9 : They probably would have 10 • -- to R&D and they knew 10 asked, like, called to see if he was coming 11 that WAB was actually, in fact, listed next to 11 back. Like, it was after, maybe 4:00 or 12 his name -- 12 somethin like that -- 13 Uh-huh. 13 : Then they usually would - 14 -- should have they known 14 15 that he is not coming back, if it says WAB? 15 : -- they probably would have 16 Not really. 16 asked if he was coming back, cause, like, when 17 : No? 17 I first transferred here, I worked in Brooklyn 18 : Because they don't work R&D. 18 and then I transferred to Butner. I didn't 19 You see what I mean? They work custody. 19 know what WAB meant -- 20 Okay. 20 Right. 21 : So, it depends who was up 21 until I got here, cause we 22 there. It could have been new staff, who 22 don't use WAB ou see what I mean? 23 knows. Cause a lot of people don't know what 23 : Yeah, but if these 24 WAB does. 24 people, if these people absolutely said no, we 25 Well, they know it means 25 know what WAB is -- EFTA00114750 33 34 1 AB, yes. 1 staff, some people are saying, yep, I knew he 2 -- but they thought, you 2 was WAB, but there's always a chance that he 3 know, if they're claiming, well, we thought he 3 could, he could have returned. Is that a legit 4 was going to court, and there's always a chance 4 5 he could come back from court? So, see what 5 No. Not a WAG. 6 I'm sa in ? So, with this guy -- 6 : No? So, a WAB, they 7 : Yeah. 7 should have known he ain't coming back? 8 -- so this goes, so where 8 : Huh-uh. He's not coming back • 9 this fits in is, Epstein, did you know that 9 Yeah. 10 Epstein was required to have a cellmate? 10 : Okay. 11 I didn't know that, no. 11 WAG. 12 : Okay. So, he was 12 : Okay. 13 required to have a cellmate, and Reyes was his 13 : Unless we tell you something 14 cellmate. 14 different. But a WAB, he's not coming back. 15 Okay. 15 : Okay. So, it's the 16 : So, part of the reason 16 primary uestion then. 17 why they're saying that Epstein died is because 17 : Yes. 18 his cellmate was removed and never replaced. 18 : Great. So, again, to 19 So, you know, some people say it's because of 19 you, so, (Indiscernible *00:20:19), he was 20 the 30 minute rounds, or a lot of it is the 20 being transferred, not going to court. 21 combination, some people are saying, well, 21 : Not going to court. But I 22 there was no one in his cell, so he took 22 guess the Marshall just took court, because 23 advanta e of not having anybody in there. 23 when they come, if a WAB is leaving with the 24 : Okay. 24 Marshalls, they usually just put court, because 25 So, in this case, the SHU 25 they pick the inmates up -- 35 36 1 All the same -- 1 know he's transferring to another state. 2 everybody at the same time, 2 That's another state facility that houses 3 and take them over there, so that's why they 3 federal inmates for the Marshalls. And then 4 have court. 4 this one is the list that the Marshalls put 5 Okay. 5 out, also, so they kind of go hand-in-hand. 6 : On their form. 6 : How the pick-up itself is 7 : So, this is, anytime we 7 (Indiscernible *00:21:30). 8 present someone with documents, you just ask 8 : Yes, how the pick-up, yes. 9 them to initial and date it. 9 But everything is going to say court on the 10 Okay. 10 side, because the Marshalls are going to pick 11 : It's not to vouch for 11 up, when they pick up the court, they're 12 the, not certifying it's accurate, just so you 12 pickiiiiiiiiiiIWABs also. 13 can say, this is what we discussed. 13 : And on that court document, 14 : What I saw. Okay. 14 you might have answered this already, the court 15 So, just anywhere. And 15 document that's created internally, it would 16 it is the 4th. 16 have said WAB? 17 : So, the two emails, 17 : Yeah. Like, it's like almost, 18 technically, what you're saying, this goes 18 a recei t a transfer receipt that we do. 19 hand-in-hand, one says he's being transferred, 19 : Okay. 20 the other one states that he is being picked up 20 : And it will say WAB. It will 21 by the Marshalls (Indiscernible *00:21:09). 21 say, like, it will say his reg number, his 22 : Yeah. Yeah. They both go 22 name, and it will say his unit and it will say 23 hand-in-hand, because this one is the 23 pre-removed, so pre-removed, that means he's 24 Marshalls, that they're telling us, but they're 24 not comin back. You know what I mean? 25 telling us WAG, he's going to Geo. So, we'll 25 : And that's (Indiscernible EFTA00114751 37 38 1 *00:22:04). 1 : But we just want an example. 2 : Pre-removed. Yeah. He's not 2 : Now we have to sign. 3 coming back. So that's what would it be. It 3 : If you can provide us -- 4 wouldliiiiiiiiiemoved. 4 : Okay. 5 : Do you have a copy of an : I'll put that on here. 6 example of what that court document looks like? 6 : I'll put that, write that 7 No, ri ht? Is it ossible that we -- 7 down. Write down Marshalls, like a Marshalls 8 : The court list? 8 receipt. And I can give you a copy of it. 9 : The court list. Do we, if 9 I'll black, can I blacken out the inmate's 10 you can rovide us with one? 10 photos on there? 11 : We don't have, huh-uh. 11 : That's fine. 12 : No, not that one, but any 12 : Photos and the name, if 13 type of -- 13 you want. 14 : Which one? 14 : Okay. 15 : -- what it looks like? 15 : We just need to see -- 16 : Any samples? 16 : You just want to see -- 17 : Yeah. 17 : -- what it says next to 18 : I could -- 18 their names. 19 : Has it changed since that 19 : Yeah, their new one. 20 time, that document? 20 : (Indiscernible *00:23:03) 21 : Cause we do a, but, yeah, the 21 differentiate -- 22 Marshalls, now they got a picture on theirs, 22 : The ones that the Marshalls -- 23 the picture of the inmate and stuff like that. 23 : -- somebody is going to 24 And now we sign for it. I don't know if that's 24 court or someone is being transferred, you 25 because of Epstein. I don't know. 25 know. 39 40 1 Okay. 1 : Because that would be 2 : With that, just so we can 2 would, yeah, she would have did it, because she 3 say, like, cause, like you said, you don't have 3 would email to the unit team and to medical, 4 that court list anymore? 4 statin that she needs a medical summary form. 5 No. Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. 5 : Okay. So, and she would 6 : And are they maintained 6 have sent the court list? 7 for an amount of period of them? 7 : Yeah, she would have sent the, 8 We, no. Huh-uh. 8 like, not, see, he would, since he is WAB, it 9 : So that day, you get rid 9 would be a receipt that she would send out, 10 of them? 10 saying that she needed a medical summary and a 11 Uh-huh. Yeah. 11 64 for him. 12 : And there are never 12 Okay. Make sure you're 13 emailiiiiiiiiihing? 13 documiiiiiiiiiose, too. 14 : I don't know how far my emails 14 : Yeah, they wouldn't get the, 15 are going to go back. You see what I'm saying? 15 they wouldn't get the court list, like the unit 16 I don't think m emails go all the way back. 16 team that, his unit team and the medical 17 : Well, we have access to 17 department wouldn't get the court list. She 18 be able to et everybody's emails. 18 would do her own one and send it, saying that 19 : Okay. 19 they're leaving, those two are leaving and can 20 Cause we actually got 20 you please send me a medical summary and a 64? 21 those, some of these from -- 21 : But the actual court list 22 : So, you could probably look 22 wouldn't be emailed to anybody? 23 and see. 23 : Yeah. It probably would. I 24 But are they ever 24 don't know how the Marshall was doing it at 25 emailed? 25 that time. I think they were doing it just EFTA00114752 41 42 1 like that. But we don't email the Marshalls 1 Okay. So, it's never 2 court list to an body like that. 2 kept for an eriod of time, really? 3 : No, no, no. I mean, 3 : No. Huh-uh. 4 like, don't you create what you give to the 4 Printed out, given out -- 5 SHU, 5 : Given out. Yeah. Uh-huh. 6 : It's a roster. It's on a, 6 -- then (Indiscernible 7 when we o on Sentry, that's how it's created. 7 *00:25:10) shredded. 8 : But is it still on 8 : Yeah. 9 Sentr , that -- 9 Trashed? 10 : No. It gets deleted. 10 Uh-huh. 11 . Okay. 11 All right. So there's no 12 : Yeah. And we get a new, we do 12 way for us, whatever was created, saying what 13 a new one. 13 it said next to Efrain Reyes's name, whether it 14 Every day? 14 said WAB or not, there's to tell -- 15 : Yeah. And that's what 15 : I can ask l= to see -- 16 does. 16 Yeah, yeah. We're going 17 So, it's only kept for 17 to talk to her. 18 that one da 18 : Yeah. Talk to, and see if she 19 : Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. 19 has it. 20 . And there's no way to -- 20 : When she came in, just so 21 And it's not really even kept. 21 you know, she was great. She was very 22 Right. 22 cooperative. 23 : We just print it out. That's 23 Yeah. To see if -- 24 it. Like, we got, when we go in to do another 24 : But we didn't have these 25 one, we got to delete the old one. 25 documents (Indiscernible *00:25:29). 43 44 1 : Yeah, to see if she has it. 1 does say at 8:38, he was pre-removed. Now, the 2 If ya'll could go back in her email, I don't 2 other person we wanted to talk to you about is 3 know how, cause she's the movement person. 3 this I.M. Fernandez, and it says on dry cell 4 Right. 4 with staff watching, R&D. 5 So, to see how far she went 5 IM•don't-- 6 back. 6 : And then it says, "At 7 Yeah, if you could ask 7 3:15 p.m., on August 9, 2019, Fernandez was 8 her, I mean it might come, mean more from you. 8 placed on dry cell from ZA," which is the SHU. 9 : Okay. She won't be back until 9 Do you know anything about this? 10 tomorrow. 10 : NO. Huh-uh. 11 Right. And we're hoping 11 : No? 12 to be back here tomorrow. 12 : Huh-uh. 13 : Okay. She won't be back until 13 : Does that ever, does that 14 12 tomorrow. She comes in at 12. 14 happen often that people are placed in dry cell 15 Okay, perfect. Anything 15 and watched in R&D? 16 more on Re es before we move to Fernandez? 16 : In R&D? No, cause we don't 17 : No. 17 let them. Huh-uh. 18 Okay. Do you have any 18 You don't let them do 19 (Indiscernible *00:2S:56) any daily lieutenant 19 that? 20 logs? 20 We don't let them do it, no. 21 No. None. 21 : Do you know, do you 22 : None? All right. So, if 22 recall at all being that the Epstein 23 you see on this daily lieutenant log, just to 23 involvement on there, this was the Friday 24 close out the loop with Reyes, it does actually 24 before it someone being in R&D? 25 say, we don't know when it was entered, but it 25 : No, I don't recall at all. EFTA00114753 45 46 1 Huh-uh. 1 What you see here is the movements for 2 Would that be something 2 Fernandez. It shows that he was placed in, 3 that ,iro ld have known? 3 placed in Z, let's see -- 4 : You know (Indiscernible 4 : L5 cell. 5 *00:26:55) No. Huh-uh. 5 Yeah, I'm just trying to 6 No? 6 where does it say the SHU part? 7 : If they would have brought 7 : Z is SHU. 8 them in and send them in there with the staff, 8 Z is SHU? 9 probably, if they would have told me, I would 9 Uh-huh. 10 said, no. Take them back up to SHU and put 10 Okay. Placed in SHU on 11 them on a dry cell. 11 8/2/2019? 12 • Okay. 12 Okay. 13 : Cause we don't put them down 13 : And then it says that he 14 here, cause we're not watching them. 14 was removed and placed in, I guess, R&D. 15 So, if, so it says that 15 Yeah. RO1, yeah. I don't -- 16 he's with staff on R&D. 16 : In RO1. But he wasn't 17 : See, I don't even know what 17 keyed out until 8/10/2019, at 12:35 a.m. 18 staff they're talking about. Was he, was 18 I don't -- 19 another was a custody staff watching him? 19 : And then it says it was 20 • Yeah, that I'm not sure 20 corrected, cause he was never keyed out of the 21 of. 21 SHU and placed into R&D until the following 22 : Or was it R&D? You see what 22 mornin 23 I'm sa in ? 23 : Huh. 24 : So, what I was going to 24 Do you know who would be 25 ask, though, is so he was never keyed out. 25 responsible, if they are taking him from the 47 48 1 SHU and putting him in R&D, who would be 1 p.m. and the 10 p.m. and the 12 a.m. counts? 2 responsible for actually making that movement? 2 Cause I want to show her the count slips, so 3 : The lieutenant. 3 she can tell me who those people were that 4 : The lieutenant would be? 4 submitted count slips. 5 : Whatever lieutenant, either 5 : To show, I don't have 6 the SHU lieutenant or operations lieutenant. 6 (Indiscernible *00:29:03). 7 : Okay. So, if the SHU 7 : Yeah. Yeah. The other 8 lieutenant is actually off that day? 8 ones.,,vant to show her the names. 9 : 0 erations. 9 : You want the 5 p.m., 10 p.m., 10 : Operations lieutenant? 10 and 12? 11 : Uh-huh. 11 Nope. lust the 10 p.m. 12 : Okay. And not the SHU 12 and the 12. 13 staff? 13 I got the 10 p.m., and this 14 : No. They can't. Huh-uh. 14 is the 12. 15 They don't have authorization to do that. 15 Okay. So, this is 10 16 Okay. So it would have 16 p.m. 17 been the operations lieutenant that was 17 : 12 a.m. 18 responsible? 18 Here's the count slip we 19 : 0 erations lieutenant. Yes. 19 got from R&D, (Phonetic Sp. 20 : Okay. All right. So, 20 *00:29:28). Would that be Custody or one of 21 let's see. And the operations lieutenant at 21 your fi c, 22 that time, I think, so, this would have 22 .• No, that's 23 happened at 3:15s_t2as placed on that, that 23 Custois 24 would have been IIIIIII, cause he was 2 to 10. 24 That's a Custody person? 25 Do you want to quickly show, let me see the 10 25 : Yeah. That ain't us. Huh-uh. EFTA00114754 49 50 1 All right. Not an R&D 1 : Anybody, yeah. Uh-huh. 2 person? 2 : There you go. 3 Yeah. 3 : Yeah. We work from 6 to 2, 6 4 : Okay. R&D. 4 to 2, and we got two shifts from 12 to 8 and 5 : They just picked it up. I 5 then evening watch is 2 to 10. So we're not 6 think it was just in R&D. That's where the 6 even there after 10:00. 7 count was at, but that's not, wasn't in 7 : Okay. So, as far as 8 our, huh-uh. 8 you're concerned, though, if the SHU lieutenant 9 And what about, this one 9 is out, when that inmate was moved from the SHU 10 is the same. This was the 12 a.m. -- 10 to the R&D, placed on dry cell, the Ops 11 : Who is that? 11 lieutenant should have keyed -- 12 : It looks like a 12 : It should have been operations 13 and a ? (Phonetic Sp. *00:29:52) 13 or the activit lieutenant. 14 : Custody. 14 And not -- 15 : That was Custody? 15 I don't know which one. 16 : Yeah. Now, what time was 16 : What about Control? 17 that? 17 Could have Control done it? 18 19 20 6A minute -- : That one says 12:01 a.m. : We don't even work until, we 18 19 20 : No. Huh-uh. : No? : They, no, they don't have 21 work until 10 .m. 21 authorization to move an inmate. 22 : Would they be able to 22 Okay. So, just, okay. 23 have sta ed in there? 23 : Yeah. 24 : Yeah. 24 So the 0 s lieutenant. 25 By themselves? 25 And that would have been at 51 52 1 that time. Do you mind just initialing and 1 appointment as a reminder to attend the weekly 2 datin these -- 2 complex SHU meetings. This meeting is normally 3 : Yes. 3 scheduled for every Wednesday at 9 a.m. And 4 : -- to show what we talked 4 this one, it says it was from Tuesday, 5 about. (Indiscernible *00:31:04). 5 8/6/2019. 6 : Do you recall what time you 6 Uh-huh. 7 left tl as la? 7 : I know this was a long 8 : I don't even remember if I was 8 time ago, but do you remember at all, well, 9 here. If I was, I would have left by 2, 9 first of all, what were those SHU meetings 10 sometimes 2:30 or something like that. Yeah, I 10 about? 11 don't even recall if I was here that day. The 11 : They just go around about the 12 9th, ri ht? Yeah. 12 inmates. Like the inmates on Unit 10, up 13 : And then, thank you very 13 there, and the SHU inmates. They just go 14 much. Here you go, . The next thing 14 around where ever inmate that is in SHU. 15 would be, we have had to do pretty thorough 15 Okay. 16 email reviews and this is, where is it, 16 : Like, if they're on DS, if DS 17 something to do with you being involved with 17 is over or they're on FBI referrals and stuff 18 SHU something. 18 like that. That's all it's about. 19 : Oh, I had to go when I was at 19 : Okay. Did they talk at 20 the, to o to the SHU meeting. 20 all about, like, if the cameras weren't working 21 : That one? 21 or anIthin like that in the SHU? 22 : Yep. I don't know how 22 : No. Huh-uh. 23 you got my (Indiscernible *00:32:16) assigned 23 That wouldn't be 24 this, or we were going over it. Okay. So, 24 sometiiiiiiiiidiscussed? 25 this one, it says that, please accept this 25 : Huh-uh. No. EFTA00114755 53 54 1 Do you know anything 1 This is 10 South? 2 about the cameras not working in the SHU? 2 : Ten South. 3 : No. 3 : These are the doors to 10 4 : Or at the MCC at all? 4 South? 5 : No. 5 : That's the door, and that's 6 : August 9th? 6 the lieutenant, and I forget what that door, 7 : Huh-uh. 7 the lieutenant's door is right there. 8 : No? Okay. So, it would 8 : So, the lieutenant, is 9 be just talking about the inmates during this? 9 that, like, the SHU lieutenant? 10 : Yes. That's all they talk 10 : SHU lieutenants. Uh-huh. 11 about the inmates yes. 11 : Okay. 12 : All right. 12 : Uh-huh. 13 : Was there any specific 13 : So, the SHU lieutenant 14 discussions about Epstein? 14 actuaiiiiiiiiiright outside 10 South? 15 You know, I don't remember. 15 : Half the time, he or she is 16 : Anything that stands out, 16 not even in their office. They're running 17 like they might have mentioned, hey, he's on 17 around SHU. 18 Special Watch or anything like that? 18 Okay. So, like, the 19 : No. Huh-uh. 19 officer's station is right here? 20 : Are you familiar with the 20 Yes. Uh-huh. 21 SHU? 21 : And this is the SHU 22 : Yes. 22 lieutenant's office? 23 : Do you know what this is 23 : SHU lieutenant, and that's 24 a picture of? 24 Unit 10. 25 : That's 10. This would be 10. 25 So, that's news to me. 55 56 1 All right. Do you mind, I'll just do it for 1 don't know :which one that is. 2 you. 2 : That's fine, cause here's 3 Oh, you know that? 3 the, according to this, it looks like it would 4 : I knew, I knew the rest. 4 be, this would be J tier and that would be L 5 I just didn't know that this was the SHU LT. 5 tier, but if you don't know off the top of your 6 : Yeah, the SHU lieutenant, 6 head, that's fine. 7 cause you come up the steps, right here. And 7 : Okay. I don't know. You know 8 this is the SHU lieutenant, and then it's Unit 8 what? Yeah. It's probably 3, and it's H or 9 ri ht there. 9 something down below. And then there's G tier 10 10 And this is the emergency 10 over here, going up the steps, going towards 11 exit? 11 Unit 10. Cause I don't really -- 12 Yes. Uh-huh. 12 Yeah. Well, this is 13 : And is this the, what is 13 that. 14 this? 14 Okay. 15 : The station, officer's 15 : For our purposes, that's 16 station. 16 the big thing you provided to us, was that 17 Officer's station? 17 that's the SHU lieutenant. 18 : Yes. 18 Okay. 19 : So, I'm just going to say 19 : And were you familiar 20 OS for this. Do you happen to know what that 20 with ifie. What cell he was housed in? 21 goes to? 21 : They told me afterwards, that 22 : What tier is that? Is that, 22 that was his cell -- 23 no -- 23 Not during that time? 24 25 r To the left? I think L, is it L? I 24 25 IM -- but not during the, huh-uh. : Okay. EFTA00114756 57 58 1 : No. 1 in here. They just called everybody in. I 2 : That's fine. 2 just heard that he committed suicide and that's 3 : Huh-uh. 3 it, and they just wanted all the staff to come 4 : Do you mind just 4 in. 5 initialing and dating that? Thank you very 5 : Okay. Was there any talk 6 much. 6 at that time about Reyes or any of that stuff, 7 : You're welcome. 7 about his cellmate being removed? 8 : Here you go. Why did I 8 : No. Huh-uh. 9 print this one out? Oh, this one just showed 9 : Nobody talked about that? 10 that you actually worked on August 10, 2019. I 10 No. 11 guess ou ut in for overtime. 11 : Did you learn anything 12 : Yeah, I do -- 12 about that after the fact? 13 . For the emergency? 13 After. 14 Uh-huh. 14 : What did you learn? 15 Did you learn anything 15 : I just learned that they said 16 during that time, when you were working, about 16 Reyes was his roommate. I didn't even know he 17 Epstein and his death? 17 was. 18 : No, not really. I really 18 Okay. 19 didn't, they told, they called me in. I really 19 : Yeah. At the time. 20 didn't want to come in. So, you know. 20 : Was there any talk about, 21 : On Saturday? Why 21 like, he left, unbeknownst to the SHU staff or 22 wouldiiiiiiiii 22 anything like that, or any talk about how it 23 : I really, no, I really didn't 23 happened -- 24 want to come in. They called every, they 24 No. Huh-uh. 25 called everybody in. I didn't want to come up 25 : -- or where he went? 59 60 1 No. Huh-uh. 1 later that he was his Bunkie. 2 : Cause when you came in, 2 : Okay. And did they ever 3 you first said, yeah, he went to court. Was 3 question R&D about, hey, is this, did he really 4 that iiiiiiiiirstanding, he went to court? 4 go to court or not? 5 : Yeah. That's what I was, 5 No. Huh-uh. 6 yeah, that's my understanding, until you showed 6 : No one has ever spoken to 7 me the thin . 7 anyboiiiiiiiii 8 : So was that the first 8 : They never said nothing to us 9 time ou're seeing -- 9 about an thin . 10 : Cause I wouldn't remember -- 10 : Okay. And here we come. 11 -- that he actually 11 So, let's, filling in some blanks. Thank you. 12 wasn't in court, and he was transferred? 12 So nothing special from that day that you can 13 : I probably seen it two years 13 think of? 14 ago, but I just didn't remember until you 14 : No. Huh-uh. No. That I just 15 showed me, but I knew he went to court. They 15 didn't want to come in. 16 said he went to court, but nobody ever said 16 . Do you know of anything 17 WAB, you know what I mean? 17 about, like, records being destroyed during 18 . Right, right, right. 18 that time or anybody recovering anything? 19 : So, until you showed me. 19 : No. No. Huh-uh. Nothing. 20 So, you thought he went 20 21 to court? 21 : Do you remember where it, 22 I thought he went to court. 22 what ot s. lidwhen you came in on that Saturday? 23 : And (Indiscernible 23 : They just was, I know they 24 24 wanted his records. Like, the, like, I forget 25 *00:3iiiiiilll: Yeah, but then I found out 25 what they wanted, to make copies and everything EFTA00114757 61 62 1 of stuff, of his file. That's what they 1 : No. 2 wanted. Copies of his file and stuff like 2 : Were you in the SHU at 3 that. And they was asking us where his file 3 all at that time? 4 was. 4 : No. 5 : Which file was that? 5 : No? Okay. What about on 6 : And stuff, Epstein's file. 6 the 9th? Were you in the SHU at all? 7 : Yeah, what type of a 7 : No. 8 file? 8 : Okay. 9 : It's just a regular generated 9 : Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. Cause I 10 R&O file. It just has his remand in there. 10 don't think they would let us up there. I 11 You probably already have a copy of it. His 11 wouldn't have went anyhow. 12 remand, and fingerprint card has pictures in 12 That's not important. 13 there, and stuff like that. That's all it is. 13 This one was an email we got. It said, please 14 : But nothing to do with 14 join Human Resources Executive Staff in 15 the file that was actually in the SHU for, 15 congratulating (Phonetic Sp. 16 like, his feeding and his (Indiscernible 16 *00:38:40) Utilities Program Manager on his 17 *00:38:11) or anything like that? 17 selection to General Foreman here at the MCC 18 : No. No. We don't get any of 18 New York. This was on Monday, August 5, 2019. 19 that. 19 Do you know if he started that date, or if that 20 : Okay. 20 was just saying he was selected for it, and 21 : Huh-uh. 21 startiiiiiiiillater date? 22 : Do you know anything 22 : Usually, it's just, he is 23 about that being destroyed or anything? 23 selected for that date. He is selected. They 24 : No. 24 just ut out that he is selected. That's it. 25 : No? 25 : But he wasn't actually 63 64 1 the General Foreman yet? 1 then it says, "On 08-18-2019, called Officer 2 : I don't think he was. I don't 2 Thomas at 1 p.m., no answer. Left a message. 3 think I wouldn't know. 3 On 08-18-2019, called Officer Noel at 1:03 4 : Okay. 4 p.m., the phone went to voicemail, left a 5 : But usually, they do put out 5 messaiiiiiiiiithat what part of your duties -- 6 emails, saying congratulations, but you don't 6 : Duty Officer. I was the Duty 7 start on that da . 7 Officer for that week. 8 Perfect. 8 And what does that mean? 9 Huh-uh. 9 : Duty Officer is, like, when 10 : Thank you. And this is 10 the Warden and everybody is not here, I, and 11 one that was from ou sent on Suniiiiiiigust 11 afterhours, anything that happens, they report 12 10, 2019 to . Who is 12 to me as the Dut Officer. 13 : He's Executive Assistant. 13 You're, like, the Warden? 14 This is his office. 14 S: Almost. Yeah, almost, 15 : Okay. 15 afterhours, but I still got to report 16 : Uh-huh. Uh-huh. 16 everything to the, who is the ID that is 17 : It says, "Wellness 17 underneath me, and that would be one of the 18 Checks." 18 AW's, and then the report to the Warden. 19 : Yes. 19 20 : It says, "Good afternoon. 20 : So, alig, he is over the 21 On 08-17-2019, called Officer Thomas -- 21 Duty Officer, so he asked me and I guess other 22 : Yes. 22 people that was the Duty Officer to call and do 23 : -- at 2 p.m. No answer. 23 a Wellness Check on them. 24 Left a message. On 08-17, called Officer Noel 24 Did you ever speak with 25 at 2:02 p.m. No answer. Left a message." And 25 them? EFTA00114758 65 66 1 : Nope. 1 : Yeah. 2 : No? 2 : It does? 3 : Huh-uh. 3 : Yeah. Cause that's 4 : So, just called. Never 4 Corrections 101. You're supposed to do your 5 got to -- 5 rounds. 6 lust called. Never. Huh-uh. 6 : Okay. But does, had you 7 : Okay. So, did you ever 7 heard of anybody not doing it prior to that 8 speak to them about this matter, ever? 8 time? 9 : No. Never. 9 : No. Huh-uh. 10 : Neither Thomas nor Noel? 10 : No? Okay. Do you have 11 : No. Huh-uh. 11 any reason to believe that they did or did not 12 : Okay. Have you seen 12 do rounds or counts? 13 them? 13 : I wouldn't know, cause I 14 No. 14 wasn't there. 15 : Okay. Any, do you know 15 : Sure. 16 anything about the matter with regards to 16 : So I wouldn't know. 17 Thomas and Noel? 17 : And this is just a simple 18 : I just know that they was up 18 question, because in looking through, and this 19 in SHU at the time when Epstein, and everything 19 isn't any kind of, anything other than just a 20 happened with E stein. That's all I know. 20 question, in looking through your emails, you 21 : Okay. Did you hear 21 had a lot of emails from the 8th and then a lot 22 anything about, like, not doing counts or 22 of emails after the 15th. 23 rounds or an thing like that? 23 : Uh-huh. 24 25 S IM Yeah, I heard that. : Does that surprise you? 67 24 25 : And only one on the 9th and nothing surrounding that. By any chance, 68 1 did you receive anything that would have been 1 you would be involved in, so I just, we have 2 related to E stein or Reyes and delete it? 2 to, I fi ured I would ask. 3 : No. Huh-uh. 3 Nothing. Nothing. 4 . No? Okay. 4 : Probably always the 5 : Huh-uh. 5 ability to do that, but if you're telling us 6 . So, it would have just 6 that the hot list is in there, I don't know 7 been potentially a light, this is from your 7 that there would be a reason. So, it's the 8 inbox otentially a light, light day? 8 primary, you said the hot list is, not the hot 9 : Probably a light day. Uh-huh. 9 list, I'm sorry. The court list. 10 • Okay. 10 : The roster, yeah, the court 11 Yep. 11 list. 12 : But never, you don't 12 All right. Now, I'm just 13 remember ever receiving anything or sending 13 going to go over these broad topics. It sounds 14 anythiiiiiiiiiding -- 14 like you're probably not going to have much 15 : No, that I, no, I don't 15 information on it -- 16 remember. Huh-uh. 16 Okay. 17 : -- Epstein or Reyes? 17 -- but just to make sure 18 : No. Huh-uh. 18 we're coverin and checking off all our boxes. 19 : Okay. 19 : Okay. 20 : If ya'll find something, ya'll 20 And some of this might be 21 can remind me. I don't -- 21 a little bit repetitive. What do you know of 22 : No, no, no, no. There's, 22 Epstein's alleged first suicide attempt on July 23 we haven't done a deep dive. 23 23, 2019? 24 : Yeah, I don't -- 24 I don't know anything. 25 : I just, I don't know what 25 : No? Did you know that he EFTA00114759 69 70 1 attemiiiiiiiliommit suicide? 1 about potentially anyone, the Judge calling the 2 : No. I found out afterwards, 2 Warden and asking him to be removed from 3 after the second one. 3 psychological observation or suicide watch so 4 Okay. 4 that he could continue with his attorney 5 : Yeah. 5 visits? 6 : And you found out that he 6 No. 7 had attempted suicide (Indiscernible 7 : No? What do you know 8 *00:43:05 8 about falsified counts being conducted in the 9 : Yeah, prior. Yes. Uh-huh. 9 SHU oiliiiiiii9th and 10th of 2019? 10 • Do you know if, like, he 10 : I don't know anything about 11 attempted to commit suicide or did you hear 11 that. Ilust heard about it. 12 anything about, maybe, his cellmate had tried 12 : Okay. Are you aware of 13 to harm him? 13 rounds not being conducted and being falsified 14 : No. I just heard that he 14 on August 9th and August 10th of 2019? 15 attem ted suicide. 15 : I just heard about it. 16 : Okay. Do you know if he 16 You heard about it? 17 was placed on suicide watch? 17 : Uh-huh. 18 : No. I wouldn't know that. I 18 But no firsthand 19 don't know that. 19 knowled 20 : Okay. So, do you know 20 Huh-uh. 21 anything about him being prematurely removed 21 And when you say you 22 from suicide watch or psychological 22 heard about both of those, who did you hear 23 supervision? 23 about it from? 24 No. I don't know. Huh-uh. 24 : Everybody talking around the 25 : Do you know anything 25 jail. 71 72 1 But not like someone with 1 And who would have worked 2 specific information? 2 for the Com Tech? 3 No. Huh-uh. 3 : They do the cameras and stuff 4 : Okay. Are you aware if 4 like that. What's his name? One is , but 5 the MCC and SHU cameras were working on August 5 I don't know if he was working in Com Tech at 6 9th and 10th of 2019? 6 the time. And the other one is 7 : No, I'm not aware if they were 7 Okay. So. 8 workin or wasn't working. 8 : So, I don't know, I don't know 9 : Have you heard any rumors 9 if they got access to remove stuff. I don't, I 10 about that? 10 don't know. 11 12 13 No. Huh-uh. : No? Is this the first you're hearing about anything to do with the 11 12 ... Okay. just know they deal with the 13 telephones and stuff like that. 14 cameras? 14 : Okay. is the other 15 : Yeah. I thought, I didn't 15 person? 16 even know they had cameras. I don't normally 16 : Yeah. 17 pay attention. 17 : 11111111? 18 Do you know who had 18 : And I don't know if it's Com 19 access to cameras and could have intentionally 19 Tech, if it's Computer Services. Is it on the 20 taken them offline? 20 computer or is the cameras? 21 No. Huh-uh. 21 : I'm speaking about the 22 : No? Do you know who 22 cameras. 23 would be responsible for the camera system 23 Cameras? Yeah. It's 24 here,•iih? 24 and . The 're Com Techs. 25 : I know it's the Com Tech. 25 : But you're not sure if EFTA00114760 73 74 1 actuall 1 about someone else taking Epstein's life? 2 I don't, yeah, I don't, I'm 2 Nothing. 3 not sure if actually worked in Com Tech 3 : What do you know about 4 at the time. 4 others assisting with taking Epstein's life? 5 Okay. Do you know if 5 Nothing. 6 Epstein was in his assigned cell on August 10, 6 : Did Epstein take his own 7 2019? 7 life? 8 No, I wouldn't know. 8 I don't know. 9 : Any rumors about that, 9 : Did Epstein act alone in 10 either? 10 takin his own life? 11 No. Huh-uh. 11 : I don't know. 12 : Do you know if cell 12 : Did you have any 13 searches were being conducted in the SHU in 13 involvement with Epstein's death? 14 July and Au ust of 2019? 14 No. 15 : No. I wouldn't know. 15 : What would have prevented 16 Any rumors or anything? 16 Epstein's death? 17 17 I don't know. 18 Do you have any knowledge 18 : Or what actions should 19 of Epstein placing a telephone call in the SHU 19 have been taken to prevent his death? 20 on August 9, 2019? 20 I don't know. 21 22 23 24 IMMI either? No. : No? Rumors about that, 22 No. Huh-uh. 21 23 24 : What are some of the systematic problems inside the MCC, and specifically, the SHU that allowed for Epstein to die? 25 : And what do you know 25 : They need more training. 75 76 1 : More training? 1 That's it. 2 : Yeah. 2 : Anything else? 3 : Training on what? 3 : Anything else we're 4 : On just, just working SHU, 4 missing? Anything to do with the Epstein thing 5 cause we of a lot of new staff here. 5 that mi ht help us, like, whoo? 6 At the time, too? 6 : No. No, I don't know 7 : I think so. And we was, we 7 anythin . You're funny. 8 didn't have staff either. 8 : Okay. What is this, for 9 Uh-huh. 9 the -- 10 : And stuff like that, but a lot 10 : The list that she, documents 11 of staff need training, cause a lot of people 11 she 12 don't know how to work SHU. So they need more 12 So, this is, 13 trainiiIIIIIIIIIII 13 put to ether a list that if you're able to -- 14 : Okay. More training on 14 : Okay. 15 how, that they need to be conducting rounds and 15 -- follow-up with any of 16 counts? 16 this, that would be great. 17 : Conducting rounds and just how 17 I will. 18 to interact with the inmates up there. 18 : I appreciate it. 19 Okay. So training. 19 : Okay. 20 : Uh-huh. 20 : I will give you my email, 21 : Assuming training and 21 so that ou can 22 staffilm ir 22 : Okay. 23 Yes. 23 -- email to me if you're 24 : Anything else you want to 24 able. So, it's a long last name, but that's -- 25 add? 25 : Okay. You want 8/19, that's EFTA00114761 77 78 1 all right. You want 8/19, 8/9 and 8/10, 1 : Oh. 2 example of the Marshall's receipt, example of 2 : Yeah. 3 internal court list. Okay. 3 : It's just that, no, but 4 : Awesome. Thank you so 4 you would pronounce it the same, wouldn't you? 5 much. 5 : Yes. Uh-huh. Sentry. 6 : You spell Sentry like Century 6 : Yeah. Yeah. It's just, 7 21. 7 it's lust an S instead of a C. 8 : It's S-E-N-T-R-Y. 8 : Okay. 9 : It's S-E-N-T-R -- 9 : So now you know. So, if 10 : Oh, Sentry? 10 you're ever reaching out to the BOP, it's an S. 11 : Yeah. 11 : S. Which I should have known 12 : Yeah, S-E-N. 12 by now. 13 : Oh. I heard Century, and I 13 : But anything else before 14 wrote Centur . 14 I turn off the recorder? 15 : No. It's Sentry. 15 : No. That's it. Nice meeting 16 : No. 16 ya'11. 17 : Sentry? 17 : All right. It is 18 : Yeah, so you know, BOP, 18 Wednesday, August 4, 2021. The time is 2:10 19 Sentriiiiiiiiiian S. 19 '.m. This is Senior Special Agent 20 : I swear I heard Century. I 20 and I'm stopping the recorder. 21 was like -- 21 22 : That's all right. 22 23 : No, no, no. It's 23 24 pronounced the same. It's just -- 24 25 : It's probably . 25 79 CERTIFICATE I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of Marcella Conley, Transcriber EFTA00114762